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  • Originally posted by Karen Hecker View Post
    Most detailed article I’ve seen yet on what fiancé said and what police saw on arrival. https://www.northjersey.com/story/ne...it/1968420001/

    also for those speculating on whose gun it might be, note that he is charged with possession of a weapon for an unlawful purpose. It seems unlikely the police would charge him with that crime if he simply took possession of her gun as he wrestled it from her and then shot her with it. He is also charged with attempting to murder two people so the fiancé appears to have been also in the line of fire. https://prosecutor.morriscountynj.go...gton-township/
    Again, the weapons charge could be related to another weapon on the premises recovered during a search. It's not unheard of for some to have both legal and illegal weapons. Prosecutors often file othee, lower charges. It's helpful for if they can't prove the big charge the bad guy does at least some time.
    http://weanieeventer.blogspot.com/

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    • Common sense would also tell you that a woman who is so afraid of her landlord that she feels a need to carry a gun to protect herself from him wouldn’t publicly post inflammatory stuff about him on social media, either, but ...

      Basically, none of this makes sense.

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      • Considering the amount of news coverage this story has already received, and the colorful backstory, it will probably be a race to see where it appears first on TV. Will it be on one of the reality crime TV shows, or a fictionalized version on a Law and Order type show? Maybe both.

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        • L&O makes sense, cause it's NJ and a lot of the scenarios are pulled from NY region cases. A reality crime piece would likely happen too, though probably not for several years.
          Thus do we growl that our big toes have, at this moment, been thrown up from below!

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          • If she was that afraid of him, and he was evicting her anyway -- why not just leave? End of story. No drama. Evidently she had the $$ to do whatever she pleased. Seems she's had a history of making poor decisions, though.

            Sticky Situation is right -- none of it makes sense. Now I'll just wait and see how it all shakes out.

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            • I believe that law enforcement can charge you with weapons possession if you fire a gun under circumstances that are considered a crime - I don’ t think it matters if you OWN the gun, just that it was in your possession and you fired it.

              MB being charged for weapon possession does not answer the question of who owned the gun or whether it was “legal” or not.

              And given LK’s checkered past with assault charges, etc. I really doubt that, if the gun was hers, that it would be a legal possession in NJ where gun laws are pretty strict. If the gun is hers she may have some serious charges herself down the road.

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              • Would not surprise me if the Jerry Springer Show producers are eyeing up the horse world for a series of shows. Will be a ratings blockbuster!

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                • Originally posted by LexInVA View Post
                  L&O makes sense, cause it's NJ and a lot of the scenarios are pulled from NY region cases.
                  I agree, although I’ve lost track of which versions are still on the air. I only watched the original series. They did do an episode on horse insurance many years ago, and they actually went to a barn for scenes of the actors interacting with horses, although I don’t know where that barn was located. I seem to recall the horse in question was named Mr. Whickers. Or something along those lines.

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                  • Originally posted by pds View Post
                    Would not surprise me if the Jerry Springer Show producers are eyeing up the horse world for a series of shows. Will be a ratings blockbuster!
                    Like Shark Week!

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                    • Or Columbo. He could solve this!

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                      • https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/09/n...imes&smtyp=cur
                        The shooting at a riding stable in New Jersey, and the arrest of an Olympics trainer, stunned the rarefied world of dressage.

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                        • Has anyone ever had a friend who is a battered individual? I have. What they do makes no sense. Perhaps it’s grooming, depression, who knows - the mental abuse does unexplainable things. Multiple broken bones in the hospital bed for days. Still moves back in a week later. Still asks for help, still gets beat up. For whatever reason they don’t just leave. It’s easy for us to say what the heck, to discredit women when it doesn’t make sense in our minds - but we are not the victims. We don’t struggle with their demons. Logic does not apply. Even if she is a horrible person, quite frankly, it does not matter. You do not shoot people. It takes two to tango - or three - and a reasonable adult would walk away. Barisone sure didn’t.

                          Gosh we love to victim blame.

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                          • Originally posted by MHM View Post

                            I agree, although I’ve lost track of which versions are still on the air. I only watched the original series. They did do an episode on horse insurance many years ago, and they actually went to a barn for scenes of the actors interacting with horses, although I don’t know where that barn was located. I seem to recall the horse in question was named Mr. Whickers. Or something along those lines.
                            SVU is all that's left, though True Crime is always a possibility, if they can find enough drama llama juice to turn into a season long-script. If it turns out that Lauren and her fiance were doing something criminal and using the business as a cover for something illegal and profitable, they could change the deets to have the character based on Lauren be underage (SVU qualification), turn the fiance into boyfriend, and use a seduction and blackmail angle that results in the shooting and eventual discovery of all the mess. That's classic SVU right there.
                            Thus do we growl that our big toes have, at this moment, been thrown up from below!

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                            • Originally posted by enjoytheride View Post

                              Again, the weapons charge could be related to another weapon on the premises recovered during a search. It's not unheard of for some to have both legal and illegal weapons. Prosecutors often file othee, lower charges. It's helpful for if they can't prove the big charge the bad guy does at least some time.
                              Since they have 5 years to file felony charges, why not wait until they have all the evidence they need to prove the “big charge” rather than charge him with the little charge less than 24 hours later? There is no evidence to indicate there was more than one gun recovered from the crime scene. If you are going to make stuff up, then why not speculate that there were drugs recovered, and being under the influence would at least explain some aspects of the situation. Maybe the drugs were in Lauren’s purse and she has not sufficiently recovered enough for the police to talkTo her about them.
                              "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in a confederacy against him."

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                              • Originally posted by Palm Beach View Post

                                Since they have 5 years to file felony charges, why not wait until they have all the evidence they need to prove the “big charge” rather than charge him with the little charge less than 24 hours later? There is no evidence to indicate there was more than one gun recovered from the crime scene. If you are going to make stuff up, then why not speculate that there were drugs recovered, and being under the influence would at least explain some aspects of the situation. Maybe the drugs were in Lauren’s purse and she has not sufficiently recovered enough for the police to talkTo her about them.
                                I'm not making anything up. You have access to the same info everyone else has, there is no evidence to indicate that has been released to the public that there was one weapon or multiple weapons recovered. He could also be charged with possession for taking and using Laurens weapon. The police have never said who the pink gun belonged to.

                                this is a high profile case. A prosecutor wants to levy charges swiftly, and charges can be added or dropped.
                                http://weanieeventer.blogspot.com/

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                                • Originally posted by goodmorning View Post
                                  Has anyone ever had a friend who is a battered individual? I have. What they do makes no sense. Perhaps it’s grooming, depression, who knows - the mental abuse does unexplainable things. Multiple broken bones in the hospital bed for days. Still moves back in a week later. Still asks for help, still gets beat up. For whatever reason they don’t just leave. It’s easy for us to say what the heck, to discredit women when it doesn’t make sense in our minds - but we are not the victims. We don’t struggle with their demons. Logic does not apply. Even if she is a horrible person, quite frankly, it does not matter. You do not shoot people. It takes two to tango - or three - and a reasonable adult would walk away. Barisone sure didn’t.

                                  Gosh we love to victim blame.
                                  Good post and information. Yes sometimes these women come from that background- battered women or also may

                                  be Adult Children of Alcoholics and their comfort zone is "Chaos". they're not happy when things go smoothly and what

                                  we call normal. So they create chaos and upset.

                                  I too am amazed at all the thinly veiled excuses for the famed trainer. Wish we could talk to his ex-wife- maybe he has

                                  a few skeletons in his tack room closet. Maybe he does have violence or dominance or misogyny in his background.

                                  We just don't know, do we? But what we do know is Law Enforcement believe he tried to kill two people- Fact.
                                  "There is no fundamental difference between man and animals in their ability to feel pleasure and pain, happiness, and misery." - Charles Darwin

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                                  • Originally posted by Palm Beach View Post
                                    The gun was not purchased legally By Barisone.
                                    Was it purchased legally by LK ?

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                                    • I haven’t seen anyone on this board making excuses for MB’s behavior on account of his status as a big name dressage trainer.

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                                      • Originally posted by Marla 100 View Post

                                        Good post and information. Yes sometimes these women come from that background- battered women or also may

                                        be Adult Children of Alcoholics and their comfort zone is "Chaos". they're not happy when things go smoothly and what

                                        we call normal. So they create chaos and upset.

                                        I too am amazed at all the thinly veiled excuses for the famed trainer. Wish we could talk to his ex-wife- maybe he has

                                        a few skeletons in his tack room closet. Maybe he does have violence or dominance or misogyny in his background.

                                        We just don't know, do we? But what we do know is Law Enforcement believe he tried to kill two people- Fact.
                                        You are absolutely correct - we DON’T know; we are speculating, trying to apply “logic” based only on what we DO know and following those “paths” to an explanation of what happened. But we certainly don’t know what actually transpired, or WHY.

                                        What we do know however, is the past history (or at least parts of it) of both parties plus the fiancé. In two of those cases (LK and her fiancé) the past is far from squeeky clean. And like it or not, your past does follow you and “color” your character. Also, past behaviors are seen as possible predictable hints of present or future behaviors. Thus seeing LK as not the totally innocent victim here is understandable.

                                        MB may well have his own skeletons but at this point we just don’t know. So at least at this point, the scales may seem more weighted in his favor over hers. Only time and forensic information will tell.

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                                        • Originally posted by Claddagh View Post

                                          You are absolutely correct - we DON’T know; we are speculating, trying to apply “logic” based only on what we DO know and following those “paths” to an explanation of what happened. But we certainly don’t know what actually transpired, or WHY.

                                          What we do know however, is the past history (or at least parts of it) of both parties plus the fiancé. In two of those cases (LK and her fiancé) the past is far from squeeky clean. And like it or not, your past does follow you and “color” your character. Also, past behaviors are seen as possible predictable hints of present or future behaviors. Thus seeing LK as not the totally innocent victim here is understandable.

                                          MB may well have his own skeletons but at this point we just don’t know. So at least at this point, the scales may seem more weighted in his favor over hers. Only time and forensic information will tell.
                                          I would say that if one person has no criminal record to speak of, and the other two people have extensive criminal records, it’s no surprise if that raises questions for many people. Regardless of anyone’s occupation, whether that’s dressage trainer or auto mechanic.

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