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  • Anybody know how to sedate a cow? (Update on page 2)

    One of our cows has somehow got bailing twine wrapped around her horn and ear and it has cut right into the ear. Normally she would follow a bucket of feed into the pen but today she was having none of it. She is obviously in pain and won't let us near her. We did stick down a handful of feed with 1.7ml of 10mg/ml ace - didn't know if that would work for cows but it works well for the horses! No effect. So, we gave her about another 0.6ml. She weighs around 600lbs so I was reckoning, per the bottle, that was the max that we should give her (2 - 4mg/100lbs). It had ZERO impact on her.

    I'll call the vet tomorrow but we don't have many large animal vets around here and most will only look at a cow if you can bring it in. We can't get her into the trailer without getting her into the pen and if we can get her into the pen we can probably get it off ourselves.

    Anyone got any ideas on how to make one hurting cow seriously sleepy?
    Last edited by Kate66; Jun. 25, 2010, 12:16 AM. Reason: Update

  • #2
    A friend of mine had a pet cow and her vet had her use xylazine when she needed work done.

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    • #3
      Yes, Rompun/Xylazine is used in cows but at a lower dose than for horses. Be careful as you can make them go down.

      Would a twitch work on a cow?

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      • #4
        Be *very* *careful* using xylazine in cattle.
        The amount that will sedate a horse will kill a cow.
        "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

        ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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        • #5
          Anyone around there that can rope?

          Could you find a cowboy, with good cowboy skills, that could drive the cow somewhere, even if she didn't want to go, or rope and pull her into a trailer, or into the pens?

          For mature cows, that weight closer or more than 1000 #, you can, with two ropers, heading and heeling, stretch her out and then you can treat her safely for all.
          Roping, done well, is not hurting a cow any.
          Good pasture ropers work their cattle at the end of a rope gently, like a fish on a line.

          If your cow is 600#, that is a very small cow.
          Maybe you are underdosing?

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            #6
            It is a very small cow - they are Dexters so max out at 42" height and about 750lbs.

            I don't know anyone who ropes around here unfortunately, although there must be thousands - heck, I am right here in the south of Texas. As I say, normally we have no issues getting this cow, she is the glutton of the herd and will chase of the rest for the bucket, so we know she really is feeling bad. I'll try the vet tomorrow and see if he'll sell me something without coming out. I really hate it, she's trying to scratch her ear with her back foot and just opening the wound right up.

            I am normally pretty good at getting the bailing twine out of the field, mostly because it messes up the mower, but that last bale just got away from me.

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            • #7
              Most large animal vets here are ropers in the weekend.
              Are you sure you can't find a large animal veterinarian in South TX?

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                #8
                There are 3 within about 50 miles. 1 has decided all he wants to do is equine dentistry, 1 seems to be cutting back and won't do a barn/farm call for a cow unless we have stocks (which we don't) and the 3rd had a heart attack last year, was out for a while, seems to now be working on his own and won't do any barn calls at all.

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                • #9
                  WHERE'S SLC2?!!?! Isn't this her specialty?

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                  • #10
                    You need to pen her somehow. Can you make something sturdy with your horse trailer or stock trailer, parking it close to a fence, and run her in there, like a chute, and reach down to get it?
                    Open or shut a gate, something where you can get her in some kind of restraint and get it off. Don't forget, you can get above a cow without danger, as they do not rear like horses but just watch yourself -- good thing for the tough teenager around to do!
                    No you can't twitch. If you can get a soft rope around her neck you can tie her hard to a post and try and cut the string off, that's the brute force way, though. And they can get all twisted up running around the post -- not the best.
                    You have to have some kind of stanchion to lock her head in. Do you have a cattle hoof trimmer you can call? They have portable pens and stands with headlocks, for trimming...do you have them in your area? Or can you ship her to a local dairy or sales yard, possibly with headlocks, and try to get it cut off there?
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                    • #11
                      http://www.drugs.com/vet/rompun-20-m...table-can.html

                      Rompun 20 mg/mL Injectable Indications: Cattle

                      Rompun is indicated in cattle to produce a state of sedation accompanied by a shorter period of analgesia. It has been used successfully as follows:

                      1. Diagnostic procedures - oral, vaginal and rectal examinations, as an aid in the collection of biopsies or blood samples and radiographic examinations.

                      2. Orthopedic procedures, such as application of casting materials and splints.

                      3. Dental procedures.

                      4. Minor surgical procedures of short duration such as debridement of wounds, dehorning, castration and suturing of skin lacerations.

                      5. Major surgical procedures when used in conjunction with local and epidural anesthetics - suturing of lacerations of the teat and udder, surgery of the penis and sheath, caesarean sections, hernia repairs, digital amputations and eye enucleations.

                      6. Hoof trimming and handling of fractious animals.

                      Rompun 20 mg/mL Injectable Dosage And Administration: Cattle

                      Intramuscularly - Range of 0.25 to 0.75 mL/100 lbs body weight (Equivalent to 0.05 to 0.15 mg/lb or 0.11 to 0.33 mg/kg).

                      Ruminants are more sensitive to Rompun than are other species in which the drug is indicated, and thus a much smaller dose is required per unit body weight to produce the desired effect.

                      The dosage of Rompun in the bovine species needed to achieve the desired effect varies between animals, depending largely upon the temperament of the individual animal. Quieter or more docile cattle will require a smaller dose to achieve the same effect. Rompun will often make the animal recumbent especially at the higher dose rates. Following injection of Rompun the animal should be allowed to rest quietly until the full effect has been reached.

                      Within the recommended dosage range, a range of effects can be achieved depending on the dose given. Low doses of Rompun produce a sedation and limited dermal analgesia while larger doses produce sedation, muscle relaxation and analgesia along with a sleep like state. This sleep like state, in conjunction with the sedation, analgesia and muscle relaxation described, produce recumbency and a true anaesthesia like condition under which many procedures may be carried out with or without local anaesthesia. Even high doses will not eliminate pain in the claws and lower limbs.

                      After intramuscular injection of Rompun the onset of sedation and analgesia follows in less than 10 minutes along with some incoordination. The duration of sedation and analgesia along with the ability to stand depends on the dose given. Duration of sedation and analgesia will vary from 30 minutes with low doses to 2 to 3 hours with higher doses.

                      Within the recommended dosage range Rompun can be used in conjunction with local anaesthetics such as procaine and lidocaine. Many procedures may be carried out using Rompun alone especially at the higher dose rates.

                      Side Effects: Cattle

                      Rompun used at recommended dosage levels may occasionally cause slight muscle tremors, bradycardia and a reduced respiratory rate. Temporary salivation, diuresis and ruminal stasis may be observed during the period of sedation. A transient, self-limiting diarrhea may occur 24 to 48 hours following administration.

                      Rompun 20 mg/mL Injectable Caution: Cattle

                      Careful consideration should be given before administering to cattle with significantly depressed respiration, severe pathologic heart disease, advanced liver or kidney disease, severe endotoxic or traumatic shock.

                      Special precautions should be taken when administered during warm environmental conditions as HYPERTHERMIA may occur. Proper aftercare must be provided for those cases. Always provide cool shade during the recovery period.

                      Do not use in pregnant animals as studies have not been completed to show its safety in all stages of pregnancy. Premature parturition and retained placenta have been reported in a limited number of cases where Rompun was administered during the last trimester of pregnancy.

                      Lateral recumbency is to be avoided during recovery due to increasing the possibilities of bloat, regurgitation and/or aspiration. Sternal recumbency is the appropriate recovery position. A 24-hour fast prior to injection will also reduce the incidence of bloat.

                      Do not use Rompun in conjunction with tranquilizers.

                      Following the use of Rompun, veterinarians and attendants should continue to use care and appropriate handling techniques, since conscious animals, although sedated, are capable of inflicting personal injury.

                      Safety

                      Rompun has been tolerated in cattle at 10 times the recommended dose. However, doses of this magnitude produced muscle tremors and long periods of sedation with careful surveillance necessary during the recovery period.

                      Warning

                      TREATED CATTLE MUST NOT BE SLAUGHTERED FOR USE IN FOOD FOR AT LEAST 3 DAYS AFTER THE LATEST TREATMENT WITH THIS DRUG. MILK TAKEN FROM TREATED ANIMALS DURING TREATMENT AND WITHIN 48 HOURS AFTER THE LATEST TREATMENT MUST NOT BE USED FOR FOOD.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by dmalbone View Post
                        WHERE'S SLC2?!!?! Isn't this her specialty?
                        That's what I first thought when I opened the thread!

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                        • Original Poster

                          #13
                          Thanks for all your responses.

                          Retreadeventer - "if" we could get her in a pen we could most likely handle this. All our cows are pretty docile and we are pretty efficient at getting them into the pen usually. However, this girl is in pain. Last night ALL the others trotted into the pen with no issue but we spent 2 hours in the open pasture, trying to coax, chase, feed to get this girl in and it isn't going to happen. That was why I went down the ace route. I put a decent amount in a handful of feed, which I have done numerous times with horses, and it had zero affect.

                          Equibrit - do you know if I can give the Rompun orally like the ace? I am not going to get close enough to her to get a needle into her, but can put down a feed pan and move away and she will take it.

                          Thanks again everyone. I'm really hoping this doesn't get infected.

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                          • #14
                            If you can get a good length of that orange plastic temporary construction fence http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=263602_263622 you can get several people holding it out in a line to help to encourage her into the pen. We've used this method several times and it works beautifully.
                            "My biggest fear is that when I die my husband is going to try to sell all my horses and tack for what I told him they cost."

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                            • #15
                              I nominate this for most enticing thread title of the week.... had to read it. Sorry, can't help.
                              Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans

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                              • #16
                                Elephant dart gun????

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                                • Original Poster

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by PRS View Post
                                  If you can get a good length of that orange plastic temporary construction fence http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=263602_263622 you can get several people holding it out in a line to help to encourage her into the pen. We've used this method several times and it works beautifully.
                                  Now this is a great idea. We did, unsuccessfully, try a 100' yellow extension cable, but 1) it was too heavy to keep up in the air across the span and 2) it didn't contain her or her buddies!

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                                  • #18
                                    I hope you are able to help her soon, poor thing....
                                    It is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."

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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by NE_Rider View Post
                                      I hope you are able to help her soon, poor thing....
                                      We are going to try the food route again tonight to get her into the pen, again. I have phoned the local vet about the Rompun and am hoping that he gets back with me today so that I can go and get some.

                                      She is undoubtedly in pain and I am worried that it could get horribly infected, especially at this time of year, in Texas with the heat, humidity and flies.

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                                      • #20
                                        Jingles for this cow ~ Jingle Jingle Jingle & AO ~ Always Optimistic !

                                        This is my first "cow Jingle " ~
                                        Zu Zu Bailey " IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE ! "

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