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Does your dog travel in the bed of your pick-up truck?

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  • Does your dog travel in the bed of your pick-up truck?

    I don't want to be a nouveau country girl and over-react. I mean, I see soooo many dogs in the beds of pick-up trucks... that many people can't be wrong. Right?

    It almost makes me physically ill to see it. Yet the dogs look happy as can be, and I've yet to see one jump. Is it possible that it is NOT horribly dangerous, neglectful and cruel?

    Don't get me started about the dogs that are CHAINED in the backs of pick-ups. That makes it certain the dog will hang itself when it jumps, instead of perhaps making a soft, non-fatal landing.

    So I know how *I* feel about it, and now you do too. Am I nuts, or do you agree with me about this practice?
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    JoZ--I know down here, it may just be our county, but I think it is a state law, dogs must be secured (tied/chained) in the backs of open vehicles. Not sure how often it is enforced. I get sick seeing dogs bouncing around, hanging over the edge or, god help them, standing on the cargo boxes in the back of a rig. I've seen one fall out around a corner at a light. About gave me a heart attack.

    My friend who works at our large dog/cat vet has treated many dogs who fall or are flung out of trucks. Many live. Some are so badly hurt they are put down. Some owners care. One guy? He just shrugs and gets another dog.
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    • #3
      Of course not- there's no soft seats or AC back there!


      • #4
        Originally posted by JoZ View Post
        that many people can't be wrong. Right?
        Sure they can.

        It's illegal in a number of states, and for good reason.

        The dog is a goner in even a mild fender bender.

        If people are going to tether them in the bed of a pickup, then using a harness and a cross-tether makes the most sense.

        People are idiots, and the animals pay for it.


        • #5
          In CT it's illegal unless the dog is crated and the crate secured.

          Yes, many dogs love being out in the wind. And yes, lots of them will be fine most of the time. IMO, still not worth the risk.

          Say you're driving and something your dog can not resist goes by...like another dog, a rabbit, a deer, a cat...and dog jumps out of moving truck? If he's leashed he may be strangled. If not he may just crash on landing or get hit by another vehicle.

          I also get nervous when I see folks who have their windows all the way down and the dog is leaning way out.
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          • #6
            Hell, down here people, kids included, are seen riding in the back of pickups all the time, even on the highway.

            I hate it.

            The only place my dogs ever ride in the bed of the truck is at home on my measly 13 acres. Sometimes I take the truck up to the top of the property to do some work, and the older dog doesn't need to hike up the hill so I boost her into the back. She lies down immediately, and we're going at about 3 mph. Never ever would I put them back there to drive on the road!


            • #7
              Originally posted by JoZ View Post
              Don't get me started about the dogs that are CHAINED in the backs of pick-ups. That makes it certain the dog will hang itself when it jumps, instead of perhaps making a soft, non-fatal landing.

              WAY safer than being loose. There is no such thing as a soft, non-fatal landing when jumping out of a moving truck, especially when going down the freeway.

              I hate seeing them loose in the back. Typically when I see them chained the chain is short enough that the dog couldn't jump out the side. For the same reasons that you should never have a horse going down the freeway with it's head stuck out of the side of your trailer, it's ridiculously dangerous to drive down the road with a dog open in the back. Imagine one small piece of debris thrown up by the vehicle in front - right into your horse or dog's face.


              • #8
                Eek, no. Sounds scary- the last thing you want if you have a crash is x number of pounds of dog coming through the back window. I doubt it would do either of you any good.

                My dogs go on the back seat, tethered with a car harness that clips into the seatbelt port.

                There's just too much chance of something going wrong with a dog in the bed. What happens if he jumps out and causes a crash?
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                • #9
                  Only if I want my dog to die. Which generally one does not. Lots of people do it here too, but doesn't make it a good idea. I even saw one dog standing ON THE CAB of the truck while the truck went down the road about 45 mph. I closed my eyes.
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                  • #10
                    I think it is illegal around here.
                    It is not enforced, but it is on the news enough that you don't see many any more, people know it is wrong and few like to be honked at and chastised by strangers driving by.
                    Peer pressure at work.

                    If they put their kids there, well, Darwin at work.

                    We have never put dogs in the pickup beds, it is a no brainer.
                    We used to train border collies and raise puppies for a local breeder, that won much with them, including the Cattle Dog Futurity and he would absolutely not sell a dog to someone that would not guarantee him they would not put the dog in the back of the pickup and that was 30 years ago.

                    I also think less farmers have dogs any more, or time to take them with them all the time and if they do, they care for those dogs enough not to put them in harm's way.


                    • #11
                      Not in the back of the pick-up but in my Wrangler with the top down. Not the current kids as they are not trustworthy but my last Dobe. I looped his leash short enough around the centre console that he would not be able to get over the side. Was never a problem. It was also usually for short trips around town, never on the highway.
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                      • #12
                        Ugh I can't stand seeing dogs in the back of a pick up- makes me crazy. And when I've b!tched at people who I know have done it, the reason is always "the dog likes it" sheesh!!!
                        I have a no living critters in the back of my truck rule- including people- I actually had a cousin that died from being bounced out of the back of a truck that was just being driven around a field, not even on the road
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                        • #13

                          The dogs ride in the back of the pickup to go to the lake which is about 30 min away. The bed has truck boxes down each side. They cannot hang their heads over the side.

                          They also ride in the 71 Bronco that doesn't have shoulder belts Soap rides in the backseat, Noodle in the passenger seat.

                          You can puke all you want, those are my dogs. And those are my choices.


                          • #14
                            I know a woman who lost her adult son who was helping her move a mile down the rd and and was bounced out of a PU bed. I can't imagine putting any living creature unsecured in the back of PU bed. The hunting people I know all secure their crates in the bed.
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                            • #15
                              Twenty-odd years ago my DH and his buddy loaded up the pickup with welding bottles and the dog hopped in back there too. The welding bottles shifted, the buddy slowed way down but the dog bailed anyway, hit the pavement and ran off. It was roughly 24 hours later after a sleepless night of the whole family slowly driving the route and calling that the dog showed up at home. Scraped up, missing a couple of teeth and VERY sore.
                              Other people may do what they want, we stuff our dog in a crate when he rides in the car or truck.
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                              • #16
                                No living animal gets into any of my vehicles without being properly contained or secured. Humans all wear seat belts. I don't care if you're 50 years old riding in my back seat. You wear your seat belt. Cats and small dogs ride in hard shell crates on the floor of the back seat. Larger dogs wear a harness that attaches to the back seat seat belts. Loose animals in cars drive me nuts -- Not only is it dangerous for the animal, in the event of an accident, an animal projectile could also be extremely dangerous for the people in the car.

                                No animal rides in the bed of my truck ever. Period. The only way I can see this being safe is if the animal is in a crate and the crate is secured. Even then, that won't be happening in my truck unless there is some kind of emergency that warrants it.


                                • #17
                                  illegal here in Canada too, but with so many other bonehead moves on the roads, the police are too busy to enforce it and it is not uncommon to see dogs unsecured, in the bed.
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                                  • #18
                                    Not cool. But where I live, I see not only dogs in the pickup beds, I see kids as well.
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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by horsetales View Post
                                      I know a woman who lost her adult son who was helping her move a mile down the rd and and was bounced out of a PU bed.
                                      That reminds me of a story: one group of locals were "truck surfing" - where one drives and one or two try to stand up in the back of the pickup while the pickup goes down the road. It was a number of years back, but I recall there being a fatality from this nearby. A "surfer" lost his balance, went over the edge of the truck, and that was it for them.
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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by MayS View Post
                                        That reminds me of a story: one group of locals were "truck surfing" - where one drives and one or two try to stand up in the back of the pickup while the pickup goes down the road. It was a number of years back, but I recall there being a fatality from this nearby. A "surfer" lost his balance, went over the edge of the truck, and that was it for them.
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