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In a bit of a truck pickle..Dodge or Ford?

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  • #61
    Originally posted by rodawn
    Nope. My dad had Ford, NOTHING but trouble. Fixed or repaired daily, he called it.
    Fix Or Repair Daily
    Found On Road Dead


    My dad said Ford went out of business in 1948. He said that was the last time they made a decent car, and he wouldn't own another. Of course, he drove a 1969 Plymouth Road Runner

    From what I have seen the Ford TRUCK division has their act together much better than the car division. My boarders that have owned Ford cars have had SO much trouble dropping engines, transmissions, and even doors before their vehicles were a year and a half old.

    I have always had a Mopar, or Nissan. Run them to death, and totally neglect their maintenence. Never had to have one towed either. Even when they fail, they keep limping along to get you home.

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    • #62
      Yes, I do.

      And I mentioned that in my original question as to which you would see the most of.

      I believe my comment was something like "taking into consideration company sponsors" or something similar.

      However, there used to be a lot of independents running in this area.

      I don't go to the races any more. It has been many years since I have, however I do travel a lot and I see small garages with race cars in the lot. I see trailers being pulled with race cars on them and I am quite aware that they are not the Petty's and the Ernhardts.

      Of course, I also see their big rigs, and they are something to see. Real showmen, as they should be for their sponsors.

      But none of that helps the OP.

      She wanted to know what she should do and so the topic should be pickups and who drives them and why.

      The world's greatest mechanics are on the track so it is a good place to look around.

      And the small independent drivers are what people like us should look at, not the Petty's.

      CSSJR

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      • #63
        This is not doing the OP any good, but I have to ask the question:

        Have you ever driven a 1948 Ford on the kind of high crowned poorly graded crooked roads that were the norm in those days that often times banked the wrong way on the curves?

        CSSJR

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        • #64
          Originally posted by cssutton View Post
          Have you ever driven a 1948 Ford on the kind of high crowned poorly graded crooked roads that were the norm in those days that often times banked the wrong way on the curves?
          Not me, but my dad did, and he then drove his Plymouth on the same roads. He quit having large repair bills as soon as he switched to driving Plymouth & Dodge vehicles.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by cssutton View Post
            I like your rodeo example.

            So you go to the rodeo to find out what kind of truck to buy?

            So next time you want to know about what makes a good cow horse, you will go to the NAASCAR track and ask one of their mechanics?

            I think I would rather ask at the track what makes a good truck and at the rodeo what makes a good cow horse.

            CSSJR


            Im sorry, but the CARGO (horses, cars, whatever) people are hauling is irrelevant to choosing the vehicle to tow. in this situation it is based on tow ratings/ longevity. guys who tow heavy loads that i see are using the cummins.


            ever heard of someone putting a powerstruggle in a dodge? i havent. though there are lots of people putting cummins in fords. ill sacrifice what little improvement in comfort the ford might have to have the right engine right of the bat.


            To the OP, there have been very little changes to the cummins engine with the dodge. it has been a 5.9 forever and now the 6.7l has been out a few years AND is compliant with the EPAs new standards (and has been compliant since it came out) which means no new changes to meet emissions.

            additionally the cummins is considered a medium duty diesel engine, ford and chevys are not. (means that the mean time between rebuilds is significantly higher)

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            • #66
              Interesting

              I have done both.

              The old buggy spring arrangement Ford had in those days would drive you nuts unless that was all you ever drove.

              If you looked at a horse in the field, it would be going in a different direction when you looked back at the road.

              A Mercedes it was not.

              I would bet that anyone who drives today, who learned on the modern car could not stay between the center line and the shoulder.

              I also owned a 1949 Dodge and and 1952 Dodge. At the time, I was traveling 65,000 miles a year.

              They cured me. Two of the worst cars I have ever had anything to do with. Oil burners, broken rings, broken pistons...traded for a 54 Mercury and never looked back.

              But again, this does the OP no good.

              That was 60 years ago. Unfortunately nothing is the same.

              CSSJR

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              • #67
                I am amused how far this is straying. The OP is asking about pulling a two horse, also for everyday farm use.
                Rest in peace Claudius, we will miss you.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by cssutton View Post
                  So your post did noting to help OP, ran us off on a tangent that has no use whatsoever.
                  Originally posted by cssutton View Post
                  If you want to know what kind of truck to buy, go to the NASCAR tracks and look at what the guys that really know trucks use to pull those heavy trailers. Fords will outnumber everything else.
                  That tangent.

                  The point is this. If you need a truck to do serious towing and plenty of miles get a semi, like the guys who really know trucks do. If you want a play toy, take your pick of those available in your price range, because they are all as bad as each other and "experts" are two a penny.
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                  • #69
                    You are right.

                    So to OP, I suggest:

                    A Ford F250 or 350.

                    A 7.3 Very late 1999 or later.

                    Automatic. 3.73 rear end which will pull anything you want to pull and is much much quieter at highway speeds than a 4.10.

                    Don't buy a 6.0 diesel. You might luck up and get a good one. Some of them were trouble free, but the risk of getting one of the bad is too great. It is like betting your house on the roll of the dice.

                    Remember that the 7.3 requires a really good pair of batteries on a cold day or it requires that you plug it in the night before. After that early morning cold start, it is just like anything else. It works.

                    Get a long bed regardless of the cab size if you are going to pull a goose neck. It will allow you to make shorter turns without dinging the trailer or the back of the cab.

                    Be sure that you get a 4 x 4 because the diesel engine is so heavy that on nothing more than wet grass, the rears will spin because the front end is too heavy for them to push.

                    The later 7.3 the better. When I sold mine, the guy that bought it was a truck driver who looked all over the south for one and all he could find was trucks that had been run through the woods, jacked up mud hogs, etc., so he had to pay my price.

                    Be sure you put premium 80 PSI tires on it and run 80 in the rear tires. A high quality tire properly inflated does wonders for stability.

                    That's it. Everything else is gravy.

                    If you can find an '08 used that is a job #3 or later, buy it. Jobs #1 and #2 used more fuel.

                    Mine has the 3.73 rear end and 20' wheels and that makes a huge difference.

                    If you can find one with the factory trailer package, that tow mode and trailer braking system is really great. I set the trailer sensitivity February two years ago and have not touched it since.

                    CSSJR

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Equibrit View Post
                      That tangent.

                      The point is this. If you need a truck to do serious towing and plenty of miles get a semi, like the guys who really know trucks do. If you want a play toy, take your pick of those available in your price range, because they are all as bad as each other and "experts" are two a penny.
                      Well, we are right back where we were yesterday.

                      Since you are a real truck driver/horse hauler you pull yours with a semi, right?

                      Or is this just more BS?

                      The question still is unanswered.

                      If you stood at the gate at Charlotte Motor Speedway, for instance, and counted the pickups going in and out of the gate, what would the count be for Ford, Dodge and Duramax?

                      That question has been asked now three times and all we get is "If you are grown up, you drive a semi. The kids drive the toy trucks."

                      That really helps OP.

                      Thanks for the help.

                      CSSJR

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                      • #71
                        It doesn't make a halfpenny's worth of difference, as choices are made for many different reasons and unless you know what they are, you are p*ssing in the wind. For your information I do my towing with the brand that gives me preferential pricing, as would a lot of those people leaving CMS. So - OP should get whatever he/she likes the look of that he/she can afford; "experts" be damned.
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                        • #72
                          I don't know about that.

                          I think it nice to warn her to stay away from the 6.0. To advise her that if she wants to pull a goose neck to get a long bed, that with a diesel 4 wheel drive is a necessity...etc.

                          That is a lot more helpful than telling her to get a semi if she is going to be a serious horse puller.

                          Of course, that is if she goes with a Ford.

                          The Dodge and Duramax owners would be helpful if they suggested year models to covet and models to avoid.

                          By the way, forgetting NAASCAR...when you go to a class A show that has 300 or so exhibitors, how many semi's will you see?

                          Maybe 5 or 6?
                          Maybe 10?

                          Does that mean that the other 290 or so that have those $60,000 dually's and $40,000 to $150,000 horse trailers are "boys with toys"?

                          An interesting attitude, if not one that I subscribe to.

                          I look at some of those and remember how it used to be.

                          When maybe 25% of the horses rode in home made trailers pulled by the same cars that the owner drove to work on Monday morning.

                          I give them ore credit than to call them "boys with toys".

                          CSSJR

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                          • #73
                            Blather, blather, blather.
                            Next time you chose to cite an example in support of your prejudice, make sure that it applies to the case in point.

                            OP should check on incentive plans the truck manufacturers may have with membership organizations she belongs to.
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                            • #74
                              OK.

                              Semis, your suggestion if you remember, apply to the case in point?

                              I wonder what she should buy since you have said that pickups are boys toys.

                              What model semi do you recommend she buy?

                              Gee, how confusing.

                              I hope you will help her. It obviously is beyond the knowledge of the rest of us.

                              CSSJR

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                              • #75
                                Dare I wade into the fray here? FWIW, I use a 2000 Toyota Tundra to haul my 2H (bumper pull). It's great, reliable, powerful; I love it. Most folks I know also like the newer Fords - it's true they went through a very bad/unreliable phase in the 1980s but I think that period is over and Ford has vastly improved and rebuilt their cars. I don't know much about Dodges, but I do have a (non-horsey) pal who has had his Dodge truck since '98 and it still runs great, 100k+ and no major issues.
                                If you're looking at a model that's more than a decade old, do careful research. I have never and will never buy ANY vehicle without consulting the bible: Consumer Reports. They are a non-profit, member-supported consumer products testing agency, and review new and used cars/trucks annually. www.consumerreports.org. For the full report, you have to buy an annual subscription for I think $26 - worth its weight in gold and invaluable to research everything from vehicles to appliances to countertops - you name it. Best $26 I ever spend, bar none. (No, I don't work for them or anything like that).
                                And if Ford=Found on the Road Dead, Fiat = fix it all the time. I'm just sayin'.

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                                • #76
                                  Originally posted by cssutton View Post
                                  OK.

                                  Semis, your suggestion if you remember, apply to the case in point?

                                  I wonder what she should buy since you have said that pickups are boys toys.

                                  What model semi do you recommend she buy?

                                  Gee, how confusing.

                                  I hope you will help her. It obviously is beyond the knowledge of the rest of us.

                                  CSSJR
                                  Step away from the pipe.
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                                  • #77
                                    Ok i'll play nice and as csssutton suggested give a good model year to suggest for something other than ford.


                                    Dodge,

                                    I own a 98.5 24 valve cummins. As much as i love it i would not suggest this model year for someone who wants an out of the box truck that will last forever. It will last forever, but the injection pumps suck (to put it nicely). I have done the necessary things to make it last.

                                    I would also not suggest a new 6.7l cummins based solely on the mileage they get, its just not that great. they are great trucks, and put out less emissions than other years, but the mileage suffers.

                                    so where does that leave us...

                                    2003-2007 common rail 5.9l

                                    better brakes than my truck (discs all around)
                                    no crappy injection pump to worry about
                                    newer body style
                                    NO GLOW PLUGS- will start easily when its below freezing without being plugged in
                                    the 5.9 gets great mileage- over 20 on the highway and great while towing
                                    will last FOREVER
                                    its a 6 cylinder engine, lots of low end torque, and less moving parts than the ford and chevy v-8 diesels, less parts= less to break.


                                    I would suggest a manual transmission (6spd) i love having the manual trans. would not consider an auto.

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                                    • #78
                                      Ford F-350! (Dual wheels, of course!) We have owned one for about 8-9 years and use it to haul/pull averything. Hay, trailers, work truck, or just to drive- it can't be beat! It def. is the best truck I have ever owned. Just so you know, be careful with long beds- they can get in the way! Have fun searching! And again, everybody's taste is different. Always go with your gut!
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                                      • #79
                                        Way been when in 1998, hubby picked up a 1988 (I think) Ford F150 4x4--we had been through 11 feet of snow that winter in Colorado without a 4-wheel drive vehicle. It was time. He assured me it would pull a 2-horse trailer--turns out it had a smaller engine.

                                        Bought a 2-horse steel slant--dealer said good luck with using that truck to
                                        tow it. He had trouble getting the trailer home (we lived in Colorado, ie, hills).
                                        It was most interesting trying to tow with it. We starting shopping for another used truck.

                                        I didn't care what brand, he was adament for Ford. We went to a large show--he points to parking lot for competitors and says count the Fords vs the other brands. 75% were Fords.

                                        Okay, he won....long story short, we ended with a two-year old Ford 7.3L 4x4 long bed extended cab. It now has about 260,000 miles on it. Yes, we had to plug in the heater on cold nights. It could have towed the house without a problem, it went over 12,000 foot passes without breathing hard, came down the hills nicely without hardly having to touch the brakes. Would love to find another one with the 7.3L engine. Got about 19 mpg and 16 or so towing.

                                        Avoid the 6.0 except for the last year or so--per a Ford service manager. Don't know much about the newer engines since we can't afford another vehicle. We also have a Ford 1997 with the 5.4 Triton engine. 245,000 miles, nothing major,
                                        original transmission. Seems indestructible. Had an 1989 Ford Taurus, six-cylinder that I bought almost new and gave to stepdaughter at 150,000 miles.
                                        A little transmission work and a couple of fuel pumps, but it did well and got great gas mileage, 30 mpg on highway and 25 mpg in city. As good as all the
                                        little 4-cylinder, stick shift shoeboxes I'd driven for the previous 20 some years.
                                        Stepdaugher's SO smashed the front of the Taurus so it's been living in their garage for years waiting to be fixed. Sigh!

                                        We do have a Dodge 1500 4x4 quad cab long bed, 2006, that's a nice truck, but
                                        not impressive towing and really sucks the gas when it has a trailer behind it.
                                        Gets about 15-16 not towing, 9-10 when towing. We were thinking diesel but were offered so little trade-in at the time on our Ford, we decided to keep it.
                                        Got a great deal on the Dodge, saved a bunch on taxes as we bought it for our business, but it's not my favorite tow vehicle. It does have the the Hemi engine and runs like a scalded dog, so to speak. We only have about 44,000 miles on it so it hasn't had much chance to have something major go wrong as we try to keep for "business" use only.

                                        I'm also in the Ford camp because they don't have the government involved in their management. A truck is a long-time, expensive investment and think Ford is in the best position to be around in ten years with parts and pieces in case they are needed.

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                                        • #80
                                          Chevy!
                                          Courage is being scared to death - and saddling up anyway

                                          Boots, chaps and cowboy hats... nothin' else matters.

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