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    Dressage suitability critique (low level)

    Last edited by Eventer2483; Dec. 5, 2019, 11:34 AM.

    #2
    In the confo shot, he looks uncomfortable, all tucked up in his flank. He appears to be sickle hocked, too. I don't like the slope of his croup, either. I'm afraid I would pass.
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      #3
      not sure what you mean by taking on. Buying? leasing?

      As he looks now, I am afraid that short striding behind is making me question the soundness of back and hind end.

      Or perhaps a huge gap in the training. He may have been trained backwards, a pretty frame in front but the horse is not coming through to that front. In other words has he been ridden/trained backwards?

      If I was going to focus on training dressage to aim for second level, I would stop the jumping to preserve soundness and try to work through the hind end and back for more true engagement
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        #4
        Originally posted by SillyHorse View Post
        In the confo shot, he looks uncomfortable, all tucked up in his flank. He appears to be sickle hocked, too. I don't like the slope of his croup, either. I'm afraid I would pass.
        Ditto that. Posture looks painful, and his neck ties in low as well. Something in the hind end looks NQR in the video.

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          #5
          I agree with the previous comments...he looks very much in need of a lameness workup. He seems sweet and willing which I love. I'm an optimist and barring any findings other than joint maintenance on a vet exam I'd say could be capable of 2nd level. If he has changes already possibly 3rd. As a rider your job will be to help him work correctly and over his top line. I think once his stiffness is addressed it will physically possible for him. Good luck.

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            #6
            Originally posted by JLR1 View Post
            I agree with the previous comments...he looks very much in need of a lameness workup. He seems sweet and willing which I love. I'm an optimist and barring any findings other than joint maintenance on a vet exam I'd say could be capable of 2nd level. If he has changes already possibly 3rd. As a rider your job will be to help him work correctly and over his top line. I think once his stiffness is addressed it will physically possible for him. Good luck.
            I agree with this. I wouldn't intentionally acquire a horse who was unsound, but should those problems be solvable I would think the gold are within this horse's capability - I have certainly seen less ideal conformation make it!
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              #7
              That confo shot does look very uncomfortable.

              I would suggest getting some diagnostics on his hocks and maybe stifles. I feel like he isn't articulating his hocks enough especially the right leg? Also he is a bit straight behind in the confo shot which might limit his ability to collect.

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                #8
                Thanks you all. I Have similar reservations about the horse. To answer a couple of questions, he would likely be free to me from a long time family friend who is wanting to get out of the horse owning business. Ive ridden him currently for a bit more than a year and before that have known him off and on since he came off the track. I want to switch farms so I can bring in outside trainers (H/J barn and I'm an eventer/wannadressage rider). My vet looked at him last year and did some injections around his poll and topline and wanted to work on strengthening that up prior to going to joints. But I think this horse definitely needs more than just strengthening now.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Eventer2483 View Post
                  Thanks you all. I Have similar reservations about the horse. To answer a couple of questions, he would likely be free to me from a long time family friend who is wanting to get out of the horse owning business. Ive ridden him currently for a bit more than a year and before that have known him off and on since he came off the track. I want to switch farms so I can bring in outside trainers (H/J barn and I'm an eventer/wannadressage rider). My vet looked at him last year and did some injections around his poll and topline and wanted to work on strengthening that up prior to going to joints. But I think this horse definitely needs more than just strengthening now.
                  Was he suitable for you during that year when you were riding him? Did you like him?
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                    #10
                    I am afraid I would pass. He has a very stiff hind end leg at the canter resulting in no to little lift. This way of going will make it difficult for him to do early collection at 2nd lvl. At 14yrs will be an uphill journey for him to carry himself in a dressage "frame", ie over his back into the contact. I know free sounds inviting, but he will require a year or two of professional training = not cheap.

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                      #11
                      Ditto what others have said. But a free horse is never truly free. The purchase cost is the least of the money spent.

                      What will you do with this horse once you have him and he becomes unsound? If you have a place to keep him as a pasture ornament that is great. If you will just keep him and not get another horse and be happy with that, also great.

                      If if you do get him or while you wait to think about this... I would suggest working him at walk and trot in a stretched down, longer frame. If he has back issues and you spend your time holding him up he will have no chance to build his back up.

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                        #12
                        Thank you all. Even though I have ridden most of my life and claim to be realistic, I get so bloody attached to the horses I ride. You all have helped me realize that while I so appreciate the gift of riding this horse now, he is not one that I wish to own (and cover expenses) going forward in the advancement of my riding education. While the future is not certain with any horse, it prob not a good idea to start the ownership journey with one that is starting with limitations. I'll loosely start the search for a young prospect in the spring.

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                          #13
                          Still interested. You have been riding him for a year. Did he hold up? Was he injured all the time? Did you like to Ride Him?
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                            #14
                            Yes, i evented him beginner novice and novice last summer. He was alright for the show season but has always been a bit hitchy behind (not this uneven that I've noticed). He hasn't really jumped since October. He has some riding/behavioral issues that I think have always been related to soundness if I am honest. The vet work we did last year the owner split the cost with me but I'm hesitant to keep dishing out $$ when I could be saving to purchase something more in tune with my goals. Until me no one ever had a vet look at him, so that sucks for him. H/J barn... so they are more likely to label "bahavior problems" than soundness issues. Ugh

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Eventer2483 View Post
                              ....Even though I have ridden most of my life and claim to be realistic.... I'll loosely start the search for a young prospect in the spring.
                              Like most of us if you have been associated with horse for any length of time you can 'claim' all you want... we are all a bit unrealistic. Not that this is a bad thing, but it is a thing. If you are young and brave and near a race track you might want to look to "Canter" for an OTTB. An acquaintance of mine got a VERY nice 5 y.o. That had not run fast enough to hurt himself and was such a puppy they used him for a year as a lead pony. Made a very nice dressage horse. Good luck looking.


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                                #16
                                I agree with many. And you. In the movement canter picture, his hind legs are basically parallel. I wonder if he has any separation and reach, and if that is due to riding/training or pain in his hocks or croup.
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                                  #17
                                  He looks like a sweet horse that could probably comfortably do training and first level.

                                  I'm seeing what everyone else is seeing behind - he does not step under behind at the canter and his hind end is not developed the way you would expect given the work he is getting. So asking him to collect for second level plus is going to be very difficult for him.

                                  If you can honor his limitations, go for it because he looks like a sweet horse. But this is not a horse I would buy looking for a third level dressage horse.

                                  I am curious about your comment that the horse was given injections on the pole and topline. When I watch the video I see a hind end issue, so I'm wondering why the vet was addressing the front end of the horse and not the back end.

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                                    #18
                                    I didn't mention all the correct things. He injected him with some sort of numbing mixture in his poll, wither and back points, and SI. This vet is of the belief that lower leg issues are caused by problems in back/SI/pelvis/shoulders/poll etc. wanted him long lined and working on correct position in order to carry himself correctly and build up strength. He hasn't seen the horse in about a year, and I'm not really going to put more of my money into him. It's up to the owner now, who I'm pretty sure is not going to. We'll see what happens, but I plan to start looking for something of my own come spring (ie warm).

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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by JLR1 View Post
                                      I agree with the previous comments...he looks very much in need of a lameness workup. He seems sweet and willing which I love. I'm an optimist and barring any findings other than joint maintenance on a vet exam I'd say could be capable of 2nd level. If he has changes already possibly 3rd. As a rider your job will be to help him work correctly and over his top line. I think once his stiffness is addressed it will physically possible for him. Good luck.
                                      I agree with this. This guy looks sweet and willing and you 2 make a nice pair.
                                      I see so many people that have horses
                                      with unsuitable temperaments that when you find a willing partner that you know you like riding you should give it every chance you can.
                                      Do you live within driving distance of a vet school?
                                      The exams at vet schools can be quite reasonable for the teaching opportunity.

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                                        #20
                                        He doesn't look 100% sound to me, especially left hind. Appears higher up like stifle, maybe SI. But he seems like a nice, sweet horse. He has a bit of a common modern TB problem of too straight and too long in the hind leg. I don't think asking him to try to collect to a 3rd level frame will work out very well. I think even if you fix the soundness issues, his current type of job is more suitable.

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