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  • Original Poster

    #21
    Saddle Seat performance horses have a slightly longer foot and a show package (which can include pads, weights and heavier shoes). At an uncollected faster pace the horse could catch the back of the shoe and pull it off which could also pull off hoof. Also since there is just more stuff on the feet it could cause a serious injury to the legs if a horse hits himself. Even if the horse just pulls the package off clean it would require a farrier asap to reattach since it would be a sized difference to the other feet than if just a shoe.

    Now this is just the stall design. If I feel the horse is able to be trusted outside during the show season then he will get turned out but that is not the subject of the thread. I want to be able to plan a lovely room for a horse that at another farm would just be stuck inside.

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    • #22
      Well I asked the farrier forum about the pea gravel and the show shoes but they where 0 help. They just kept telling me to not turn the horses out, well duh. Oh well. They also thought the pea gravel would leave sores on the horse but I would think that would only happen with the incorrect type of pea gravel because its suppose to be small round pebbles.

      At the barn I work at they have automatic waters at about the same height that tailboards would be (morgan barn). So I would think that putting the water buckets lower would be ok especially if the horse's tails are checked everyday.

      I would think 4 foot dutch doors would be fine.

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      • #23
        I don't think so, but it depends on the horse. Our barn doesn't have paddocks attached to the stalls but we do have several outdoor oversized stalls that the Park, EP, and Country horses go out in (enough to get some fresh air and sunshine but not enough to get into trouble)
        Michael: Seems the people who burned me want me for a job.
        Sam: A job? Does it pay?
        Michael: Nah, it's more of a "we'll kill you if you don't do it" type of thing.
        Sam: Oh. I've never liked those.

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        • Original Poster

          #24
          How high does the water bucket need to be so discourage tail dunking? I don't want automatic waters.

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          • #25
            I haven't seen any horse dunk his tail, ever. I think the rim of the bucket at the point of his shoulder if fine.

            But you might think of human dimensions, too. If you are a shorty who plans to put a full bucket up on a wall, you'll want the hook both low and managed without one hand for a double-sided snap. I like the kind with a hook covered by a horizontal ring bolted to the wall. Using both hands to lift the bucket, it's easy to aim for the hook. I suppose a horse wearing complicated clothing or equipment could get caught on the whole contraption... but perhaps is at just as much risk with a plain old bucket.
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            • #26
              Originally posted by Ballibebe View Post
              How high does the water bucket need to be so discourage tail dunking? I don't want automatic waters.
              IMO for the ones that a determined tail dunkers you can't put a bucket high enough. I would worry about putting the buckets at a comfortable height for the horses to drink from (well if given the choice I would install automatic waterers, I like the cow kind with the float, they are not deep enough for a horse to really dunk their tail in). Also I think putting the water in the corner of the stall results in less tail dunking than putting the water along the front wall of the stall (the horses are usuually facing the back of their stall to look out the window with their butt by the front wall).

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              • #27
                OK... I'll be the stupid one again. Is this a saddlebred thing!?! I've never seen any horse (and come to think of it I rode at a saddleseat barn for a while) that dunked his tail, nor have I ever seen anyone hang buckets at a particular height because of this... I feel I'm missing something again. I hang my buckets at the height that it's most comfortable for the horse and feasible for my 5' self to use. A wet tail wouldn't bother me so maybe I'm the dumb one again here.

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                • #28
                  If you have a tail dunker and your horses tails are not kept braided up you have probably never noticed. If you have a tail dunker and you braid your horse's tail up like most Saddlebred, Morgan and Arab show people do if you don't unbraid the tail and dry it when it is wet the tail hair will rot off. Hair that costs $1000-$5000 to replace if you have a Saddlebred (the cost of a decent switch) or irreplaceable (switches are not allowed) for the other 2 breeds. With automatic waterers the amount of water is so shallow that usually you do not have this happen, if you use buckets you have to be diligent in your tail care and check the tail daily while grooming to make sure it is dry.

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                  • #29
                    huh, learn something new every day. Thought there had to be more to it. Why not just use automatic waterers then? They have gauges to monitor their intake. Seems like the best solution.

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                    • Original Poster

                      #30
                      I want spigots above each bucket so you don't have to lift full buckets. Just pull a lever and out the water comes into the bucket. I like buckets because I don't have to worry about them breaking and no one noticing and I like the idea of them having a big glass of water instead of a spoonfuls. Sweet if its ok to put the bucket lower.

                      Would limestone dust and stall skins with bedding be enough padding for the stall floor? Or are mats better?

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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by Ballibebe View Post
                        I want spigots above each bucket so you don't have to lift full buckets. Just pull a lever and out the water comes into the bucket. I like buckets because I don't have to worry about them breaking and no one noticing and I like the idea of them having a big glass of water instead of a spoonfuls. Sweet if its ok to put the bucket lower.

                        Would limestone dust and stall skins with bedding be enough padding for the stall floor? Or are mats better?
                        I don't truly think a horse cares whether it's a "big glass of water" or a "spoonful" as long as they have water. In my experience, auto waterers (well... I should say Nelson ones since they're very easy to clean) keep the water cleaner than a giant bucket. Regardless, how would someone not notice? IME, people with auto waterers check them (or should be at least) as often as one would refill a bucket. An intake monitor will tell you if it's not working. If cost is an issue, then sure.... You're going to need to dump these buckets every day regardless so you'll be carrying whatever is left in the bucket. Be careful, I've seen injuries on spigots in stalls. It's a very hard and unforgiving piece of metal sticking out of the wall. Horses will injure themselves on freaking air.

                        Stall skins generally don't get rave reviews from what I've seen on here. I would much prefer to have mats over concrete. I like to know that the urine is coming out of the stall and not draining through to the ground underneath. They do tear regardless of what marketing tells you. In all honesty, if I had a horse that was going to have minimal turnout, I would use the stall mattresses.

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                        • #32
                          Put the spigot on the outside with a short length of hose unless you want the water turned on in the middle of the night. Remember, a determined Saddlebred with more than one hour of alone time can disassemble, operate or destroy just about anything that human fingers can. And many things that they can't.

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                          • #33
                            We have a TB tail dunker, also a bucket pooper. We keep moving the buckets around, he keeps following.

                            Really fun when it's 5 degrees outside and he has a frozen tail.

                            As for the whole saddle seat tail set and shoe thing...sorry, I just don't get it. Why not showcase natural gait and tail set? Either they have it or they don't!

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