• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Dressage Riders' opinions on other disciplines?

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Dressage Riders' opinions on other disciplines?

    So, in a thread in the off-topic forum, me and a few other folks were conversing about the types of bits (or bitless setups, in my case) with our horses. One person mentioned she uses a kimberwick with what I think is called a segunda mouth (I could be wrong on that word.. ), and I personally use a mech hack for a lot of my time in the saddle. Then we joked that if we took that thread over here to Dressage forum, we'd get our heads chopped off and served on a platter.

    That kinda makes me wonder though, what do you Dressage folks think of other disciplines? What about the barrel racers, tearing it up with wild eyes around the barrels. Or the endurance riders, with their little dished Arab mount's heads up in the air as they go along? Or the WP riders, whose horses don't get ridden with basically ANY rein contact whatsoever, and travel :insert gasp here: on the forehand?

    So Dressage folks. What say you about the outside world?
    Tell a Gelding. Ask a Stallion. Discuss it with a Mare... Pray if it's a Pony!

  • #2
    Are you under the impression that dressage riders don't take part in any other equine discipline? If so, you're quite wrong.
    ... _. ._ .._. .._

    Comment

    • Original Poster

      #3
      Originally posted by Equibrit View Post
      Are you under the impression that dressage riders don't take part in any other equine discipline. If so, you're quite wrong.
      Where in my post did I say that?
      Tell a Gelding. Ask a Stallion. Discuss it with a Mare... Pray if it's a Pony!

      Comment


      • #4
        well I've rode all types of disciplines. I started off trail riding for fun then took hunter/jumper classes in college and rode that for a while then I went back to trail riding then to barrel racing (which is loadssss of fun) then back to hunters and then jumpers and now to dressage and we are trying out a little eventing as well this year. So I have no problem with other disciplines because I rode many types and they are all different in many ways it just depends on what you want to do. I think dressage is a good basic on ANY horse no matter WP, or Barrel racing, or even show jumeprs. I think each discipline is specfic to that discipline and really can't be compared to each other that includes rider and horse. I'm having a really hard time now to sit and relax in dressage because of all the forward riding I've done in the past. Whatever floats your boat is what I say. BUT I DO HATE the WP horses that 4 beat (i think thats what its called) Thats just horrible with the broken leg canter. Can't stand that.
        Horses aren't our whole life, but makes our life whole

        Comment

        • Original Poster

          #5
          Originally posted by rabicon View Post
          well I've rode all types of disciplines. I started off trail riding for fun then took hunter/jumper classes in college and rode that for a while then I went back to trail riding then to barrel racing (which is loadssss of fun) then back to hunters and then jumpers and now to dressage and we are trying out a little eventing as well this year. So I have no problem with other disciplines because I rode many types and they are all different in many ways it just depends on what you want to do. I think dressage is a good basic on ANY horse no matter WP, or Barrel racing, or even show jumeprs. I think each discipline is specfic to that discipline and really can't be compared to each other that includes rider and horse. I'm having a really hard time now to sit and relax in dressage because of all the forward riding I've done in the past. Whatever floats your boat is what I say. BUT I DO HATE the WP horses that 4 beat (i think thats what its called) Thats just horrible with the broken leg canter. Can't stand that.
          I think I agree with you, that some basic foundation in Dressage can help with a lot of disciplines, western and english alike. Good point!
          Tell a Gelding. Ask a Stallion. Discuss it with a Mare... Pray if it's a Pony!

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by sublimequine View Post
            Where in my post did I say that?
            Where in my post did it say that you said that?
            In case you have a comprehension problem; it was a question that I asked you.
            ... _. ._ .._. .._

            Comment


            • #7
              Dressage is The Only True Way. Surely you know that.
              www.specialhorses.org
              a 501(c)3 organization helping 501(c)3 equine rescues

              Comment


              • #8
                I have an appreciation for all disciplines, but there are certain methods/trainers/riders that ruin it for me. I started riding dressage with Helmut (he wouldn't let me jump until we had the basics down) and then moved to H/J and now back to dressage. Although now I find myself owning a dressage mount, a H/J prospect, and a WP trained (shown in halter) Paint. My main boy can be quite the handful and I chose to purchase my Paint over a 2nd level school horse because it is such a relaxing ride (a nice break). Of course I also got him so hubby could start riding. I even boarded at a primarily NSH barn for a couple of years. Although some of the training methods left a lot to be desired I did grow an appreciation for saddle seat and some breeds I hadn't previously been exposed to. Oh, and I've also trail ridden a bunch with the OTTBs I had previously. My paint has now also made his debut in his first homecoming parade with a friend's niece aboard.

                Comment


                • #9
                  I respect most of the other disciplines. All disciplines have their good and bad horses and trainers.
                  BTW some of you really need to go and see a REAL western pleasure horse. Like maybe one I have trained.
                  A real pleasure horse is honest in the bridle and always comes from behind, ISN'T heavy on the forehand and can also do lead changes every 2-3 strides. Clean changes, unlike so many hunters I see at the shows who go half way around the ring, cross cantering

                  I am so sick of seeing everyone bashing the wp horse. Not sure where you all are going or what your watching but there are GOOD ones out there, they don't all four beat and travel heavy infront

                  Comment

                  • Original Poster

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Equibrit View Post
                    Where in my post did it say that you said that?
                    In case you have a comprehension problem; it was a question that I asked you.
                    Why do you have to be so nasty? Sheesh, lighten up or don't post. It's real simple. It's supposed to be fun posting around here.

                    DressageGeek; I KNEW IT!

                    vestito; I kind of have the same outlook you do. It's a good way to look at it, I think.
                    Tell a Gelding. Ask a Stallion. Discuss it with a Mare... Pray if it's a Pony!

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      I start every horse with dressage basics. I'm working with a greenie right now who will be a trail horse and eventually child's wp mount - and I'm starting him exactly the same way I started my own event prospect. Well, except with a heavier saddle.

                      A good wp horse is exhibiting a great deal of collection, and is not going around dumped on the forehand.

                      A good barrel run is just dressage at speed. You can't get those turns - which is where it's won or lost - without engagement, suppleness, and a very responsive horse.

                      A good endurance horse isn't moving like a GP horse, but they are balanced and using their butts. The endurance riders I've known all schooled dressage extensively at home, because it builds the right muscles. (Granted, that's a small sample size... )

                      Of course, the key word here is "good." You have good and bad in every discipline, though. And in pretty much every discipline you have bad that makes it to the top once in awhile, too, for whatever reason - but that doesn't change the actual definition of "good," though it may lead to some unfortunate fads.

                      So I guess my answer to your question is that I don't look down on other disciplines because I think it's ALL dressage - just with different end goals. I may look down on certain practitioners of those disciplines, sure, but I look down on certain practitioners of dressage, too.
                      Proud member of the EDRF

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by sublimequine View Post
                        It's supposed to be fun posting around here.
                        "we'd get our heads chopped off and served on a platter. "


                        Great fun!
                        ... _. ._ .._. .._

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by vestito View Post
                          I respect most of the other disciplines. All disciplines have their good and bad horses and trainers.
                          BTW some of you really need to go and see a REAL western pleasure horse. Like maybe one I have trained.
                          A real pleasure horse is honest in the bridle and always comes from behind, ISN'T heavy on the forehand and can also do lead changes every 2-3 strides. Clean changes, unlike so many hunters I see at the shows who go half way around the ring, cross cantering

                          I am so sick of seeing everyone bashing the wp horse. Not sure where you all are going or what your watching but there are GOOD ones out there, they don't all four beat and travel heavy infront

                          I AM NOT BASHING THEM!! My friends that show WP have the most beautiful sane horses!! THey round so nicely and use their HQ, I wish I had a photo or video to post of one of theirs. The do not broke leg lope and they are not peanut rolled. Actually my friends that board with me just sent their 4 yr old off and he just got back from these folks. They trained him and he is amazing in 2 months. NO DRAW REINS, NO SIDE REINS, NO MECHANICAL DEVICES OF ANY KIND and this horse is already perfect for the hunter ring and uses his Hindend beautifully. You do have to admit though that some WP horses are trained really really badly and look horrible.
                          Horses aren't our whole life, but makes our life whole

                          Comment

                          • Original Poster

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Kementari View Post
                            I start every horse with dressage basics. I'm working with a greenie right now who will be a trail horse and eventually child's wp mount - and I'm starting him exactly the same way I started my own event prospect. Well, except with a heavier saddle.

                            A good wp horse is exhibiting a great deal of collection, and is not going around dumped on the forehand.

                            A good barrel run is just dressage at speed. You can't get those turns - which is where it's won or lost - without engagement, suppleness, and a very responsive horse.

                            A good endurance horse isn't moving like a GP horse, but they are balanced and using their butts. The endurance riders I've known all schooled dressage extensively at home, because it builds the right muscles. (Granted, that's a small sample size... )

                            Of course, the key word here is "good." You have good and bad in every discipline, though. And in pretty much every discipline you have bad that makes it to the top once in awhile, too, for whatever reason - but that doesn't change the actual definition of "good," though it may lead to some unfortunate fads.

                            So I guess my answer to your question is that I don't look down on other disciplines because I think it's ALL dressage - just with different end goals. [b] I may look down on certain practitioners of those disciplines, sure, but I look down on certain practitioners of dressage, too. [b]
                            Hahahaha, good point.

                            Equibrit; That was a joke.. it kinda goes hand and hand with the 'fun' concept. Cmon now.
                            Tell a Gelding. Ask a Stallion. Discuss it with a Mare... Pray if it's a Pony!

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Kementari View Post
                              Of course, the key word here is "good." You have good and bad in every discipline, though. And in pretty much every discipline you have bad that makes it to the top once in awhile, too, for whatever reason - but that doesn't change the actual definition of "good," though it may lead to some unfortunate fads.
                              Very well said. WP was not always like that, and hopefully it won't be forever (*v. optimistic*).

                              Our horse sports have become so specialized that there is room for exaggeration and abuse in any discipline. Someone always has to take things one step further to win. Kinda makes you wonder where dressage is going to go in the next 20 or 50 years. Will we be riding 22hh horses with 32 ft. trot strides? They'll have to make bigger arenas.

                              Originally posted by Equibrit View Post
                              "we'd get our heads chopped off and served on a platter. "


                              Great fun!
                              Way to prove her wrong by being so down-to-earth and friendly!

                              Comment


                              • #16
                                honestly, i don't care for any of the western/gaming events that i've seen. i don't care for any of the natural horsemanship that i've seen. (is that a discipline?) i don't care for any of the big lick or saddle seat stuff that i have seen. doesn't mean that there aren't excellent riders and horses in these areas, i just haven't been fortunate enough to come across them. i guess i also don't care for racing, while i'm at it..

                                other than that, i've never had a problem with endurance, eventing, hunters, trail riding, vaulting or driving.

                                Comment

                                • Original Poster

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by class View Post
                                  honestly, i don't care for any of the western/gaming events that i've seen. i don't care for any of the natural horsemanship that i've seen. (is that a discipline?) i don't care for any of the big lick or saddle seat stuff that i have seen. doesn't mean that there aren't excellent riders and horses in these areas, i just haven't been fortunate enough to come across them.

                                  other than that, i've never had a problem with endurance, eventing, hunters, trail riding, vaulting or driving.
                                  That's a good point. I try and have equal respect for all disciplines.. but I'm sorry, NH is just a big thumbs-down in my book. Maybe I've just had too many bad experiences with it (and more specifically, the people who follow it ).
                                  Tell a Gelding. Ask a Stallion. Discuss it with a Mare... Pray if it's a Pony!

                                  Comment


                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Sithly View Post

                                    Our horse sports have become so specialized that there is room for exaggeration and abuse in any discipline. Someone always has to take things one step further to win. Kinda makes you wonder where dressage is going to go in the next 20 or 50 years. Will we be riding 22hh horses with 32 ft. trot strides? They'll have to make bigger arenas.


                                    yes! exactly what I was thinking. disciplines are not only specialized, but overly stylized, maybe in an attempt to set themselves apart from others. but I think thats where I get annoyed. I haven't enjoyed watching any saddle seat I've seen, and I've only enjoyed some of the WP - but it was at a local show, so it sounds like the low level may have had something to do with it.

                                    Comment


                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by sublimequine View Post
                                      So, in a thread in the off-topic forum, me and a few other folks were conversing about the types of bits (or bitless setups, in my case) with our horses. One person mentioned she uses a kimberwick with what I think is called a segunda mouth (I could be wrong on that word.. ), and I personally use a mech hack for a lot of my time in the saddle. Then we joked that if we took that thread over here to Dressage forum, we'd get our heads chopped off and served on a platter.
                                      I must admit that I had a question about what kind of bit to put on my strong/tends to pull and lean horse, and I took it to the eventing forum for just that reason!
                                      http://burpclothsandsaddlepads.blogspot.com/

                                      Comment


                                      • #20
                                        Quote: Or the WP riders, whose horses don't get ridden with basically ANY rein contact whatsoever, and travel :insert gasp here: on the forehand?

                                        ----------------------------------------------------------------
                                        Why do you assume that WP horses travel on the forehand? It sounds to me like you are assuming ALL do it? If that is the case, you need to go watch a *real* show.

                                        4 beating is also "out" for a real WP horse also. Yes, that was the case a few years back, but you won't place now in any rated shows.
                                        MnToBe Twinkle Star: "Twinkie"
                                        http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...wo/009_17A.jpg

                                        Proud member of the "Don't rush to kill wildlife" clique!

                                        Comment

                                        Working...
                                        X