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so who DOES do Passier trees?

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  • so who DOES do Passier trees?

    Aren't you positively sick of me by now?

    The Passier.de website gives me lots of *dealers*... but how do I find someone who really widens Passier trees?

    My saddler says she can, but from folks here I've gathered you really are supposed to do Passier trees differently than the standard? (the gullet plate is resin or some such?)

    I found a guy in Canada, but not sure how you get around the whole shipping/customs thing if you're shipping back and forth over the border?

    Treeless was MUCH EASIER.
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    passier trees are done the same as others. and the gullet plate is not resin that i have heard of. If your shipping over the border it's just important to write that its "for repair"

    There are several places in canada who do it- regal saddlery, Barh saddlery (who's sister company Can-Pro is the passier distributor of canada).

    they are widened with the tree press just like any other saddle with a metal gullet plate (and ideally best done for those with the HS gullet plate) and ideally should have the panels dropped for a the best chance of a syemetric adjustment.

    KEIFFERS require a different style of adjustment using a UV 'gun' that softens the tree then allows it to be widened
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    • #3
      My hero.... Michael Dainton

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        vfx, website isn't there...

        do you have contact info? (preferably email, since I work nights... but for this I'll call )

        NeVar, thanks... the thing is, I've been told repeatedly that you have quite a bit of adjustment in Passier trees, and yet my saddler is saying a cm or two is all she thinks she can get out of it... one person on my last post widened one significantly more than that. I'm hoping to go from #4 to a bit wider than #5.

        When you say the panels 'dropped off' do you mean just the panels where the wool stuffing goes? I plan to have a restuff done anyway as it's probably never been done to this saddle...

        thank you.
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        • #5
          There's a guy in NC who is authorized by Passier ... David ... Young? He did a nice job on a friend's saddle. If you call Rick's Heritage, they can give you the correct name & number. http://www.saddlesource.com

          Euro-American in FL can also do Passier trees. I sent my old Passier to them several times with good results.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by vxf111 View Post
            My hero.... Michael Dainton

            www.rideanddrivesaddlery.com
            It's www.rideanddriveinternational.com

            And I 2nd Michael Dainton - he's wonderful.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by CBudzisch View Post
              It's www.rideanddriveinternational.com

              And I 2nd Michael Dainton - he's wonderful.
              3rd. I hauled my pony there with saddle (I'm only about an hour and a half from him), the did a fitting in the trailer (they're on a busy road ) and they sent the saddle back to me about a week later. Very happy.
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              • #8
                Schuittemacher ( sp?) in Vancouver specializes in repair and fitting of Passiers. His work is well regarded locally as topnotch.
                The PS-Baum tree can be widened by any competent saddler, but I don't know about the newer synthetic or laminate trees.
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                • #9
                  I have regularly shipped saddles to and from Fred Schoitamaker in Vancouver. Never had any problem with shipping. You have to declare on the shipping label what is in that box. Any inquiring minds can then scans the box and their scan will show something shaped very much like a saddle.

                  NO PROBLEM.

                  Most Passier trees are bamboo layered and pieced together.

                  Some of the newer models (OPTIMUM and others) DO have a resin tree. You will have to check with a highly connected pro (like Fred or others mentioned here) to find out what options remain for their resin tree-d saddles.

                  I have also heard that the bamboo trees do not offer as much adjustment as other types (resin). That might be why someone else got a bigger adjustment than what your saddle told you she could perform.

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                    Thanks for the great info folks. Emails sent.

                    It is an Ancient PT. It's a PS Baum tree (the bamboo/layers, no?) I'd been told the OLDEST trees can adjust more than the early synthetic tree... perhaps the newest ones are different again.

                    Just once, I want a NORMAL horse to fit a saddle to. Haven't had one since the late '80s.

                    VERY interesting that Fred shows he still stocks & sells the PT model! I'm sure it is way, way more than I can afford... but someone DOES still have them!
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by magnum View Post
                      Some of the newer models (OPTIMUM and others) DO have a resin tree. You will have to check with a highly connected pro (like Fred or others mentioned here) to find out what options remain for their resin tree-d saddles.
                      My older Passier had a synthetic tree and the 2 guys I mentioned above can adjust them. It just takes a special machine (or so I'm told).
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                      • #12
                        Contact Passier and ask them who they recommend to alter a tree on your specific model. My friend did just that and was referred to someone in SC. He did the work by wither tracings and I *think* he reflocked it too. She was very pleased, though she did spend somethign like $225, and this was several years ago.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by pintopiaffe View Post
                          Thanks for the great info folks. Emails sent.
                          I would call Michael Dainton instead. He is a busy guy and tends to be slow on the e-mails, but returns calls relatively promptly, so if you want to hear from him by this weekend, a phone call is in order.

                          He is excellent and won't try to upsell you. I liked him very much when I was saddle hunting and contacted him.
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                            #14

                            Contact Passier and ask them who they recommend to alter a tree on your specific model.
                            Did just that! Wanted the info on the saddle anyway.

                            Just got a referal to someone in SC--probably the same? That's a GREAT price for both widening *and* restuffing!

                            I do really, really appreciate all the info! I knew I could count on CotH for great contacts!
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                            • #15
                              David Young is somewhere in SC now.
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                                Originally posted by retrofit View Post
                                There's a guy in NC who is authorized by Passier ... David ... Young? He did a nice job on a friend's saddle. If you call Rick's Heritage, they can give you the correct name & number. http://www.saddlesource.com

                                Euro-American in FL can also do Passier trees. I sent my old Passier to them several times with good results.
                                http://www.eurosaddlery.com
                                Actually I believe Rick's Heritage now does it themselves as Charlie (the manager in NJ) told me they had purchased the machinery to do it. As far as I know they are approved to do it and do it fast. Call and ask, it can't hurt right?
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                                • #17
                                  Call Kitty at L'Apogee Saddles.She knows a guy who widens saddles.She's very nice and I belive she can help you
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