• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.



Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Ceiling or no Ceiling in a southern climate?

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Ceiling or no Ceiling in a southern climate?

    Building a barn in SC, where summers can be HOT!

    Would you put in a ceiling, and insulate above it, or would you keep it open to the roof line, and insulate that?

    Which is cooler? in southern mind opinions?

    I have seen both in the area, but would like to hear from people who live there,
    save lives...spay/neuter/geld

  • #2
    Open to the roof with insulation up there. Also make sure you have roof vents and fans.
    ... _. ._ .._. .._


    • #3
      Moisture was a huge problem in the barn I leased with a ceiling. I lost count of how many times the bricks in the aisle looked like they'd been hosed down. There was typically a nice breeze through the barn and fans for all the stalls, so heat wasn't an issuem. I don't know if it was specifically the ceiling that caused the moisture, but it definitely didn't vent as well as the open barns I've boarded at down here.

      Also, make sure to put some kind of deterrent over the insulation. There's a really nice barn around here that didn't do that and the birds are constantly tearing down the insulation. It really detreacts from what is otherwise a pretty barn (on top of the obvious problems with birds tearing down insulation).
      A lovely horse is always an experience.... It is an emotional experience of the kind that is spoiled by words. ~Beryl Markham


      • #4
        Open through the rafters and good vents under the edges of the rafters and at each gable. You want the heat to vent out the top of the walls and get as much airflow as possible. I live in Georgia and my barn is open through the rafters with the top of the walls not meeting the bottom of the rafters leaving an open area for good air flow. I have no issues with rain water entering the barn and it stays well ventilated.
        "My biggest fear is that when I die my husband is going to try to sell all my horses and tack for what I told him they cost."


        • Original Poster

          Thanks all. I was leaning towards the open ceiling to the roof and thanks for all giving me the reasons why its important.

          Wondering about the deterrent for the insulation for the birds...what do you mean or what would you suggest?
          save lives...spay/neuter/geld


          • #6
            I say lower ceilings because it keeps birds from moving in. Maybe have the ceilings lower, but high enough you can put in some fans? Those would deter birds, right?
            Tru : April 14, 1996 - March 14, 2011
            Thank you for everything boy.

            Better View.


            • #7
              Originally posted by fivehorses View Post
              Thanks all. I was leaning towards the open ceiling to the roof and thanks for all giving me the reasons why its important.

              Wondering about the deterrent for the insulation for the birds...what do you mean or what would you suggest?
              I don't have a problem with birds nesting in my rafters. They roost in there occasionally but they are not a huge problem. I actually have more problem with squirrels wanting to nest in my wall voids.
              "My biggest fear is that when I die my husband is going to try to sell all my horses and tack for what I told him they cost."


              • #8
                I don't know how common the birds tearing down the insulation is, all I know is I would be livid if they were doing that to my barn.

                I don't think anything short of a small wire mesh (something like this http://www.twpinc.com/twpinc/control...y_id=TWPCAT_14) would deter them, but I'm sure there are other options. Fans and fake owls did nothing. Workers knocked down nests just about on a daily basis. I haven't boarded there for years but went out with a friend who boarded there a few years after I left and the insulation was completely torn down in some spots.

                Like I said, I don't know how common this is, but certainly something to be aware of.
                A lovely horse is always an experience.... It is an emotional experience of the kind that is spoiled by words. ~Beryl Markham


                • #9
                  The best way to let the hot air out of the top is a ridge vent, which a bird can't negotiate. I had these http://www.mpvent.com/products/ContVent/contvent.html which you could open and close. Air curtains over your aisle doors deter birds and flies.
                  Last edited by Equibrit; Feb. 27, 2010, 10:45 PM.
                  ... _. ._ .._. .._


                  • #10
                    Are you going to be building where there are no trees for shade?


                    • Original Poster

                      There are very few trees, a few jack oaks...which are just scrubby trees and some lone pines.
                      Its one giant field, so there really is no shade, unfortunately.

                      I know I can deal with the heat(or so I think). It is the sun that has been brutal whenever I have been there.
                      Plus, I have a few drafts and worry about them in the heat.

                      Curious too about fans. I have seen the fans installed in the corner facing down above the stalls. Wondering if installing paddle/ceiling fans above the stalls would be better. That way, I could blow down into the stall or reverse the blades to draw the heat up towards the roof. Or I suppose I could do both and really make the electrician and electric company happy!

                      I am building this from the north with no experience in a hot climate, and really want to do this right and appreciate the insight of those living in that climate.

                      Anyone moving north, I will be more than happy to explain the needs for a northern climate! LOL

                      Equibrit...that is interesting. The ridge vent link. I am including that to the builder. I am putting in cupolas as well as a ridge vent and louvers on the sides under the gables.
                      I understand air flow and especially want to make this cool for my horses.
                      Fortunately, I think there is always a decent breeze. But on those awful hot days when there is no breeze, we need to make one or encourage what little air flow there might be.
                      PRS, that was a good idea making the space under the rafters and on the stall walls a bit larger for better airflow.
                      Thanks all.
                      save lives...spay/neuter/geld


                      • #12
                        Birds eat bugs I love having my barn swallows nest in my barn...
                        "As a rule we disbelieve all the facts and theories for which we have no use."- William James

                        Proud member of the Wheat Loss Clique.


                        • #13
                          Definitely open rafters. I believe there is insulation now that looks like plywood that can go between the roof and the rafters. I have the bags and the squirrels try to come in and pick it apart.

                          Also of course face your aisle so that the prevailing winds go down the aisle. I have overhangs on both sides of the barn and that helps with shade (and rain!)

                          I love red barns but did a light roof/light walls to help keep it cool.


                          • #14
                            Darn, I'm very sorry to hear there are no trees to help shade your new barn...they're the best thing, even putting up with dropped branches is worth it.

                            I think really good ideas have been offered. I don't have ceiling insulation in my barn but might do so if it weren't nestled under some really big oaks.

                            As for fans, my barn has a cement aisle and I've found it much more effective to set fans outside the stalls in the aisle, blowing air from the ground up into the stall (the round type on a tripod-ish base that tilt up). I guess this would be difficult if you don't use stall webbing and have solid stall doors I've heard of putting the same "attic fan" that people have in their homes, into barn lofts to suck air up. Maybe something like that right under a cupola or roof vent would be an idea?


                            • #15
                              Ceiling fans that are made for exterior use.
                              ... _. ._ .._. .._


                              • #16
                                Originally posted by rodawn
                                Birds are a minor inconvenience. Other than visual mess of droppings on the floor they are not really much of a problem. You could try installing mesh on the tops of the rafters, but that might be tricky and sometimes they still find a way up there anyway.

                                The whole point to having it open to the roof and rafters is air flow and ventilation. The more air flow and ventilation, the healthier your horses are. Poor ventilation = too much moisture build-up, which leads to mold, which leads to lung problems. Even in the colder north, we leave the barns open right up to the roofline and encourage massive ventilation.

                                I was always under the impression that birds were seriously unwelcome because they can carry diseases. Not just poop. lol
                                Tru : April 14, 1996 - March 14, 2011
                                Thank you for everything boy.

                                Better View.


                                • #17
                                  I don't think it's possible to have too much ventilation anywhere South from here. We have an open clerestory 3' tall protected by a 4' overhang on both sides of the aisleway above the stall fronts. The underside of the roof over the aisleway is about 20' tall. The only insulation we have anywhere is the tackroom.


                                  • Original Poster

                                    Tom, do you have a metal roof or shingles?

                                    I was told the metal roof without insulation would heat the barn, and the insulation protects that a bit.
                                    save lives...spay/neuter/geld


                                    • #19
                                      Open to the roof, maybe insulate....but use something solid, not pink stuff that birds and besties can nest in. Because they will, even if you cover it with wood.... they will find a way in.
                                      Metal roofs will radiate heat down during the day.
                                      Ridge vent and/or cupola (with or without a fan) will help.
                                      Fans in stalls, but also remember they will blow the hotter air from near the roof down if you put them up too high. I like the fans you hang in the corner - I can change them out myself when they die. Ceiling fans would (for me) require a paid person!

                                      If you have a gable end, look at gabel end exhaust fans. They blow the hot air that gathers under the roof (even with ridge vents and coupolas) out ! They often have louvers that open automatically when the fan is on. I had one in a house, and it kept it nice even in HOT Stuart FL.



                                      • #20
                                        Mine is open. I have a 24x72 shedrow style barn. My barn is never hot. I don't have issues with it being wet from moisture either.

                                        Pay attention to placement of your barn. I did mine so I catch the eastern breezes down the barn aisle. I also put the shortest walls facing east and west due to the sun and not wanting the 72' long side to bake. The only room and ceiling I have insulated is my tack room.
                                        "Sometimes you just have to shut up and color."