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    Long story short - new indoor and we have had some moisture in spots along side walls and at the corners periodically for six months - builder "acts stomped" - well now I have proof mini snow drifts in corners and along sides ~ coming in seams of building some how???? They now want to sell us "filler strips" ??? What are they ? Shouldn't these have been part of the building like nails and screws ? Thank you for your help.
    Zu Zu Bailey " IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE ! "

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    Well, that is why construction sheet metal has ridges, so you can overlap on the ends and no water should come thru.
    They must have missed a few places?

    http://www.rhinobldg.com/standard-building-system.htm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siding

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    • #3
      Builder is either a piss poor builder and an idiot or did shoddy work deliberatly and is upselling fittings and finish. There are a few companies around here that do the upsell when dealing with women and do shoddy work.
      Founder of the Dyslexic Clique. Dyslexics of the world - UNTIE!!

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        #4
        Thank you for your help ~ more accurately ~ snow seems to be blowing in from top intersection of roof and top of side wall? How is that possible? any ideas? Bluey ~ thank you for the "links" & Yes sk_pacer apparently it is a piss poor builder who is also an idiot doing shoddy work deliberately ! I hate this company & and desperately need to get this problem corrected. Thank you again.
        Zu Zu Bailey " IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE ! "

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        • #5
          It is doing the same as my barn/shed - blowing in through the ventilation slots which, in my case, means they didnt leave enough roof overhang. There should be slots the length of the sides about 2" wide but the overhang should stop the whitecrap. You got the same builder as I had??ROFL
          Founder of the Dyslexic Clique. Dyslexics of the world - UNTIE!!

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          • #6
            Not enough information to be able to help.

            If what you need to know is not in this, just poke around on the Fabral site. It's there somewhere.

            http://www.fabral.com/downloads/details-postframe.pdf
            www.HistoricHousePreservation.com

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              #7
              Thank you Tom King - I will read this -overwhelming on first look through. I can only describe that there have been semi-circles of moisture along the south side wall and north wall of the indoor - not down the entire sides- ever since structure was completed in July. Condensation ? Very dry summer, fall and so far winter here: thus doors have been open and ring has not been used. Some company thought "point loading" but we have not used it due to moisture - drier outside than inside!!! The builder has blamed everyone - from dirt man to gutterman - gutterman raised the gutters - dirt man has been cleared by quarry man, engineers and other dirt experts - now light snow and semi-circles of snow along south and north sides of indoor - snow drifts in corners .. This structure is 40x70 with doors on north side and west and east ends. Moisture has moved from sidewalls towards center - closer to center from the south side--- So rain water is going in gutters and gutters are functioning - pad was developed -routing water around pad - building at an angle to fence to accomplish drainage flow-- pad built up 26" in one corner. The ceiling insulation is not wet - the boards are not wet - the sidewalls are not wet -when you take off a piece of the metal side wall and reach your hand in there ( between the side wall and the plywood placed insideon posts to save my knees) the limestone is wet like sand. No one can tell us where the moisture is coming from - but now with the snow it can be proven that it must be blowing in - inbetween the roof and the top of the side wall ??? I don't know as I don't do my own dental work but no one seems to be able to figure this out . We are not using the indoor for fear we ruin the dirt pad that is getting wetter over the last six months of dry weather. HELP !! Did they not seal the corners or is there a gap between the roof and gutter and sidewall allowing snow to blow inside? I will read the link provided - I am quite sure our builders can not even read!
              Last edited by Zu Zu; Dec. 12, 2009, 09:51 PM. Reason: addition
              Zu Zu Bailey " IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE ! "

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                #8
                Now more snow blowing in- piling on every board from the top of the side walls to the floor and then drifts ???Blowing in from above the doors also ? Can this be fixed at all ` anyone know ?
                Zu Zu Bailey " IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE ! "

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                • #9
                  YIKES, ZUZU! So sorry I don't have any words of wisdom, and I'm so sorry you are having these troubles. All I can do is hope and jingle for a decent solution, SOON!
                  stained glass groupie
                  www.equiglas.com

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                  • #10
                    Could you maybe afford a consultation by a commercial architect/structural engineer?

                    A few hundred dollars may get you an answer you can then see if someone is liable for whatever is needed to fix the problem and maybe even the fee for the expert.

                    I can't quite understand your problem, as it seems at times to be moisture going up from below, other times leaking from above, or both?

                    There are easy solutions to leaking from above, like ridge foam you can unscrew the metal and add it underneath and retighten the screws.
                    Moisture coming from below, that may take french drains to fix.

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                      #11
                      Thanks eventgroupie2 - it is a new indoor finished July this year ~ has been a PITA ! and I so need it ! as now we have had a blizzard ! Oh Well ! All equine and feline and humans are safe and dry so we plod onward ! Bluey ~ first thank you for your help ~ we have had many people - engineers and builders and others try to determine where the moisture was coming from. Many have tried to rip us off with silly solutions the most recent being - to get us to dig an additional drainage system beacuse of "point loading" but since we have not used the arena - it could not be point loading and thank goodness we didn't get scammed for that !- pad was designed by an engineer friend who said we did not need french drains for this pad construction and site - the builder has been trying to blame it on the pad construction and drainage --- but now with the snow - we can "at last" document the moisture has been and continues to be coming from the sides of the bulding - and above the doors. I will look into ridge foam and builders are due back this week.Again thank you for reading and your help concerning ridge foam.
                      Last edited by Zu Zu; Dec. 26, 2009, 03:32 PM. Reason: addition
                      Zu Zu Bailey " IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE ! "

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                      • #12
                        sounds like you have two problems

                        No matter how well you did the pad, even with a dry summer, moisture can be perking up through the ground along the edges. Yes, even if you have big gutter, sufficient overhang, surround with concrete, etc ad nauseum. Ask me how I know???? I was told I wouldn't need a french drain either, but, I ended up getting one anyway, voila' problem solved.
                        If you actually "had a blizzard" then yes, the snow will come in along the ridgeline vent, underneath the roof vent(overhang) along the door seams and anywhere else that isn't airtight. There is no such thing as an airtight, watertight arena, but that doesn't mean the builder didn't do his job. No one is going to jump up and say "yep, my fault". Your best bet is to get ahold of someone in your area that builds the same kind of building, tell him what you think the problem is and pay him a flat fee to come and do a "look see" and tell you what the trouble really is.

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                          #13
                          Thank you 2ndyrgal - I just have never had this happen in any other building ~ indoor or stall barn ... ever ! any location! Yes, we had blizaard conditions for about 24 hours Christmas Eve til Christmas Day ~ so I guess the snow is normal but this did not occur with the run-in shed ; stall barn or equipment shed.? And yes I have another local builder coming for a "consult" on Monday this wil be the second - so I am glad to know at least ~ as per your advice I am on the right track in getting this figured out and fixed. Thanks for your advice and I will be more receptive to the french drain idea.
                          Last edited by Zu Zu; Dec. 26, 2009, 04:06 PM. Reason: spelling
                          Zu Zu Bailey " IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE ! "

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                          • #14
                            ZuZu - Art added a french drain behind the run-in and in front of the barn - did solve problems of moisture running into and through the buidlings. We are on such hills that the run-off has to really be directed, or it becomes a mess. (Couldn't blame anybody else as we had built the run-in and barn ourselves ) But we did have the barn pad built pretty high, and thought that would be plenty to not be affected by run-off from the driveway hill, but it wasn't. So the french drains really helped in our cases.
                            Good luck with the consult tomorrow. Hugs
                            stained glass groupie
                            www.equiglas.com

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                              #15
                              Thank you so much !

                              eventgroupie2 -- Thank you ~ thank you -for your added information ~ will look into those french drains ~ as I do want to like my new mini indoor and use it ~ right now it is just a PITA . Sending Holiday Jingles to you and Art and of course Mr. Willie and Gumby and Bear and all the other eventgroupie2s.
                              Zu Zu Bailey " IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE ! "

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                              • #16
                                seriously..

                                the guys we got to do the arena pad shot the level with a lazer and were really professionals. Due to the sheer size and roof area, even with big gutters, you're going to have moisture around the arena. My theory is, much like osmosis, the moisture is going to take the path of least resistance, ie, disturbed earth and migrate toward where it's most dry, as in inside your arena. We ended up trying all different types of drainage, hubby installed a 3 ft concrete sidewalk all the way around the outside of a 72'x184' arena. Didn't help. He buried the drainpipes coming off the 8 oversize gutters and trenched them clear down to the hillside where they drain into the lake, lake filled nicely, but didn't help. He then listened to the builder and I who, the first time it rained after completion said, "you know, if you just put a french drain off the front door and re-grade the driveway (which has always been the wet side) just a little bit, it will solve the problem". Only after filling the bottom brace (the one that sits on the ground al the way around) between the brace and the outside wall with concrete and THAT didn't work either(but it looks nice) did he call the builder to put in the drain he recommended from the begining. In the meantime, on a rainy, wet day, when I was really pissed at DH for something else and got the big tractor and blade out and started my OWN driveway grading project, did he realize that sometimes, men have to not only ask for directions, but follow them. Really, the key is, no matter what you think you did when it was built, if you don't get ALL the water flowing way away from the arena, yo will still have problems. And if you have an overhang, and a ridgeline vent, sometimes, you will get snow. It's snowing inside my big old barn this evening, through the little vent chimneys that were originally for the tobacco it used to house. With the lights on, it looks like fairy dust. When I was dealing with the water issues, I just rode from quarterline to quarterline and made due, made my horse better, no different that riding in a warm up arena with some people. Good luck, and realize that unless you get all the water draining away, it won't matter what the builder does (look at people with wet concrete block basements).

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                                  #17
                                  I finally hear you !!!!

                                  2ndrygal ~ thank you !!! I have finally heard you !! I appreciate your posts ~ sounds like you have gone through EXACTLY what I am going through ~ constructionally ~ financially ~ emotionally ~ and frustrationally ~ I will re-figure the drainage. Thank you again for your time and patience with knocking this into my head ! I SO needed to read your posts !
                                  Zu Zu Bailey " IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE ! "

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                                    #18
                                    Train Wreck has been stopped !!!

                                    Update ~ good consult completed - and builder is going to fix many of the problems at their cost. Grading evaluation to be done as soon as weather subsides. At least we have some answers and solutions !!! Thanks for all your help !
                                    Last edited by Zu Zu; Dec. 30, 2009, 10:19 AM. Reason: spekk
                                    Zu Zu Bailey " IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE ! "

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