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  • 911 or game warden?

    Today I had my dogs out for their daily hike at a 150 acre farm that has been donated to the city for a nature park.

    As we were out, Suddenly another girl's pointer came barreling down the path..halti and all, so I knew she had escaped. Was able to get a hold of her, but she took off before I could call the number on her tag.

    So I took my three dogs up to the field in hopes of finding her owner so we could search for her together.

    As we came out of the woods, I heard what sounded like gunfire in the woods. I thought, NO WAY. My poor golden was about ready to jump out of her skin..and then they started shooting again.

    Now A. we are in a city park B. It's Sunday and C. deer season ended on New Years Day.

    I see everyone exiting the field with their dogs and my golden was ready to get the hell out of dodge.

    When I got to the parking lot, there was one lone Dodge Ram in the parking lot...I'm assuming that was the people hunting. The pointer dog's mom had left...so I am very hopeful that she found her mom. But I was too afraid to go back in the woods to search and make sure. I keep telling myself that I wouldn't have left the park without my dog so surely she found her mom.

    There are lots of neighbors in this area....so I debated on whether to dial 911, but I admit that I didn't. Would this be a 911 situation or would you need to call the game warden? I have no doubt that some of the neighbors took care of it.

    I guess I was just stunned that someone just blatenly did this on a Sunday in a city owned park.

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    WOW! I think if I were in a park with my dogs and heard gunfire I'd dial 911 ASAP! I hope the dog found its owner and went home safely!
    Last edited by Buffyblue; Jan. 24, 2010, 11:13 PM.
    She wasn't running away with me, I just couldn't stop her!

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    • #3
      Call 911 if human lives are in danger, and in this case it sounds like they were. If no human lives are at risk and no other non-game laws are being violated then I would call the DNR.

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        #4
        I will if it ever happens again. I know I should have done it this time....but I have a real hang up about dialing 911...don't know why. Everyone had exited.

        It was definite hunting rifle fire, so I have no doubt that someone had decided to sneak down and poach a deer.

        I had been told a long time ago when I started going out there, that sometimes hunters will still try to sneak onto the property and hunt (used to be private property)....but good lord, hunting season is over and even if it wasn't, it's illegal to do so on a Sunday here in NC. So I never thought about encountering hunters today.

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        • #5
          There is usually a police non-emergency line that you can use to let them know that you're concerned about something. Then they can decide whether to come out or not.
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          Wendy
          ... and Patrick

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          • #6
            You call 911 and get the police out there. I worked along side city police for over 20 yrs and then alongside sheriffs in the sticks for over 8 yrs.
            They actually like to help people and they want to help you. (except those last 15 minutes before their watch ends!)

            So call 911. Get to know the cops in the area. Yes in states like mine, DNR game wardens have the same police powers, but they are not right there for you like the cops are.

            So next time call 911. The cops can get the game wardens by calling them at home. Heck when we heard shooting in Atlanta parks, we all ran to see who (not animals either) got shot. My dogs and cats knew that sirens were good news and help was on the way.

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            • #7
              Considering that a halti is not a collar you put on around the house, it stands to reason that the owner of the dog was also in the park...thus gunfire is potentially dangerous.

              I do believe calling 911 under those circumstance is warranted.

              Hope the dog didn't get shot...

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                Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
                Considering that a halti is not a collar you put on around the house, it stands to reason that the owner of the dog was also in the park...thus gunfire is potentially dangerous.

                I do believe calling 911 under those circumstance is warranted.

                Hope the dog didn't get shot...
                Yeah, I know the owner was in the park, we got there at the same time...and have actually had conversations before, so I vaguely know her/knew the dog when I saw her. I just wanted to make sure that Tilly found mom before I left. Hopefully we'll run into each other again this week.

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                • #9
                  I would have had no qualms about calling 911: you had ample reason to believe that there was illegal hunting in a public area. Firearms and people walking dogs in the woods are not a good combo. For all you knew, the pointer's owner could have been shot. I understand the reticence to call 911 and risk looking foolish, but this situation warranted it.

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                    Originally posted by foundationmare View Post
                    I would have had no qualms about calling 911: you had ample reason to believe that there was illegal hunting in a public area. Firearms and people walking dogs in the woods are not a good combo. For all you knew, the pointer's owner could have been shot. I understand the reticence to call 911 and risk looking foolish, but this situation warranted it.

                    Well, I know she was alive and well, because she had driven out. If I had seen her car there, I certainly would have not left without calling the authorities.

                    Agreed though, that I should have called and regret not doing so.

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                    • #11
                      When hearing gunfire in a public place, better call.
                      It could have been other than hunters.
                      The police needs to know, so they will keep a closer watch on the place, for everyone's safety.

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                      • #12
                        I called the county sheriff's non-emergency number a month or so ago, when I heard gunfire in my neighborhood. Silly woman who answered (dispatch?) put me on hold, then disconnected me, then put me back on hold for at least five solid minutes before finally coming back and asking what I wanted. She said deputies would be out to see what the trouble was, and that they would contact me. Never heard/saw anything of them. So, you can bet I won't be calling non-emergency again.

                        IMO, gunfire = 911 call - period.

                        I'm glad you and your dogs got out of there without getting shot. And be pleased that you listened to that little voice that told you to be afraid to go back in the woods; it was right!
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                          Originally posted by dalpal View Post
                          There are lots of neighbors in this area....so I debated on whether to dial 911, but I admit that I didn't. Would this be a 911 situation or would you need to call the game warden? I have no doubt that some of the neighbors took care of it.
                          I wouldn't be so confident of that. Many times, that is the reason cited when people are asked why they didn't act in a situation that required action - that they assumed someone else would.

                          Definitely call 911 in a situation like that. Did you write down the license plate number? Call the police now. Obviously since we're hours after the fact, 911 isn't appropriate, but please do call the police and share any information you remember. Time, make/model/color of the truck, license plate if you got it, etc.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by ESG View Post
                            I called the county sheriff's non-emergency number a month or so ago, when I heard gunfire in my neighborhood. Silly woman who answered (dispatch?) put me on hold, then disconnected me, then put me back on hold for at least five solid minutes before finally coming back and asking what I wanted. She said deputies would be out to see what the trouble was, and that they would contact me. Never heard/saw anything of them. So, you can bet I won't be calling non-emergency again.

                            ESG, did you ever think that maybe you got put on hold on a ROUTINE call line becuase the dispatcher was busy taking a call on 911??? 911 calls take priority over the routine lines. Also, just becuase you didn't see an officer does not mean they didn't respond and check it out.


                            To the original OP and others, any type of situation where you suspect gunfire is invoved is definately a 911 situation please call us! IF you aren't sure, call us and if we determine it isn't an emergency most of us will direct you to the correct number to call.

                            If you are nervous about calling 911, have the routine # for your local PD programmed on your cell phone and use that instead.
                            "You are under arrest for operating your mouth under the influence of
                            ignorance!" Officer Beck

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                            • #15
                              I also would have taken down the plate number of the truck you thought may have been the hunters.

                              Obviously there's a big chance it may not have been the people who were driving in that truck but if it wasn't them then there would be no issue.. if it was then they would have gotten caught!
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by dalpal View Post
                                I will if it ever happens again. I know I should have done it this time....but I have a real hang up about dialing 911...don't know why. Everyone had exited.

                                It was definite hunting rifle fire, so I have no doubt that someone had decided to sneak down and poach a deer.

                                I had been told a long time ago when I started going out there, that sometimes hunters will still try to sneak onto the property and hunt (used to be private property)....but good lord, hunting season is over and even if it wasn't, it's illegal to do so on a Sunday here in NC. So I never thought about encountering hunters today.
                                Can't hunt on Sundays? What is that about?

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by WaningMoon View Post
                                  Can't hunt on Sundays? What is that about?
                                  To make the choice easier whether to go to church or have fun I suppose...it's a Southern thing.

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                                  • #18
                                    Nope, not just a southern thing.
                                    Sunday hunting isn't allowed in Connecticut either.
                                    Well, recently there's been some debate on that subject to allow hunting by special license on Sundays only in areas overpopulated with deer.
                                    But in general, no hunting on Sundays period.
                                    Reason is to give everyone who might be nervous about hunters a day off from dogs, gunshots a weekend day to go hiking or trail riding or 4-wheeling or just enjoying not hearing rifles going off.
                                    And yes, whenever hearing gun shots in a park or off season for hunting, call 911. Even if it is a rifle, doesn't mean the person is hunting. Could be target shooting or screwing around or possibly a nut-job. Which all 3 of those are also highly illegal in a public park. You just call 911 and report shots fired at whatever location. 911 will make the determination whether or not to send game wardens or POs.
                                    Also makes sense to holler out that there are people in the area in case the moron with a rifle isn't quite aware that s/he may be firing towards humans.
                                    And in case it was 3 shots fired, a 911 call that there's a person lost or injured...and has a rifle. 3 shots are an SOS. Means a person is either lost or injured.
                                    You jump in the saddle,
                                    Hold onto the bridle!
                                    Jump in the line!
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                                    • #19
                                      NOthing Ive ever heard of, we can here. This is kind of interesting about it.http://www.capecodoutdoors.com/sunday.html

                                      Apparently it is the law in a lot of states. Im thinking Christianity comes into it somewhere. Huh.

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                                      • #20
                                        Interesting.
                                        Most likely our no Sunday hunting law started as a pilgrim law. But it was kept as a "no noise and nobody accidentally shooting people, dogs and horses" day.
                                        Which I do agree with keeping no hunting on Sundays. And I'm a huge supporter of hunting and have had my hunting license more seasons than I've been without one.
                                        And I know 95% of hunters in our state are responsible experienced folks who don't fire willy-nilly at anything that moves. But despite that fact...there is also the fact that there are multiple accidental shootings during hunting seasons every year in state. Dogs, livestock, ATVs, people, vehicles, etc.
                                        Last season there were 37 accidental shootings. And it's understandable that the majority of folks would want a day free from worry if they want to hike, camp, picnic or even sit on their decks near the woods and enjoy some peace and quiet. Trail riders can't trailer out to most trails due to there being nowhere to park to offload, all open areas taken up by hunters' vehicles.
                                        So for our area it's understandable to keep Sundays a hunt-free day.
                                        You jump in the saddle,
                                        Hold onto the bridle!
                                        Jump in the line!
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