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  • Originally posted by Angela Freda View Post
    So a danger to the kids who resided on the property, not to mention the other adults, ie those working there?
    And perhaps the horses and barn cats?
    Dog was not allowed up at the barn, kids were warned away from the dog. Dog was supposed to be chained up if not inside.

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    • Originally posted by sid View Post

      Excellent post. I too wound up in a situation with a live-on horse caretaker (who brought horses of her own) and it took me quite awhile to realize what I was dealing with. It took me some time when things didn't seem quite right that I did a search on her.

      (snip)

      She was very attractive, cute and bubbly personality ...SO engaging. These folks are smart and know how to game anyone. I was totally duped, and having run corp business for years at the top hiring and firing many over 45 years, I just didn't fall off the turnip truck. These people are clever and engaging beyond belief.
      A friend had a similar experience with a woman who used to post on this board (under her real name). The woman made a chunk of change bs'ing the naïve and old pros alike. But hey, they were adults and she provided contracts and as far as I know, breeding certificates. Used the money to party, party, party. Got PG, moved into a friend's barn apartment and used the sob story, and good nature of my friend, as excuses to never ONCE pay rent. It took ages to get evict. Still mooching off her parents as far as I know. Kid is happy and safe, thank heavens.

      I feel many trainers would fall for LK's charms and swoop her up in a minute, especially with this thread's current pile-on in mind (along with the all-mighty lure of perceived wealth). Some of these posts are as bullying as those of SW, so much so that I feel they are cultivating sympathy for her. Difficult to imagine, I know, but I can see things moving that way.

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      • LK would have us believe her surgeons were surprised to not find a 3rd “bullet casing” in her chest.

        Once again, for someone who brags about how she owns multiple guns and isn’t afraid to use them ... she hasn’t the slightest clue what she’s talking about.

        And as to telling the Federation ... is she expecting them to send Captain Kirk out to take care of MB once and for all? Or she thinks that the USDF is going to come to the rescue and kick out MH so that LK can have the tiara and her rightful place on the Olympic team? I’m so confused.

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        • Originally posted by Scribbler View Post

          Except for targetted gangland killings (the major form of gun violence in my area), my guess is that very few people "intend" to shoot to kill when they take a gun to a dispute. On the other hand a gun is only scary if the possibility exists that you might use it. So there's a bit of cognitive dissonance involved in taking a gun out to threaten someone. Nevertheless I think most people who brandish one don't actually plan to use it until it suddenly seems like a good idea to pull the trigger. How you prove this one way or the other is beyond me.

          Where I live I think that if you downgraded attempted murder it would then be some version of assault with a deadly weapon or causing bodily harm (wording differs from place to place). And I think that the effect on the victim would play a role in the eventual sentencing because there is a wide range of sentences depending on weapon and injuries, etc. If it's a cranberry juice bottle in a bar catfight, no jail time.

          When you have a seriously injured victim as here, it does make sense for authorities to wait and see if the victim dies, and then if the victim has sustained life changing injuries, none of which would be clear at the time of arrest.
          ​​​​​​
          From what I've read here, MB was arrested and charged and jailed under the no bail system but the prosecutor then has 90 days to arraign him and present the actual charges for the trial.

          I've known people to have operations on the torso, and no one was fully recovered in 4 weeks. Or in 8. My guess is there's a lot of bluffing going on in LK's selfies and that her recovery time will be longer than she claims. It's also very possible that she's on opiate painkillers that are not a good match for her general dissociation from reality. I expect that IRL she is still mostly housebound. 40 year old women don't recover that fast.

          Most victims of violent crime don't downplay their injuries. If anything they exaggerate a little with an eye to their victim witness statement and a potential civil suite.

          As far as the horses, the only scenario I can think of that makes sense is that a responsible adult (family or family employee, lawyer etc) has organized disappearing them right out of state to some facility where LK is not welcome and can't visit because it's too far away, and she may not know the exact location.
          Surgeons are pretty stingy with opiates these days. Mr P had triple bypass March 29 and did not leave the hospital with a prescription for opiates. While he didn't sustain broken ribs the surgery does involve splitting the sternum and coughing or laughing did indeed hurt. I think the worst however was the boredom and exercise intolerance caused by the transfusions. That took about 3 or 4 weeks to clear up. He had a 10 lb. weight limit, was back at work in 6 to 8 weeks and playing golf within 3 months. He was in the hospital 5 days post surgery

          I would expect the lung damage would lengthen her healing process but he is 72 and she is 38.
          Last edited by carolprudm; Sep. 23, 2019, 07:21 PM.
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          • Originally posted by tryintogethere View Post

            Dog was not allowed up at the barn, kids were warned away from the dog. Dog was supposed to be chained up if not inside.
            so the dog was a known [because clearly precautions were taken] danger to the kids and others.
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            • Regardless of all the theories thrown about here, whatever happened, in order for a murder charge to stick, the prosecution has to be able to prove that MB took the gun with him with the intent to murder LK and the BF. I think that's going to be pretty difficult to do, what with the dog and the boyfriend not being a small dude himself, and the general craziness going on.

              Plus, it was not his gun, it was a 9mm with a target load, full metal jacket bullets, the kind of thing you might use on a groundhog, but not a particularly fatal weapon to use on a human being (hence her speedy recovery). You can bet if those bullets had mushroomed, she would not have been taking selfies 3 weeks later.

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              • Originally posted by Scribbler View Post

                As far as the horses, the only scenario I can think of that makes sense is that a responsible adult (family or family employee, lawyer etc) has organized disappearing them right out of state to some facility where LK is not welcome and can't visit because it's too far away, and she may not know the exact location.
                Yes, and if she leaves to go see them, she might be dispossessed of the property she's squatting on.

                Does she or family have a place in florida, where the horses might have been taken? She has winter florida movments she usually makes?

                Airborne? Oh. Yes, he can take a joke. Once. After that, the joke's on you.

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                • Originally posted by carolprudm View Post

                  Surgeons are pretty stingy with opiates these days. Mr P had triple bypass March 29 and did not leave the hospital with a prescription for opiates.
                  I would say this totally depends on the individual hospital/surgeon. I had out patient surgery on my finger and got a prescription for 20 Tylenol with codeine. Took one the first night but probably didn’t need it. Only took Advil once or twice. I was truly shocked they gave me a prescription for that many.

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                  • Originally posted by dannyboy View Post
                    Regardless of all the theories thrown about here, whatever happened, in order for a murder charge to stick, the prosecution has to be able to prove that MB took the gun with him with the intent to murder LK and the BF. I think that's going to be pretty difficult to do, what with the dog and the boyfriend not being a small dude himself, and the general craziness going on.

                    Plus, it was not his gun, it was a 9mm with a target load, full metal jacket bullets, the kind of thing you might use on a groundhog, but not a particularly fatal weapon to use on a human being (hence her speedy recovery). You can bet if those bullets had mushroomed, she would not have been taking selfies 3 weeks later.
                    Plus no one died, so he's not being charged with murder. ;-)

                    Still not good to shoot someone, of course. Attempted murder is no joke.

                    As long as we're speculating, maybe he had the gun on his person because he was afraid of getting attacked by her dogs that were already known to be aggressive. It sounds as though all someone would have to do is release them.
                    Last edited by MorganSercu; Sep. 23, 2019, 03:58 PM.

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                    • Originally posted by NotGrandPrixYet View Post

                      She actually said that her dog attacked MH during the shooting incident. I can’t remember if it was on her FB, or somebody else's, or on Twitter, or on the COTH FB page. But I read it recently.

                      The dog bit MB, not MH. MH was not a witness to the shooting.

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                      • Sorry, Attempted Murder.

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                        • Originally posted by carolprudm View Post

                          Surgeons are pretty stingy with opiates these days. Mr P had triple bypass March 29 and did not leave the hospital with a prescription for opiates. While he didn't sustain broken ribs the surgery does involve splitting the sternum and coughing or laughing did indeed hurt. I think the worst however was the boredom and exercise intolerance caused by the transfusions. That took about 3 or 4 weeks to clear up. He had a 10 lb. weight limit, was back at work in 6 to 8 weeks and playing golf within 3 months.

                          I would expect the lung damage would lengthen her healing process but he is 72 and she is 38.
                          I was prescribed Tramadol for a broken wrist a few years back, made me nauseous and I discontinued it. I know someone who still gets Oxycontin for chronic back pain. Terminally ill friend lived on morphine for 4 years. I don't see any evidence they are bring restricted at least in Canada for legit prescriptions.. It's street fentanyl that is killing record numbers of drug users right now. May be different in the USA with recent lawsuit etc.

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                          • What are the Vegas odds, I wonder, on LK and RG trashing the property? Not that this has any damn thing to do with the attempted murder charge, just speculating. Seems to be commonplace where residency rights are in dispute, and with LK being such a class act and all....

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                            • Originally posted by Scribbler View Post

                              I was prescribed Tramadol for a broken wrist a few years back, made me nauseous and I discontinued it. I know someone who still gets Oxycontin for chronic back pain. Terminally ill friend lived on morphine for 4 years. I don't see any evidence they are bring restricted at least in Canada for legit prescriptions.. It's street fentanyl that is killing record numbers of drug users right now. May be different in the USA with recent lawsuit etc.
                              I was referring specifically t to recent experience with post surgical pain
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                              • Originally posted by NotGrandPrixYet View Post

                                She actually said that her dog attacked MH during the shooting incident. I can’t remember if it was on her FB, or somebody else's, or on Twitter, or on the COTH FB page. But I read it recently.
                                This is the first I’ve heard about a dog. Does anyone know what kind of dog it is? Is it purse sized, or pit bull, or somewhere in between? Just curious about how scary the dog might be in a tense situation. Regardless, I feel sorry for the dog.

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                                • Originally posted by MHM View Post

                                  This is the first I’ve heard about a dog. Does anyone know what kind of dog it is? Is it purse sized, or pit bull, or somewhere in between? Just curious about how scary the dog might be in a tense situation. Regardless, I feel sorry for the dog.
                                  Fun fact for some of us - if you have a German Shepherd, Golden Retriever, or any dog that is over 50 pounds, your home insurance may drop you if they find out about it. So get umbrella insurance and be certain to train your dogs not to snap or jump on people.

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                                  • Originally posted by Scribbler View Post

                                    Except for targetted gangland killings (the major form of gun violence in my area), my guess is that very few people "intend" to shoot to kill when they take a gun to a dispute. On the other hand a gun is only scary if the possibility exists that you might use it. So there's a bit of cognitive dissonance involved in taking a gun out to threaten someone. Nevertheless I think most people who brandish one don't actually plan to use it until it suddenly seems like a good idea to pull the trigger. How you prove this one way or the other is beyond me

                                    <snip>

                                    I've known people to have operations on the torso, and no one was fully recovered in 4 weeks. Or in 8. My guess is there's a lot of bluffing going on in LK's selfies and that her recovery time will be longer than she claims.
                                    There was the story much earlier on this thread about somebody who had a bad roommate situation which was instantly resolved when the other roommate brought out her gun and did not point it at anyone, but just had it visible and nearby. So maybe someone might think that was a viable course of action. It might be an approach that works perfectly sometimes, and goes south in a big way at other times, depending on the people involved.

                                    Regarding the remarkably fast recovery time. I knew someone many years ago who was in a medically induced coma for several days following a riding injury. Obviously the physical issues were different, but she was certainly not up and about in four weeks. I don’t think she was even out of the ICU in four weeks. She was most definitely not at a convenience store within a month.

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                                    • Originally posted by MHM View Post
                                      There was the story much earlier on this thread about somebody who had a bad roommate situation which was instantly resolved when the other roommate brought out her gun and did not point it at anyone, but just had it visible and nearby. So maybe someone might think that was a viable course of action. It might be an approach that works perfectly sometimes, and goes south in a big way at other times, depending on the people involved.

                                      Regarding the remarkably fast recovery time. I knew someone many years ago who was in a medically induced coma for several days following a riding injury. Obviously the physical issues were different, but she was certainly not up and about in four weeks. I don’t think she was even out of the ICU in four weeks. She was most definitely not at a convenience store within a month.
                                      Indeed we only have LK's word that this photo in the convenience store was taken after her recovery. It could have been an old photo from a year ago.

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                                      • Originally posted by Scribbler View Post

                                        Indeed we only have LK's word that this photo in the convenience store was taken after her recovery. It could have been an old photo from a year ago.
                                        Also very true.

                                        Are there any newspapers in the background so we could really do the CSI thing and examine the dates and headlines? Or maybe the expiration dates on the food products? Sorry, but the whole situation is just so wacky.

                                        Maybe it was an old picture. Or maybe she made a remarkably fast recovery. Or maybe the original injuries were not as described. Hard to say. It’s all just conjecture at this point.

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                                        • Originally posted by Scribbler View Post

                                          Indeed we only have LK's word that this photo in the convenience store was taken after her recovery. It could have been an old photo from a year ago.
                                          She was at the house that day also, so it was a current picture.
                                          Last edited by tryintogethere; Sep. 23, 2019, 06:44 PM. Reason: to say house instead of barn.

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