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    It is clear that this post has not had the intended effect on readers. I deeply apologize to anyone that I have hurt.

    I merely intended a humorous and exasperated post to have a laugh with other dressage-crazy people. I truly did not mean for it to come off as "holier-than-thou". I have had some terrible tests in my past as well! I distinctly remember a fat 40% (yes, you read that right, no it was not an eventing score) when my horse decided he was having a bad day.

    I hope you all have a wonderful day and a successful show season.
    Last edited by samwoww7; Jun. 13, 2018, 09:40 AM.
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    see apology above
    Last edited by samwoww7; Jun. 13, 2018, 09:38 AM.

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    • #3
      Why would your head hurt from writing that so much? You are at a schooling show, people are schooling.

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      • #4
        Don't grip the pen so tightly :-) This weekend I wrote "Geometry!" more than a couple of times.

        Years ago when scribing at the regional championships, one judge just said "write that thing again" regarding geometry. We were on the side and "that thing" was "The 20 meter circle does not go to I and L, you rode a 24 meter egg"

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        • #5
          It's sanctimonious posts like this that make me want to quit dressage entirely. Sometimes we all have off days. Usually we know we have embarrassed ourselves in public. We hope against hope that the person in the judge's box is kind and realizes we are trying our best and notes our errors without thinking we're lazy, stupid, or ignorant.

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          • #6
            This is why scribing is so useful for the next time YOU show

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            • #7
              You do realize that things happen in the show environment that can cancel out a lot of practice at home? Like horse is p!$$ed that you woke him up from a nap, the show committe dumped all the left over palm plants right by A for some godforsaken reason, or the fairgrounds crew decided to water the ring next to where you are riding (would not have been a problem except this water truck shoots the water out of the top like a giant fountain).

              These are all things that caused my somewhat tense horse to make fractals, not circles.

              So so be a little more charitable, we can know a lot and things still not go to plan.

              ETA: or as my current trainer says: you think this horse is so easy to ride, YOU get out there and try it!
              Last edited by oldernewbie; Jun. 12, 2018, 10:42 PM.

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              • #8
                Yeah, we lazy buggers.,. Working all week, getting up at sparrow fart, bathing, braiding, dressing correctly (you know, that stuff we do out of respect for the judge and other show officials...) driving to the show, tacking up, warming up in 90 degree heat, getting our butts actually down centerline... what's wrong with us that we can't manage perfection in all things? I'm so sorry. We don't deserve your time, obviously.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by samwoww7 View Post
                  So I've been scribing at schooling shows regularly, and countless riders are throwing points for geometry and precision. So, I just have to vent a bit. What are some of the things you can't stand to see at a show?


                  Why on earth are you showing if you cannot ride a 20m, 15m, or 10m circle?! It's a circle! Not a diamond or a spiral!

                  A circle does *not* have corners, people!

                  In that same vein, who allowed you to go this long without knowing that riding a diagonal is not corner to corner- it is letter to letter?

                  Three loop serpentines are 3 half circles, not diagonal lines.

                  A half pass is not a leg yield. How are you showing third level without knowing what a half pass is?!

                  Why don't you know where X is? Why don't you know the centerline means down the center??

                  A walk pirouette is not a pivot.


                  *sigh* my hand still hurts from writing these same things over and over and over. For the sake of us scribes, please just know your test and ride with impulsion. GEOMETRY MATTERS PEOPLE.
                  1, Unnecessary introductory word in first sentence. Comma missing; a comma would have at least given this word the same punctuation it has in subsequent sentences.

                  2, Two many line spaces between first and second paragraphs. Incorrect; also inconsistent with line spacing between subsequent paragraphs. Second sentence should be combined with following phrase to make one complete sentence, i.e., "It's a circle, not a diamond or a spiral!"

                  3. Fourth paragraph -- incorrect use of hyphen for dash. See example, this sentence.

                  4. Fifth paragraph -- inconsistent numbering. "Three loop serpentines are three half circles, not [three] diagonal lines."

                  5. "Third Level" should be capitalized.

                  6. I do know where X is. I do know that "down centerline" means down the center of the arena.

                  7. Too many line spaces between penultimate and ultimate paragraphs.

                  8. "*sigh*" should have a capital S. Incorrect punctuation in final sentence. It should read: "GEOMETRY MATTERS, PEOPLE."

                  "The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." -- George Bernard Shaw

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by scruffy the cat View Post
                    It's sanctimonious posts like this that make me want to quit dressage entirely. Sometimes we all have off days. Usually we know we have embarrassed ourselves in public. We hope against hope that the person in the judge's box is kind and realizes we are trying our best and notes our errors without thinking we're lazy, stupid, or ignorant.
                    So glad I'm not trying to ride dressage anymore. Sad to know that it's not only the judge judging my lack of perfection; it's also the scribe.

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                    • #11
                      I guess I need to apologize for my hubby who rides a horse that sometimes gets very keyed up in the show environment paired with a newby dressage rider. Yes, they are perfectly capable of riding 20 , 15 meter circles and correct diagonals at home. However, at a show, things can go a little off the rails. He does not get the same ride that he has at home. But he’s out there trying! How else will we ever improve and learn how to ride our horse in a show atmosphere? So I am sorry that we are taxing your hand, writing repetitive comments.

                      Frankly, I think everyone putting themselves out there and showing, should get a thumbs up, high five, etc. Things don’t go perfect at a show. I’ve had my own unintended geometry in the ring and have gotten the comment: “tactfully ridden” during those messy moments. Thankfully the judge and scribe were clearly kinder and gentler!
                      Last edited by slp2; Jun. 13, 2018, 12:13 AM.

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                      • #12
                        These complaints and the compulsion to air them here, in this way, and with apology are more than pet peeves. They’re evidence of a warped and self-aggrandizing view of how competition works. Of how riding works. Of how humanity works.

                        You’ll be a happier person when you lower your expectations of other people and raise your expectations of yourself. Probably not just in the equestrian world.


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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by samwoww7 View Post
                          So I've been scribing at schooling shows regularly, and countless riders are throwing points for geometry and precision. So, I just have to vent a bit. What are some of the things you can't stand to see at a show?


                          Why on earth are you showing if you cannot ride a 20m, 15m, or 10m circle?! It's a circle! Not a diamond or a spiral!

                          A circle does *not* have corners, people!

                          In that same vein, who allowed you to go this long without knowing that riding a diagonal is not corner to corner- it is letter to letter?

                          Three loop serpentines are 3 half circles, not diagonal lines.

                          A half pass is not a leg yield. How are you showing third level without knowing what a half pass is?!

                          Why don't you know where X is? Why don't you know the centerline means down the center??

                          A walk pirouette is not a pivot.


                          *sigh* my hand still hurts from writing these same things over and over and over. For the sake of us scribes, please just know your test and ride with impulsion. GEOMETRY MATTERS PEOPLE.
                          Gosh - did you scribe for me last weekend? I remember saying no corners in circles, no diagonal lines in serps, I was at E, so many many 'halt almost square, but well before or beyond X'.
                          I read the OP as not a 'I am better than you', but rather a 'hey, this stuff is easy to fix'
                          www.settlementfarm.us

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by dotneko View Post

                            Gosh - did you scribe for me last weekend? I remember saying no corners in circles, no diagonal lines in serps, I was at E, so many many 'halt almost square, but well before or beyond X'.
                            I read the OP as not a 'I am better than you', but rather a 'hey, this stuff is easy to fix'
                            You know, I did get the OP’s point but what I think a lot of us are saying is... there may be a reason beyond laziness or stupidity that would keep someone from doing things correctly. When my horse was good, he was great. When he was bad he was awful.

                            Give people the the benefit of the doubt...

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by dotneko View Post

                              Gosh - did you scribe for me last weekend? I remember saying no corners in circles, no diagonal lines in serps, I was at E, so many many 'halt almost square, but well before or beyond X'.
                              I read the OP as not a 'I am better than you', but rather a 'hey, this stuff is easy to fix'
                              I did not read it that way. Her patronizing tone was what gave it away.

                              By the way, I was at that show, and I showed in the ring over from where you were judging and am active in that organization. I'm interested to know you felt the same way as the OP.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by scruffy the cat View Post

                                I did not read it that way. Her patronizing tone was what gave it away.

                                By the way, I was at that show, and I showed in the ring over from where you were judging and am active in that organization. I'm interested to know you felt the same way as the OP.
                                Would you rather I not comment on the things I mentioned?
                                www.settlementfarm.us

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by dotneko View Post

                                  Would you rather I not comment on the things I mentioned?
                                  FWIW, I showed in front of you a few weeks ago and found your comments very helpful and kind.

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                                  • #18
                                    If dressage were that easy, we wouldn't need schooling shows.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by dotneko View Post

                                      Would you rather I not comment on the things I mentioned?

                                      I have no issue with truthful and fair comments on tests. The more the judge says, the better I can learn.
                                      I do have an issue with the OP's patronizing tone and was a little shocked that you, as an S judge, agreed with her. If you only did it because you hope that riders understand how they can improve their scores, fine. But if you agreed with her because you also agree that the riders in front of you are lazy and ignorant, then no. I don't believe you should comment on that.

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                                      • #20
                                        I know what a 20 meter circle is, but if my horse decides he's going to shy at something in the bushes and flatten it, or gets too strong and blows through my outside rein and turns it into an oval, that's all just how things go at shows. Do you really think we practice at home with the intention of screwing it up at shows? Hell, if my horse did his tests at shows the way he schools at home, we'd win every time.

                                        On the flip side of your corner comment, I try to gain points by riding my corners when no circle is involved rather than follow the tracks of all the riders before me. Never once have I ever seen the comment, "nice use of corner". If there's nothing in it for me going that little bit deeper and risking losing impulsion, why bother?
                                        "Do what you can't do"

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