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Dressage Finals: Who's There? Who's Watching on Livestream?

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    I chose not to go this year, but there are several from our barn over there.

    I probably would have gone had I qualified at both Third Level and Third Freestyle. But, it was one of those years where things just kept happening. Broken finger (me) and intestinal infection (my horse). Things that scratched us from three different qualifying shows I had planned. So anyway I only ended up invited based on Third Level and I decided not to travel that far for that. I really felt my Freestyle could be competitive but it was not to be, this year.

    Still, I am following my training group's scoring, and rooting for the team long distance, along with several other pairs from AZ. I think I know everyone who's there from our State this year.

    And I'm enjoying the Live Streaming, too. The I-1 classes included some of the top pairs from the HOY lists. It's interesting to see how very tactful riding can overcome less flashy gaits, and also, to see the reverse. I get to home my judge's eye a little bit.

    Tonight is the Open GP.

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    I’m watching! I’d dream of going some year but Regionals is a big enough (and expensive enough!) goal for me.

    I love having the live scoring of each movement on the screen. I feel like you get a mini judges clinic, getting a good feel for scoring of the movements that’s for sure.

    Realize it’s a scheduling nightmare for classes and such but I do wish they had some the lower level classes/freestyles in the Alltech and live-streamed. While I certainly appreciate the FEI classes and certainly the Grand Prix freestyles tomorrow night will be fun I think it was great to watch some of the lower level /AA championship classes in the ‘big rin’ Alltech. I know they have in past years so maybe they are just trying to rotate what classes are in there and livestream featured.

    Looks like from some posts it was a bit rainy today so the riders in the outside rings had some adversity to deal with and a far amount of scratches in the warm-up classes.

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      Enjoyed watching Adiah HP Grand Prix test! She looked like she was enjoying herself. I agree, would like to see some lower level tests. Seemed like they live-streamed more classes in previous years. Really liked the judge's commentary.

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        I believe that last year they broadcast all the Third and Fourth Level Freestyles. I wonder what led them to cut back this year on the amount of show being streamed.

        The I-1 Freestyles are in the ring now and the music is much too far from the microphones for the live feed, for it to even be enjoyable.

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          Is there somewhere you can get the scores for the Grand prix from Friday night and the freestyle from tonight?
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            Scores can be found here

            http://horseshowoffice.com/

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              I watched some of the GP classes and the thing that struck me the most was the empty stands. Granted, these are not Olympic caliber riders but I still would have expected more people.

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                Originally posted by JLR1 View Post
                I watched some of the GP classes and the thing that struck me the most was the empty stands. Granted, these are not Olympic caliber riders but I still would have expected more people.
                I think with most of the people being interested in such an event are also the riders, trainers, support staff, ect that have to be up bright and early for the next day and this class was run until 11pm. And it’s freezing out (not sure about the temp inside though). It kind of makes sense. I was surprised how many people were there between 10 and 11! Ironically I don’t think Lexington is an overwhelmingly large dressage community beyond the people already there showing.

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                  Originally posted by Silverbridge View Post
                  I wonder what led them to cut back this year on the amount of show being streamed.
                  Money. It costs tens of thousands per day to livestream.

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                    Originally posted by Snowdenfarm View Post

                    Money. It costs tens of thousands per day to livestream.
                    And who pays for that? Does that come out of the USEF membership pool money? Sponsors? The USEF Network covers A LOT of ground not only Dressage/eventing/SJ/Hunters/Gaited etc. So many events per year, which is great in my opinion. If it truly costs that much per day then where is the money coming from??

                    I’m enjoying watching the 3rd level Freestyles by the AA’s this morning. Some really good music choices this year. I am a bit surprised about how much bling people are sporting though! Wow!
                    Last edited by Aleuronx; Nov. 11, 2018, 10:47 AM. Reason: spelling, whoops!

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                      I really enjoyed the commentary - it’s like having a clinic on my couch! Always so much for me to learn. I also really enjoy seeing non-CDI Grand Prix classes. My eye isn’t educated enough to see much difference between the top rides internationally, but at a show like this I am more able to spot the things that make one score higher than another.

                      There were some really exceptional horses but I also appreciated seeing so many lovely rides on relatively unimpressive horses. And I say that wth all due respect as the owner of an extremely unimpressive horse. It’s nice to see that good riding, correct (but not necessarily spectacular) gaits and well-executed tests can get you to the national finals on a variety of breeds and types of horses. Such a pleasure to watch!

                      And I really enjoyed seeing people I “know” from forums or Instagram competing. It’s nice to see them “in person.”

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                        Originally posted by Aleuronx View Post

                        And who pays for that? Does that come out of the USEF membership pool money? Sponsors? The USEF Network covers A LOT of ground not only Dressage/eventing/SJ/Hunters/Gaited etc. So many events per year, which is great in my opinion. If it truly costs that much per day then where is the money coming from??
                        No idea where the money comes from. I have personal knowledge of the cost to live stream.

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                          Originally posted by Snowdenfarm View Post

                          No idea where the money comes from. I have personal knowledge of the cost to live stream.
                          Had no idea it was so costly. Money probably comes from sponsorship money. It definitely would not come from USEF membership money.

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                            Equithrive has their logo on the livestream so perhaps they sponsored it? And I assume Adequan invested significant $$ for the title sponsorship of the show.

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                              Originally posted by Snowdenfarm View Post

                              Money. It costs tens of thousands per day to livestream.
                              Shoot, I'd also be willing to wait a day to see it, then! Seeing the ride with the scores, PLUS the commentary can be quite educational. (Although I feel like the commentary this go-round was frequently lacking in insight.) I would be happy to wait a day if it made it cheaper!

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                                Originally posted by BigMama1 View Post
                                There were some really exceptional horses but I also appreciated seeing so many lovely rides on relatively unimpressive horses. And I say that wth all due respect as the owner of an extremely unimpressive horse. It’s nice to see that good riding, correct (but not necessarily spectacular) gaits and well-executed tests can get you to the national finals on a variety of breeds and types of horses. Such a pleasure to watch!

                                And I really enjoyed seeing people I “know” from forums or Instagram competing. It’s nice to see them “in person.”
                                AGREE ! After reading so many comments over the years about "needing" a FANCY warmblood, this does support the reality that you dont NEED a fancy warmblood. You do need to be able to ride your horse to the best of its ability.

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                                  Originally posted by Feathered_Feet View Post

                                  Shoot, I'd also be willing to wait a day to see it, then! Seeing the ride with the scores, PLUS the commentary can be quite educational. (Although I feel like the commentary this go-round was frequently lacking in insight.) I would be happy to wait a day if it made it cheaper!
                                  I found it interesting that once I realized she was on the long side and we were watching from the short side, it really showed you the difference in perspective! (I only got to see a small number of rides with Kathy Connelly commentary.) I really love the commentary, though I think the commentators are *rightly* extra kind, so you do have to take it with a grain of salt. When you're talking international competitions with the top in the world, you can pick at all the little things - but when you're looking at people who spent their own dollars to travel across the country for love of their hobby, you should absolutely be kinder in public commentary. Balancing education with kindness becomes harder, and I would much rather more kindness than too little.
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                                    Originally posted by netg View Post

                                    I really love the commentary, though I think the commentators are *rightly* extra kind, so you do have to take it with a grain of salt. When you're talking international competitions with the top in the world, you can pick at all the little things - but when you're looking at people who spent their own dollars to travel across the country for love of their hobby, you should absolutely be kinder in public commentary. Balancing education with kindness becomes harder, and I would much rather more kindness than too little.
                                    I get it, but I still wish people could maybe not take things so personally for just a bit. We already know how you did - they're showing us the scores as you ride. Just now tell us why that pirouette was a 4, and not a 6. Saying the haunches swung out, or lost rhythm doesn't make you (the rider) a bad person! It just explains the scores (that we're already seeing). I could see it being a bit discouraging for an amateur that has limited time in the saddle, etc. etc. (I'm an amateur, I get it), but at least for the open classes it would be nice and educational for the rest of us.

                                    That being said, obviously the commentator shouldn't be nasty - just objective and matter-of-fact. No need to say the haunches swung out because the rider is awful! (This is all hypothetical, obviously )

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                                      Originally posted by Aleuronx View Post

                                      I am a bit surprised about how much bling people are sporting though! Wow!
                                      I scribed the whole show. This was the case though a whole lot of divisions. Tons of bridle and saddle bling along with saddles pads, boots, spur straps, helmets and definitely coats. I love that we have gotten past the whole black coat thing, but I hope it doesn't get too "western" bling. And you really need to have someone critically look at you on the horse really riding. There were some examples of browbands and/or helmets and/or jackets really highlighting some issues either with the horse or with the rider's position.

                                      For example - if your horse is having a issue right now with steady head position, maybe put the solid diamond crystal browband away for a little while. Or if you don't sit 100% straight, maybe not have a dark jacket with white piping down the seams of the back.

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