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    For anyone who has taken a break from riding and during this break focused on your own fitness, did you find that when you started to ride again you were able to ride "better" due to your increase in fitness?

    Edit to add: I should have clarified what I meant by being a better ride. I'm not referring to the ability to feel or know when to apply aids, but more from a positional/balance/strengthen stand point.
    Last edited by mydogs; Dec. 6, 2018, 12:48 PM.

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    I took two years off riding due to an injury, and spent the past year prior to riding again, working on recovering my fitness. I gave myself goals and milestones to focus on getting back into the saddle, while trying to ensure that I did not relapse (back injury with nerve damage).

    By the time I was back in the saddle, I was running close to 50 miles a month, could run 10km no problem, my core was stronger and I hadn't had a flare up in 8 months. It still took 2 months to get my "riding fitness" back to where I wanted, but I have always been generally a fit person. I always work on my fitness though, and when I run or weight train, I do it because it's fair to my horse. I expect him to train, and build muscle. I need to have the core strength, endurance and control of my body to at least meet him half way. If I hadn't worked so hard on myself this past year, I don't think I would have made nearly the progress I did.

    If you ride 7 horses a day, and do barn chores, you probably dont need training ​​​​​​. Otherwise, the average person needs both IMHO

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      AMWookey - when you got back to riding after the break, did you find you were a better rider than before the break? Better, as in, had more control of your body and could better influence your horse's body?

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        Originally posted by mydogs View Post
        AMWookey - when you got back to riding after the break, did you find you were a better rider than before the break? Better, as in, had more control of your body and could better influence your horse's body?
        Not that poster, but my answer to this would be no.

        It was easier to ride for longer, and I had better body control, but riding skill is not just about physical fitness, it is about feel and timing that still need to be developed even if you are an ultramarathoner pilates instructor.
        Originally posted by PeanutButterPony
        you can shackle your pony to a lawn chair at the show...so long as its in a conservative color.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by soloudinhere View Post

          Not that poster, but my answer to this would be no.

          It was easier to ride for longer, and I had better body control, but riding skill is not just about physical fitness, it is about feel and timing that still need to be developed even if you are an ultramarathoner pilates instructor.
          This.



          I am always focused on my own fitness and spend many hours in the gym and/or outside exercising. So while I have the physical strength and endurance, I will always have to work on the "art" of riding that is timing, feel, and general sense.


          ​​​​​I agree with AMWookey that we do owe it to our horses. Especially when we expect them to be fit and perform as athletes.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by mydogs View Post
            AMWookey - when you got back to riding after the break, did you find you were a better rider than before the break? Better, as in, had more control of your body and could better influence your horse's body?
            2 months in and I am 100% a better rider, but I also got a new coach, so a bit of this, a bit of that. I do not think I would have got there without having spent the year on my own fitness. Not so quickly, and not to the degree.

            My husband came into riding as a natural athlete and with a very strong core. His posture is always on point, and it's because of his fitness level.

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              I posted elsewhere just the other day that I suspect that I experience anxiety around riding now partly because I feel unfit and less strong compared to my younger days. It is not confidence-inspiring to feel less fit, especially if it translates to feeling less balanced or getting tired quickly. I don’t think that a fitness program will improve your actual riding skills or your timing or your feel. I do think that improved fitness and core strength allow you to better apply your skills by causing you to ride more independently, with better balance and stamina, and with increased confidence in your physical base.
              Last edited by Redlei44; Dec. 6, 2018, 03:08 PM.

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              • #8
                I haven't done any sustained riding or showing in 5 years. I ride around the farm, occasionally canter, but mostly walk/trot. I started boxing 2 years ago and my balance, reaction timing, and strength are much better. My anxiety has decreased as well.

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                • #9
                  I'm a better rider when I work out. I've been doing a great strength training program for the last couple months and I notice a difference in the saddle. Obviously doesn't improve my timing and feel but I'm stronger and better balanced in the saddle. I tend to be a bit of a sloucher (long upper body) and I've definitely noticed it has been much easier to hold my position since I've been working on improving my back strength. I can think more about timing of aids and what I'm feeling because I don't have to remind myself, "shoulders back" every couple strides. I also find my down transitions have been smoother due to being able to hold my back better and I feel like I'm a quieter rider - probably because with more strength it takes less effort to get my aids across.

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                  • #10
                    I would say both yes and no to being a better rider after a break. I find that some of my muscle-based bad habits weaken with the break so if I then focus on rebuilding correctly when i resume riding it's easier to fix. However I lose the finesse and timing of my aids as well as the balance and independence of my seat.

                    So my answer is a yes and no, however my breaks tend to be long (8+ mos) and my riding level has never been particularly high.

                    I had a pro friend who took 5 months off during her pregnancy (when sitting astride a nerve was pinched making riding very painful once she was 5 months along and then she took 1 month post baby before really starting back in riding work). She came back an even better rider but I think this is because she is a very high level rider and has been for 10+ years so while the 5 months helped reset some mild bad habits, she didn't really lose a lot of the feel, seat, and timing that I typically lose. Plus she was working out plus doing all barn work and regular non-riding but horse related activity so it's not like she lost general fitness during that period.

                    So I think it also depends on your riding level, extent of your break, what type of exercise you're doing outside of riding, etc. No real single answer unfortunately!

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                    • #11
                      I took 3 years off riding (I lived in NYC and riding was just not an option) in my early 20s. I took to the gym to keep in shape and tried in particular to target riding muscles.

                      When I got back to riding, despite being much stronger and fitter than I had ever been before, I was NOT a better rider. It was hard to target riding muscles and hard to get the kind of isolation of muscles that riding requires from normal fitness.

                      However, because I hadn't ridden in so long, the muscle memory that made some of my position flaws hard to fix were also gone. So, I was able to build back rider strength and fitness into a better position than I ever had before. I don't think I would have been able to break those bad position habits so cleanly without the break from riding.

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                        Since my new guy is less of a workout to ride, and the doctor called for more cardio, I've upped my days at the gym to 2-3 (depending on crazy schedule). It has made a huge difference in my stamina while riding.

                        The only thing that gets me through our mini-winter here in So. CA is the gym and my workouts. I would be a complete mess otherwise. By focusing on making myself more fit for the horse, I'm still able to improve how I ride... so not a complete waste.

                        Yes- it makes a huge difference for me.
                        "I am but a passenger on this ship"
                        -- Stendal (epitaph)

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                          I could not truly sit the trot until I got my core really strong. It's always been stronger than the average person due to riding. And I've been a competitive cyclist for a number of years, though not any longer. Some of the muscles are contrary to the muscles needed for riding so that was tough. But I think it balanced me out in the long run. Now I'm a much better rider when I keep up with my yoga and 3j-day a week cycling schedule. But yes, when I went for a while this summer without much riding, I focused on my cycling and yoga and it helped. But balance and timing was an issue. And some wonky issues, like being crooked and collapsing/contracting to my stronger side. Just too strong on that side and over-compensating.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by mydogs View Post
                            For anyone who has taken a break from riding and during this break focused on your own fitness, did you find that when you started to ride again you were able to ride "better" due to your increase in fitness?

                            Edit to add: I should have clarified what I meant by being a better ride. I'm not referring to the ability to feel or know when to apply aids, but more from a positional/balance/strengthen stand point.
                            Absolutely. All those lessons where my coach was telling me to SIT UP AND HOLD and I really, physically could not do it. I paid for the same lesson over and over and over... what I really needed to do was get into the gym and the yoga studio.

                            After a year with a NASM certified personal trainer working on core strength and balance (and losing 50 lbs in the process) I actually had control of my body and balance to the point that I could do what I was being asked to do. It was amazing.

                            Then we moved out to the country. :::: I found a good personal trainer but it's a half-hour drive, so it never happens.
                            Last edited by wsmoak; Dec. 7, 2018, 08:08 AM.
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                              I think increasing your cardio, besides any strength training, will help your riding. And once your stamina improves, the finer points such as feel and timing sharpen during your rides.

                              Originally posted by wsmoak View Post



                              Then we moved out to the country. :::: I found a good trainer but it's a half-hour drive, so it never happens.
                              I hear you. This is what happened to me, and why I stopped riding as much. The trainer I found was an hour and a half away. Which is why I started working out more.



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                              • #16
                                For sure I think fitness makes you a better rider. I started at a local gym 2 years ago and really have worked on my cardio and strength training. I now compete in OCR (obstacle course racing, first year competing and have finished top 5 in all of my races). I'm now focused on bodybuilding and plan on competing next year. I do hit the gym a lot though (1 hr of weights a day followed by 1hr of cardio. Plus my barn mucking every morning so around 3hr a day. And I eat really, really clean) as I have some fairly large goals.

                                My instuctor noticed my fitness right away as I hadnt seen her in several months. I don't take lessons through the summer as I get too busy with horse shows and my own races, and I go back to lessons during the fall/winter. The first thing she commented on was my core strength and how much more I was sitting up then I was the previous season. She also mentioned that I was a softer rider in my arms - almost too much though. Now that I have more strength in my arms, I worry that I will pull/be too hard on their mouths, so I'm very cautious of this, and she noticed that right away.

                                It did not help my timing or make me a better rider per say, but now that I don't get tired, have a much stronger core, I do find it easier to do certain things.

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                                • #17
                                  If you have never worked out, I do think riding will improve if you start working out even if not riding at the same time. But if you already worked out and rode, being even fitter may not matter. Being fit enough to run a mile vs. a marathon probably won't change your riding that much, but going from couch potato or skinny fat or whatever to actually having muscle and endurance will make a world of difference.

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                                  • #18
                                    There is a reason Charlotte Dujardin has such an intense fitness program. Even though she probably rides more than her fair share of horses daily, she still maintains a very strict fitness regime.

                                    With Dressage especially, sitting the trot (and i mean sitting a forward, engaged and expressive trot) means having a good core and independent seat. This doesn’t happen by being unfit. I wish fitness was stressed more....and even just strength. I know so many people who are dumbfounded by the concept of a proper sitting trot. However, they tend to be a little to moderately unfit as well. Yes, it takes timing, balance, feel and skill....but I honestly believe those things come quicker to stronger and fitter riders.

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                                    • #19
                                      I wish I could have back in my bank account all the money I spent on lessons I couldn’t learn squat from because I was so unfit.

                                      Four years ago I realized that riding and walking the dogs wasn’t really exercise, and I started jogging and working out a few days a week. The increased core strength and stamina helped me so much. I was on the verge of selling the best horse I ever owned because I couldn’t keep up with his expressive gaits. Exercising more allowed me to keep and enjoy him.

                                      I think that especially after a certain age, you really have to be fit to ride.
                                      A helmet saved my life.

                                      2017 goal: learn to ride like TheHorseProblem, er, a barn rat!

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by wsmoak View Post

                                        Absolutely. All those lessons where my coach was telling me to SIT UP AND HOLD and I really, physically could not do it. I paid for the same lesson over and over and over... what I really needed to do was get into the gym and the yoga studio.

                                        After a year with a NASM certified personal trainer working on core strength and balance (and losing 50 lbs in the process) I actually had control of my body and balance to the point that I could do what I was being asked to do. It was amazing.

                                        Then we moved out to the country. :::: I found a good personal trainer but it's a half-hour drive, so it never happens.
                                        All of this!

                                        I hate going to the gym, so I go see a personal trainer once a month. I have free weights and resistance bands at home. This mat changed my life. I work out and watch Netflix.

                                        SPRI Airex Cornella 200 Exercise Mat Extra Long Fitness Mat, Slate (79"L x 23"W x 0.6" Thick) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00CRU77JS..._bLMdCbZZVHDX2
                                        A helmet saved my life.

                                        2017 goal: learn to ride like TheHorseProblem, er, a barn rat!

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