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  • Originally posted by fordtraktor View Post

    I think it is very clear that MB shot Lauren. There are all sorts of things that could have caused that to happen that affect an eventual verdict, though.
    Yeah I don't think anyone here, even the wildest speculators, think he didn't actually pull the trigger...

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    • Originally posted by fordtraktor View Post

      I think it is very clear that MB shot Lauren. There are all sorts of things that could have caused that to happen that affect an eventual verdict, though.
      As we're now all off the deep end of rampant speculation, my theory is that she was an accidental victim as he defended himself against 30-50 feral hogs.
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      • https://www.chronofhorse.com/article...after-shooting

        Michael Barisone has been charged with attempted murder and weapons offenses

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        • Originally posted by js View Post
          https://www.chronofhorse.com/article...after-shooting

          Michael Barisone has been charged with attempted murder and weapons offenses
          That's a 2 day old article. LexInVA is right.

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          • Originally posted by fordtraktor View Post

            I think it is very clear that MB shot Lauren. There are all sorts of things that could have caused that to happen that affect an eventual verdict, though.
            Nothing other than self defense justifies a shooting.

            But if there are extenuating circumstances that allow me to go to someone's house with a gun and shoot them, and not go to jail, please elaborate.
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            • Originally posted by TMares View Post

              That's a 2 day old article. LexInVA is right.
              It's still showing on the COTH news feed, I'm not passing judgement or making any claims just provided the link as to what is showing in the news feed.

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              • Originally posted by jetsmom View Post

                Thats what i was thinking. Unless he is gay. But no straight guy is going to own a pink and black gun.
                I know a straight guy whose favorite color is pink and one whose favorite color is purple. I know other straight guys who own and wear pink and purple shirts, among other colors. I'm not sure whether any of them own guns or what color the guns are, although I am certain that at least two of them know how to shoot. Not everybody fits into some neat little stereotype box.
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                • Originally posted by Palm Beach View Post

                  Nothing other than self defense justifies a shooting.

                  But if there are extenuating circumstances that allow me to go to someone's house with a gun and shoot them, and not go to jail, please elaborate.
                  Please post the site where you got the information that MB brought the gun to the encounter with LK since none of us has apparently seen this info. yet.

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                  • Originally posted by Palm Beach View Post

                    Nothing other than self defense justifies a shooting.

                    But if there are extenuating circumstances that allow me to go to someone's house with a gun and shoot them, and not go to jail, please elaborate.
                    Did you read what she wrote? There is nothing that says he brought the gun. Many things could have happened that lead to him shooting her.
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                    • Exactly.

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                      • Originally posted by Palm Beach View Post

                        Nothing other than self defense justifies a shooting.

                        But if there are extenuating circumstances that allow me to go to someone's house with a gun and shoot them, and not go to jail, please elaborate.
                        There are plenty of circumstances that could. If she got in his face yelling and he pulled out the gun. If he snapped mentally and can be declared incompetent. If he wrestled the gun from her and turned it on her. If some other scenario occurred that drop the charges from murder to negligence or attempted manslaughter. The intent required to prove murder or attempted murder is a highish standard.

                        Of course, it could be straight up attempted murder too. I don't see why you think it's so obvious exactly what happened, when the whole thing looks like a made for TV movie.

                        And then there is always jury nullification. I've seen a few of those in my day, where the jury, in its black box, decides something no one expected based on the facts of the actual shooting, but likely on what happened before.

                        I didn't say anything about whether he went to jail -- I said it could affect the charges. For some of these he would probably still get jail time, just less.

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                        • For those of you who aren't familiar with the charge of Attempted Murder- here's some info that will enlighten you.

                          http://www.attorneys.com/homicide/at...-and-penalties
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                          • Originally posted by fordtraktor View Post

                            There are plenty of circumstances that could. If she got in his face yelling and he pulled out the gun.

                            You can't shoot people for yelling at you. Plus, in this scenario, he went to her residence WITH A GUN.

                            If he snapped mentally and can be declared incompetent.

                            Again, in this scenario, he went to her residence WITH A GUN. Of course he snapped mentally, but this is a man who is running a international level riding and training business. It's going to be hard for him to have himself declared incompetent.

                            If he wrestled the gun from her and turned it on her.

                            Well, that would be self defense. Do you think maybe the crime scene investigation would show evidence of a struggle? Do you think someone who was so afraid of him that she would pick up a gun, would them step outside the house close enough that he could disarm her? How would that explain the unlawful possession charges against him? Makes no sense.

                            If some other scenario occurred that drop the charges from murder to negligence or attempted manslaughter.

                            Like what? Using the facts and charges, and a bit of common sense, what do you think happened other than the obvious?

                            The intent required to prove murder or attempted murder is a highish standard.

                            Won't argue will that. But will point out that he went to her residence with a gun and shot her twice.

                            Of course, it could be straight up attempted murder too. I don't see why you think it's so obvious exactly what happened, when the whole thing looks like a made for TV movie.

                            And then there is always jury nullification. I've seen a few of those in my day, where the jury, in its black box, decides something no one expected based on the facts of the actual shooting, but likely on what happened before.

                            I didn't say anything about whether he went to jail -- I said it could affect the charges. For some of these he would probably still get jail time, just less.
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                            • Palm Beach, where are you getting all this information that the gun was one that he had acquired illegally and brought with him to the house? Because I haven’t seen that information made public, and it’s far from the only possible scenario that could lead to attempted murder/weapons charges.

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                              • Palm beach, the is no information that he brought the gun. Maybe he did. Maybe he didn't. Maybe the gun used was the one covered by the illegal possession charge. Maybe the gun used belong to Lauren and sn illegal weapon was turned up in a search.

                                I think you keep failing to understand that the public doesn't know everything and the prosecutors are probably sorting it out themselves. You're also arguing with a few criminal lawers on the BB. They probably have good info.
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                                • I think many people are not trying to excuse Barisone, but to try to understand what happened when the available information paints an odd picture. The idea of a trainer shooting a rich client just because they are having a dispute is difficult to process. Surely he would know that he would be harming himself nearly as much as her.
                                  So we speculate. Maybe there was a fight over a gun. But whose gun? A love triangle? Maybe he found her gun and intended to intimidate her, starting the struggle and shooting. Maybe he wrested the gun from her. Or it was his gun and he was trying to intimidate. Or trying to kill? Perhaps there was alcohol and drugs involved affecting judgement. Nobody knows at this point.

                                  It may be that we will eventually find out unsavory details about any of those involved. I once was acquainted with a serial killer. When he was arrested and his crimes revealed, I, like most people, said "I never would have believed it. He was always polite to me and seemed like such a good guy!"

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                                  • Most detailed article I’ve seen yet on what fiancé said and what police saw on arrival. https://www.northjersey.com/story/ne...it/1968420001/

                                    also for those speculating on whose gun it might be, note that he is charged with possession of a weapon for an unlawful purpose. It seems unlikely the police would charge him with that crime if he simply took possession of her gun as he wrestled it from her and then shot her with it. He is also charged with attempting to murder two people so the fiancé appears to have been also in the line of fire. https://prosecutor.morriscountynj.go...gton-township/
                                    Last edited by Karen Hecker; Aug. 10, 2019, 10:27 AM.

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                                    • Originally posted by Palm Beach View Post

                                      Nothing other than self defense justifies a shooting.

                                      But if there are extenuating circumstances that allow me to go to someone's house with a gun and shoot them, and not go to jail, please elaborate.
                                      Back in my hometown, a women pulled up to a guy in a parking lot, rolled down her window and shot him. Turned out he was molesting her niece. She never served a day.

                                      Totally different from this situation, just pointing out that you can't make that kind of statement as if it were fact.

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                                      • With what we know about her, an illicit relationship would not surprise me, though I see no clear evidence of one, simply circumstances and facts that would allow it to happen, as Lauren's fiance Roger stayed in NC when she went to NJ to be with Barisone. Given his recent divorce and her obvious attractiveness and likely willingness to do whatever she felt was necessary, it's certainly possible that she seduced him in some way to get into his confidences and gain his trust/connections for her own use and then used it to blackmail him, then openly threatened him to the point where it backfired, resulting in this incident. Again, just a wild possibility.

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                                        • Originally posted by Karen Hecker View Post
                                          Most detailed article I’ve seen yet on what fiancé said and what police saw on arrival. https://www.northjersey.com/story/ne...it/1968420001/

                                          also for those speculating on whose gun it might be, note that he is charged with possession of a weapon for an unlawful purpose. It seems unlikely the police would charge him with that crime if he simply took possession of her gun as he wrestled it from her and then shot her with it. He is also charged with attempting to murder two people so the fiancé appears to have been also in the line of fire. https://prosecutor.morriscountynj.go...gton-township/
                                          Thank you. Apparently some people are unable to understand these things and would rather make stuff up and spread rumors. Common sense tells you that a woman who was so afraid of her landlord she grabbed a gun when he showed up at her house also would not step outside and get physically close enough to him he could disarm her without a struggle. Plus, crime scene investigations are very detailed, and will turn up signs of a struggle.

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