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Oat hay -- what is it like? And what is "dough stage"?

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  • Oat hay -- what is it like? And what is "dough stage"?

    Have you ever used oat hay? I'm about to google it to see if I can find out some nutritional info -- is it good for horses? Is it high or low sugar? So if someone wants to save me the trouble, that'd be great (especially since I am SUPPOSED to be working...).

    And I'm trying to figure out if this is a typo or simply something I don't understand -- this is from an oat hay ad: "No weeds, put up in mid to late dough stage"

    I'm picturing a bale rising like a loaf of bread but I'm sure that's not correct. I guess I HOPE that's not correct!
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  • #2
    Originally posted by JoZ View Post
    And I'm trying to figure out if this is a typo or simply something I don't understand -- this is from an oat hay ad: "No weeds, put up in mid to late dough stage"

    I'm picturing a bale rising like a loaf of bread but I'm sure that's not correct. I guess I HOPE that's not correct!
    Dough stage is something you just don't understand, it isn't a typo. Dough stage is when the kernel starts developing and is still soft enough to cut in half with a thumbnail. Hard dough is a little 'overcooked' for greenfeed aka oat hay, we used to put it up at soft to medium dough and the green is retained. Once hard dough is reached, the grain is already ripening a wee bit.

    Haven't fed greenfeed in years, but the horses loved the stuff

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    • #3
      Gads. I didn't know people even fed that anymore.

      Oat and alfalfa where the two choices, the ONLY two choices back where I was in the '70's. Oat is a tall stemmy grass with a loose bunch of seeds - oats of course - on top. It looks a lot like light green straw. The horses liked alfalfa better, oat was cheaper, at that time we never tested anything so I can't tell you about the NSC.

      I'd venture to say that it was the hay in CA because of the no-rain in the summer climate, which oats will tolerate, there is a native oat grass that turns yellow and dries up by about August, then starts the process over again in about February. I don't think you get but one cutting.
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      • #4
        Oat hay can be high in NSC,

        depending on exactly when it was cut and made.
        The term 'soft dough stage' refers to the grain, which should be soft enough to cut with a thumbnail if it is 'soft dough'.

        That's similar to 'milk stage' in grasses. EG before full grain ripening.

        I believe that it is a common and popular hay on the West Coast, where they have high summer temps and dry summers since it will grow in dry climates.

        It is sometimes combined with other cereal grains to make 3 way hay and sometime fed on it;'s own.

        It's a fairly nutritious hay since it is usually well made.

        It is sometimes called greenfeed.

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        • #5
          Yep, oat and alfalfa are the two most readily available types of hay here in northern California. I also see rye and things like "triple mix" (oat, barley, and rye) mixed hays.

          Horse Journal published an analysis on oat hay a couple of years ago, which I have blessed repeatedly. Thumbnail sketch: 15lbs oat hay + 3 lbs alfalfa/day constitutes a Ca/P-balanced ration for a typical 1000lb horse.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by JoZ View Post

            And I'm trying to figure out if this is a typo or simply something I don't understand -- this is from an oat hay ad: "No weeds, put up in mid to late dough stage"

            dough refers to the hardness (or lack there of) in the seed head it can be very nice hay

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            • #7
              Horses love oat hay, the human feeders hate it!!! It is only slightly less itchy to deal with than fiberglass.