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  • Super Smelly Dog?

    Okay, run through the usual suspects:
    bad teeth (he has excellent teeth/gums, vet check says so)
    anal glands (nope, smell isn't around there)
    bad breath from ulcers, etc. (nope, breath is fine)

    So. I've changed his diet. He came to me as a four month old on Eukanba puppy food. I slowly changed him over to Nutro (what I feed my older dog) but when I last took him to the vet, she strongly recommended I change him to the Science Diet Large Breed Puppy food. Alright. So, I slowly changed him to the Science Diet.

    That was the month he turned 6 months old. That was the month his testies really seemed fully formed and dropped. That was the month he really began to SMELL!

    So my question is...is it his "intact" status that is possibly causing his "musky dog" odor to intensify? Is it the Science Diet?

    I've washed him w/ scented dog shampoo, regular unscented shampoo, he has flea/tick medication and has a glossy coat, GREAT energy, no change in personality.

    And for those about to jump down my throat for not neutering him yet...he is scheduled for the snip-snip this week regardless. I am just wondering WTH is up with the smell?!?
    True Bearing Equestrian
    St. Helena Island, SC

  • #2
    How does his ears ( down inside) and his skin look? Does he do any licking biting, chewing etc?

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    • #3
      I'm going to vote it's the food.
      www.destinationconsensusequus.com
      chaque pas est fait ensemble

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      • #4
        Yes, Icky food...
        I would have your vet have a boo. Rule out the basic reasons for the stink. I would also start changing foods to something high quality. If you can buy it in a grocery store... yuck. JMO of course

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        • #5
          I also think it's the food. Maybe he has an allergy to some ingredient(s) in the food you are feeding him. Science diet is NOT good food. I'd try switching him to a good, high quality food; and that would NOT include NUTRO! . We used to feed NUTRO, back when it was considered a good food, before being bought by Mars, the M&M candy company. They changed the food and three of our dogs got very, very ill from it. Caused severe liver damage in all three. Only one survived. Our two senior girls died despite intensive veterinary care trying to save them. So, please, if you do nothing else - DO NOT FEED NUTRO!

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          • #6
            Okay, now that you know what not to feed
            a good place to check out different foods is
            www.dogfoodanalysis.com Pick from the 4 star foods and up. That will at least give you a base line
            www.destinationconsensusequus.com
            chaque pas est fait ensemble

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              #7
              food

              Hey everybody, it may be the food...I have had great results from Nutro Natural Choice. Jmo. I am almost at the end of the Science Diet food so will probably begin switching him back over to the Nutro and see if that (plus neutering him this week) makes a difference. Just toss the rest of the Science Diet stuff.

              Ears look fine, I do check them b/c he's a hound and I know their ears can get a little icky sometimes. He HAS been chewing a bit on his front paws so I checked them, and again this AM...nothing there. I hate the idea that he's allergic to something.
              True Bearing Equestrian
              St. Helena Island, SC

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              • #8
                Leg chewing is sometimes symptom of allergies.
                See what your vet tells you about that.
                About the smell, in general, many hounds are known for being a little bit more odorous than other dog breeds.
                That would be a consideration.

                I would not go by what food nazis tell you, but what your dog does well with.
                The supposedly "best" food out there is no good if it doesn't agree with your dog, just as any food your dog does well is fine.

                One of our dog club members is a veterinarian specialist in nutrition and the basic recommendation is, for normal dogs without any nutritional issues, to change the brand every so often, so what one food may lack, your dog may get in another.
                That is what many of our dog club memebers do and their dogs are winning consistently in obedience and agility, against dogs from all over the USA, many fed special diets.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Bluey View Post
                  Leg chewing is sometimes symptom of allergies.
                  See what your vet tells you about that.
                  About the smell, in general, many hounds are known for being a little bit more odorous than other dog breeds.
                  That would be a consideration.

                  I would not go by what food nazis tell you, but what your dog does well with.
                  The supposedly "best" food out there is no good if it doesn't agree with your dog, just as any food your dog does well is fine.

                  One of our dog club members is a veterinarian specialist in nutrition and the basic recommendation is, for normal dogs without any nutritional issues, to change the brand every so often, so what one food may lack, your dog may get in another.
                  That is what many of our dog club memebers do and their dogs are winning consistently in obedience and agility, against dogs from all over the USA, many fed special diets.
                  Bluey, I loff u. My thoughts exactly. I was just trying to be...polite.
                  True Bearing Equestrian
                  St. Helena Island, SC

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                  • #10
                    My friend had a dos that smelled evil and it turned out that he had discovered deer musk. Apparently, he would find where the deer left it and go rub it all over himself. It was HORRID

                    Re: food for allergies. we found that Innova was wonderful for allergies.
                    http://www.naturapet.com/brands/innova.asp
                    "The mighty oak is a nut who stood its ground"

                    "...you'll never win Olympic gold by shaking a carrot stick at a warmblood..." see u at x

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                    • #11
                      Our lab is super stinky. He was born with only one kidney, which is apparently part of the reason he smells as he just doesnt process things as well as he should. Food definitely makes a difference and as the previous poster mentioned, our vet switches his food now and then, as it seems to go in cycles where hes OK, then slowly gets really smelly and coat doesnt look as good as it should.
                      The second, now that he's older he's having joint issues. We're finding supplements with MSM make him extremely smelly.
                      The Nature's Miracle spray really seems to help neutralize the smell, along with being extra careful about keeping his bed washed regularly and having him professionally groomed on a regular basis.
                      Unfortunately, we can't allow him on the carpet or near the furniture, hes just too smelly for that. Keeping him limited to the laundry/kitchen keeps the house smelling somewhat normal
                      The best part about having a super stinky dog? You know all those people out on the trails or at the park who let their dogs off lead to jump all over you so they can come 'play' with yours ? They get close enough for one good whiff then they usually leave in a hurry Our poor dog probably has a complex by now, but we always get a bit of a giggle.

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                      • #12
                        this is of course not the issue here, but had to share: was out for a run this summer and about a mile from my farm there was a deer carcass on the side of the road. As I approached i noticed it was moving, which freaked me out a little because this was not a fresh hit. Got close enough to see the neighbor's dog INSIDE the carcass, looking at me through the deer's ribs, wagging his tail with a $hit-eating (literally) grin. I can only imagine how bad he smelled when he went home that day.

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                        • #13
                          I've had this happen to a few dogs over the years. My vet says it's a skin infection. She puts them on an antibiotic, and the "smell" is gone in days.

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                          • #14
                            it's probably the food. Comments about "food nazis" whatever, Science Diet has the most awful ingredients and is notorious for causing smelly dogs with awful-looking coats. Easy enough to try another food. Will probably take a few weeks for the smell to go away after a food switch.
                            Nutro isn't all that much better than SD, and at least around here, is incredibly expensive considering its mediocre quality.

                            As for neutering, most experts suggest waiting until the dog finishes growing before neutering these days.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Bluey View Post
                              ...
                              I would not go by what food nazis tell you, but what your dog does well with....

                              Originally posted by spirithorse22 View Post

                              Bluey, I loff u. My thoughts exactly. I was just trying to be...polite.

                              “FOOD NAZI”???? What a nice thing to say about someone who is merely trying to save someone else from the devastating consequences that we suffered as the result of feeding NUTRO dog food!!! Your compassion is just overwhelming!

                              I guess the FDA is also a “food nazi” since they are currently investigating NUTRO in light of the hundreds of complaints about dogs and cats getting ill and/or dying after being fed NUTRO!!!

                              FDA Confirms Probe of NUTRO Pet Food Deaths, Illnesses

                              April 20, 2009

                              "The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has confirmed that the agency is investigating NUTRO pet food, following a series of unexplained illnesses and deaths. Consumers have been complaining for more than two years that their pets have become ill after eating NUTRO products; many have recovered when they were switched to other foods. The company has steadfastly denied that its food is to blame.
                              Until now, the FDA has been mum about whether it was actively investigating the company. Today, the FDA’s Division of Freedom of Information confirmed the agency has an ongoing investigation into NUTRO — and said that (the) investigation could be criminal or civil in nature. The office did not elaborate on the nature or focus of that investigation."



                              FWIW, we had been feeding NUTRO for about 3 or 4 years with no problems – until that fateful (or more correctly, fatal bag). Our three dogs got sick a day after we opened a new bag of NUTRO. Our vets consulted with several specialists, including Cornell Univ., so this was not a random occurrence. Our story matched hundreds of others whose dogs suffered either liver or kidney damage, attributed to feeding NUTRO.

                              So laugh, sling mud, call names if you want. Your humanity speaks volumes!

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                              • #16
                                For What Its Worth

                                We don't live with you and know the dogs daily in out routine.

                                You may just be super sensitive to his Hound Coat smell, more so than someone else.

                                Try taking a empty spray bottle, put 1 inch or regular old gold colored Listerine mouth wash in the bottle w/ 2 inches of water. Spritz his coat and just comb thru.
                                It will cut the doggie odor and give him a shine.

                                I worked in Dog Food retail for a private regional chain..not any of those national ones. We got alot of food seminars, from animal nutrionist and the companies alike. The one thing I came away w/ well 2. Stay away from RAW and if corn is in the top 3 ingrediants drop the bag.

                                Everybody has their opinion about dog food, and what works for some won't get same results for others. Even with a breed.

                                I use Verus, but have also seen good results w/ the Nutro Venision dog food.

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                                • #17
                                  Allergies often manifest themselves in skin issues, and skin that is inflamed is open to secondary infection from bacteria and yeast. These thing smell.

                                  I'd have the guy neutered first, give it a few weeks to get the hormones out of his system, and change his food to an allergen-free diet, or low-allergen diet. I really hate the food debates that are going on now, and as said before, do what works best for the dog. I would just caution you that exposing him to lots of different kinds of proteins now can set him up for food allergies later such that anything he's eaten before could be a potential allergen. Thus, you want to keep that list of proteins as short as possible. I like the Royal Canin line, personally, for what it's worth.

                                  What kind of dog is he, out of curiosity?

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Claddagh View Post
                                    “FOOD NAZI”???? What a nice thing to say about someone who is merely trying to save someone else from the devastating consequences that we suffered as the result of feeding NUTRO dog food!!! Your compassion is just overwhelming!

                                    I guess the FDA is also a “food nazi” since they are currently investigating NUTRO in light of the hundreds of complaints about dogs and cats getting ill and/or dying after being fed NUTRO!!!

                                    FDA Confirms Probe of NUTRO Pet Food Deaths, Illnesses

                                    April 20, 2009

                                    "The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has confirmed that the agency is investigating NUTRO pet food, following a series of unexplained illnesses and deaths. Consumers have been complaining for more than two years that their pets have become ill after eating NUTRO products; many have recovered when they were switched to other foods. The company has steadfastly denied that its food is to blame.
                                    Until now, the FDA has been mum about whether it was actively investigating the company. Today, the FDA’s Division of Freedom of Information confirmed the agency has an ongoing investigation into NUTRO — and said that (the) investigation could be criminal or civil in nature. The office did not elaborate on the nature or focus of that investigation."



                                    FWIW, we had been feeding NUTRO for about 3 or 4 years with no problems – until that fateful (or more correctly, fatal bag). Our three dogs got sick a day after we opened a new bag of NUTRO. Our vets consulted with several specialists, including Cornell Univ., so this was not a random occurrence. Our story matched hundreds of others whose dogs suffered either liver or kidney damage, attributed to feeding NUTRO.

                                    So laugh, sling mud, call names if you want. Your humanity speaks volumes!
                                    What do you mean with that last sentence?
                                    Why do some people, when they don't have logic to go by, try to become insulting?
                                    Guess that if someone feeds Nutro, they are "inhumane"?

                                    There have been recalls of all and any kind of products out there, no one can say who will be next.
                                    That you bring that Nutro recall to the table is fine, that you try to make it sound like it is just that one brand is disingenuous.

                                    Anyway, many dogs for decades have thrived with all kinds of dog foods and of course, a few have not.
                                    Exceptions don't make rules.

                                    I know perfectly healthy dogs raised and that lived to old age healthy on all kinds of dog food, AS LONG as it agreed with THOSE dogs.
                                    I don't see who would find fault with that statement, if they have been around dogs long enough to know it is so.

                                    In our dog club, we try not to talk about dog foods, other than in the seminars some vets give to the club, because some members get very uptight about what is best and why.
                                    A little bit silly, when they have so many dogs in front of them doing very well, thank you, with those same products they think will kill any dog foolish enough to eat it.


                                    While we are posting warning notices, here is a recent one.
                                    We do get serious warning here also, just like the one you posted, that is several months old:



                                    ---"Please tell every dog or cat owner you know. Even if you don't have a pet, please pass this to those who do.


                                    Over the weekend the doting owner of two young lab mixes purchased Cocoa Mulch from Target to use in their garden. They loved the way it smelled and it was advertised to keep cats away from their garden. Their dog Calypso decided that the mulch smelled good enough to eat and devoured a large helping. She vomited a few times which was typical when she eats something new but wasn't acting lethargic in any way. The next day, Mom woke up and took Calypso out for her morning walk . Half way through the walk, she had a seizure and died instantly.

                                    Although the mulch had NO warnings printed on the label, upon further investigation on the company's website, this product is HIGHLY toxic to dogs and cats.

                                    Cocoa Mulch is manufactured by Hershey's, and they claim that 'It is true that studies have shown that 50% of the dogs that eat Cocoa Mulch can suffer physical harm to a variety of degrees (depending on each individual dog). However, 98% of all dogs won't eat it.'

                                    This Snopes site gives the following information:http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/cocoamulch.asp

                                    Cocoa Mulch, which is sold by Home Depot, Foreman's Garden Supply and other Garden supply stores, contains a lethal ingredient called ' Theobromine'. It is lethal to dogs and cats.. It smells like chocolate and it really attracts dogs. They will ingest this stuff and die.. Several deaths already occurred in the last 2-3 weeks. Theobromine is in all chocolate, especially dark or baker's chocolate which is toxic to dogs. Cocoa bean shells contain potentially toxic quantities of th eobromine, a xanthine compound similar in effects to caffeine and theophylline. A dog that ingested a lethal quantity of garden mulch made from cacao bean shells developed severe convulsions and died 17 hours later. Analysis of the stomach contents and the ingested cacao bean shells revealed the presence of lethal amounts of theobromine.


                                    PLEASE GIVE THIS THE WIDEST DISTRIBUTION!!!"---

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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Pancakes View Post

                                      What kind of dog is he, out of curiosity?
                                      He's a Rhodesian Ridgeback.

                                      As for routine: Dogs are up around 7:30, goes to their "kennel" outside (covered and comfy dog room w. chew toys) and get breakfast. I had no issues w/ his smell when I fed him Nutro Natural Choice Large Breed Puppy (agree its expensive, however, my older dog has been on Nutro N.C. Lamb/Rice for his whole life and looks FANTASTIC, no one believes this dog is 9 y.o.). Anyway, he gets his breakfast and a new bone (tartar control bone).
                                      8:30ish or 9ish (whenever the sun is fully hitting our backyard (its about half an acre, HUGE!!), he and my older dog are let into the backyard. I usually go to school at this time, so they're in the backyard (w/ shelter available if the wind/whatever bothers them). When I get home five hours later they're usually on the lounge chairs in the sunshine though.
                                      We have 10 acres, so we all go for a walk or I take them to the Olympic park near my house (mountain biking trails) for about an hour.
                                      Then they're inside for about an hour to take a nap while I am online. Then they're back outside either in the fenced pastures or our backyard until they want in. Then everybody comes in, everybody gets dinner, and they have their beds in the living room, and two other beds in my bedroom. Oh, and they get their bones at night to chew on if I didn't give them a bone in the AM.

                                      This is the winter schedule. If its really cold, they obviously don't spend much time in the backyard. I just play fetch, etc. to get his energy out and have him in the house w/ more chew toys.

                                      So...they have a real hard life, obviously. They are also barn dogs but through the holidays, we've had family visiting so we weren't out there.
                                      True Bearing Equestrian
                                      St. Helena Island, SC

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                                      • #20
                                        Two of our dog club members have RR dogs, that they made #1 in agility in the nation for several years, have many awards with their dogs, that are old now, but still competing, if lightly.

                                        I never noticed their dogs being smelly at all and I have a good nose for smells.
                                        I would get your vet to look into this a little more, just in case there is something that can be done.

                                        I know that, when our toy poodle, that was a top obedience dog and tracking dog was put on Eukanuba, as that is what our rottie was at the breeders, many years ago, when that and SD were the ONLY nationally available dog foods, she developed red, runny eyes, that cleared when put back on SD.
                                        We think it was the red dye that she was sensitive to.

                                        Dogs are individuals and some times, something in some foods won't agree with them, by no fault of the food brand.
                                        Since changing foods is so easy, that is one more good option for your situation.

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