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  • Self Protection devices? Recommendations?

    During the week, I'm out alone exercising my three dogs. Although I'm fortuante enough to have access to some very big parks....most are isolated during the day and I would just feel better having something with me. Yeah, I know I have three dogs....but you never know if three dogs is going to fully deter someone...and they aren't the most vicious dogs in the world.

    Suggestions? I was thinking taser..but I havent' a clue as to which one.

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    You'd have to learn to use whatever you got, though, or else you're as much a danger to yourself as to the person you're warding off. It could just be because I'm English, and we typically don't walk around with a gun/taser/mace, but the thought of arming myself to walk my dogs seems very odd to me.

    Why not look into some good self defence classes in your area and ask what they would recommend?
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      #3
      I appreciate the post..and yes, while I have thought about the negatives.....I am curious to know if anyone has any recommendations. I think it would be smart to have something...godforbid, just incase.

      I don't think it's odd at all.

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      • #4
        You don't want to use anything that will just make an attacker mad (or madder). After you use a taser what are you going to do with the attacker, or will you run?

        Smith and Wesson is your best friend (ok so now we all have glocks). Go get gun training. You don't have to carry a 45, you can get a tiny 22 that is small enough to fit in a cigarette pack, and has 8 bullets in it.

        Usually dogs are a great deterrent. But a gun makes you look self assured(you project the imagine with a hidden gun) and makes you appear like you are not to be bothered. I think muggers can smell fear just like animals can.

        Learn to use a gun. Carry it with you. Don't pull it out unless a mugger gets very close to you, then shoot through whatever you have it enclosed in (pocket, purse, etc) and shoot low, in the abdomen area.

        To avoid being a victim, you must be vigilant and aware of your surroundings, and must exude an aura of self-assurance. Our Atlanta muggers/rapists/robbers chose distracted people, some of them at Lenox Square at noon! And remember, the white guy is as dangerous as those of other races. Too many people forget there are more Ted Bundys out there.

        (I got mugged a lot in broad daylight in St Louis, never mugged in NYC or Calif or Atlanta.)

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        • #5
          .38 Special and a concealed carry permit.
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            #6
            Originally posted by bird4416 View Post
            .38 Special and a concealed carry permit.
            ROFL..you guys, my farrier would love you.

            Something to definitley chew on......Cloudy, I can say that I am definitely always aware of my surroundings.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by dalpal View Post
              ROFL..you guys, my farrier would love you.

              Something to definitley chew on......Cloudy, I can say that I am definitely always aware of my surroundings.
              I spent over 20 yrs with rape victims, robbery victims, etc. The predators are roaming cities and countryside, and watching for people who don't look self-assured.

              Dogs are a real deterrent, predators will pass you up for another person if you have a dog. But if the predator really wants you, best to have the gun stashed in your pocket to protect both you and the dog. Don't ever pull out a gun to threaten, only put it out to shoot.

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              • #8
                Ditto on the others. A handgun and a concealed permit.

                Most importantly, once you have a handgun be sure you actually know how to use it. It does you no favors if you aren't comfortable and familiar with it. Take it to the shooting range and practice as often as you can. Generally, the folks at most ranges (both customers and staff) are extremely willing to help you and share their knowledge. Many ranges also have rental firearms you can rent for a session to try out, which is a great way to decide what feels best to you.

                Personally, when it comes to handguns, I prefer Glocks. I'm putting away for a nice Glock 19 pistol which I fell in love with, which will be the one I get my concealed for within the next year. And at home, I keep a Mossberg 20ga shotgun for home defense.

                But again, make sure if that's the route you go that you get well educated on it. Gun safety classes are a great resource and are available all over (often for free, depending on who is putting them on.)
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                  Originally posted by dixiedolphin View Post
                  Ditto on the others. A handgun and a concealed permit.

                  Most importantly, once you have a handgun be sure you actually know how to use it. It does you no favors if you aren't comfortable and familiar with it. Take it to the shooting range and practice as often as you can. Generally, the folks at most ranges (both customers and staff) are extremely willing to help you and share their knowledge. Many ranges also have rental firearms you can rent for a session to try out, which is a great way to decide what feels best to you.

                  Personally, when it comes to handguns, I prefer Glocks. I'm putting away for a nice Glock 19 pistol which I fell in love with, which will be the one I get my concealed for within the next year. And at home, I keep a Mossberg 20ga shotgun for home defense.

                  But again, make sure if that's the route you go that you get well educated on it. Gun safety classes are a great resource and are available all over (often for free, depending on who is putting them on.)

                  I'll chat with the "gun expert" farrier next visit and get some gun/permit advice.

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                  • #10
                    This link may help you locate a firing range.

                    http://wheretoshoot.org/Find_Range/index.asp

                    The site itself is pretty nice, has lots of information on firearms, safety, training, etc. Folks at ranges will also help you select the right firearm, and often offer safety courses.

                    I prefer the .45 but many females seem to like the 9mm. Another option that may work for you is a simple revolver. Very simple to operate and clean. You can't go wrong with a .38.

                    Good luck and remember to practice - practice makes perfect (but I hope you never need to use it in self defense).
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                    Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
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                    • #11
                      CC, great posts. I don't know how to use a firearm and obviously don't carry a gun... but what you said makes perfect sense.

                      Dalpal, I think it is definitely smart to consider your personal safety when you are out alone. Even with the dogs....
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                      • #12
                        As a firearms instructor I'd suggest working on self defense tactical training first, it takes literally years to be proficient with a small pistol and a certain level of experience and comfort to be able to use on in self defense. Not to mention the legal ramifications of using one in self defense off of your own property and especially in a public park.
                        If the attacker isn't actually attacking badly enough to leave you marked and/or doesn;t have a weapon on them also you could be screwed.
                        Classes like STSD training are effective after a few short classes, do not require tons of practice and do not require the woman to have superhuman strength, a black belt or even a weapon on hand to be able to disable an attacker long enough to escape.
                        (BTW, if anyone has ever been 'tazed' they'd know an attacker does not hop right back up and come after you. Nerves fire wonky for some time afterwards. It disables more than long enough for a person to leave the scene...of course after snapping a cell phone photo of the asshat for id purposes)

                        Here's some quick advice for now:
                        Carry a camera cell phone with you all the time, in an easy to reach spot. Do NOT chat on it, pay attention to your surroundings at all times. If someone acts wonky or overly suspicious, snap a photo and send it immediately somewhere and make eye contact with a polite smile, then keep walking. Let them see you send that photo. Attackers don't like photo evidence around, they'll pick a new victim.

                        Always pay attention to your surroundings and know your area, where populated areas arem where cars are, where roads are, etc. Know your excape routes all the time. Walk with your head up, confident stride and look around and greet people with a polite but offhand type smile. make eye contact, most attackers rely not only on timid victims but also on the fact that many victims cannot positively identify them due to never looking right at them.

                        Teach your dogs a cute trick: it's relatively easy to teach dogs to "smile"...which looks like a snarl. Also to speak, barking dogs deter more people. If you have any quick learners, a "keep 'em" command works well, dog trained to bark like crazy at anyone you tell them to bark at, and to only stop barking if they stand still or walk away.

                        For personal defense a few simple moves are:
                        1) Bark at people, I'm not kidding. Crazy people tend to make many attackers back off. Some entirely but most will back off just long enough for you to be ready to defend yourself better...so you're not surprised when they get over the shock of you barking at them and come back at you again.
                        2) three gruesome facts to remember: it only takes 5 lbs of pressure to remove a human ear and only 7-8 lbs of pressure to remove a human nose and only 3 lbs of pressure to remove their bottom lip. And any of these moves will stop the vast majority of all attackers. Ear: grab lobe close to head in a fist, making sure to tighten your fist and dig your fingernails in...end with a hard and fast jerk straight up and try to jerk your hand at least a few inches above their head. Always aim for a spot well beyond your target reach so you use full force. The ear will come off, or at least most of it will.
                        Nose: Middle and pointer finger jammed up each nostril with hand facing towards you, at same time curl hand into fist and dig in fingernails and jerk fast and hard straight up.
                        Bottom lip: easiest target of the three and works on people much taller than you. Reach out and grab bottom lip with thumb curled under on the outside of the mouth/lip and other fingers curled inside lip between lip and teeth, grip like hell digging in nails and yank down hard as if you're trying to spike a football. The lip rips at corners and dangles under chin.
                        These three moves are for people actively trying to grab you or who have already grabbed you. All are effective and only require a small amount of strength. Children can do these effectively.
                        3) If the person is wearing a running suit or sweat pants or just baggy pants, reach for the testicles and grab in a tight fist, twisting and yanking down with full strength. This causes not only excrutiating pain but most men have an instant vomit reaction. A person vomitting cannot attack.
                        4) If someone has grabbed you and is holding on tight, you only need to pry one finger off...the pointer finger. Do not try to pry the entire hand off, grab the pointed finger with your hand and with a fast very hard movement bend it back towards the back of his hand and hold it there...there's a nerve in there that will be pinched if you bend it fast and hard enough that causes knees to buckle and also a vomit response. And you can control one finger, but most likely not the entire hand so go for the one finger.
                        5) a double punch to the face and head area...left hand used open hand palm forward to swipe hard and fast aiming at the upper lip (this usually results in a hit square to the base of the nose, if you aim right for the nose the head jerk the attacker uses to avoid the hit without thinking causes you to hit the bridge of the nose) and at the same time a tight fist with your right following aiming towards the adam's apple area of his throat.
                        6) Fall on the ground. If they can grab you become totally limp and slither to the ground. Or if they havent grabbed yoou but try then fall to the ground on your hip. Staying on your side keep your feet between him and you. While he'll probably be much stronger in arm muscles than you are, I can guarantee you that your legs are stronger than he is. Kick like a demented mule. Aim for the sides of the knees, groin and if you're wearing hard soled shoes aim for the shin bone with your heel. And scream like a banshee...swearing. People like to come swarming to where they think there's a fight.

                        There are other moves easily executed by anyone of any size, these can be taught with STSD (shock tactic self defense).
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                        • #13
                          What about pepper spray? Heck I hike the Appalachian Trail, miles from anywhere, and most hikers carry nothing at all. They laugh at us that carry bear spray which is nothing but pepper spray. Pepper spray is non lethal and does not require training or expertise to use. You can get little ones the size of cigarette lighters that spray a good distance...and it will mess up someone's day with a hit to their face.

                          I agree that learning some basic self defense is a good idea also. Carry a cell phone and be willing/able to call 911 for help if you feel threatened. Taking a photo is a great idea also.

                          I would urge strong caution with firearms and packing one. I am trained in their use also and they are just not for everyone..and they come with great responsibility to know when to use them and to do so safely for people around you. One thing you have to remember if you point a gun at someone, you have to be willing to pull the trigger and kill them if they call your bluff. If you do that, you damn well better be able to justify it to the police as self defense. It's not as clear a line as you think when there is a dead body.

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                          • #14
                            OP - what state do you live in? Self-defense and concealed carry laws vary widely by state. Carrying a handgun for self-defense is not legal in some states, and in others permits simply aren't issued unless you are wealthy or have made a sizeable contribution to the right elected official. In other states anyone with a clean criminal record can get a permit.

                            Personally I don't care for tasers as you have to get close to attacker for it to work. Also, it has to touch skin, and with the cold weather coming in everyone is bundled up in layers of clothing.

                            Pepper spray / OC / mace is better and can be easily purchased. I'd recommend Fox Labs brand as it's what many police departments use.

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                            • #15
                              Wow, MistyBlue, those personal defense moves are something else. Had not heard of them but committing to memory. I've got a concealed permit but don't "carry" a lot, especially out of the car. Still need to take some of the
                              self defense lessons as bad guys don't stand still like a target giving you lots of time to take aim.

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by gieriscm View Post
                                OP - what state do you live in? Self-defense and concealed carry laws vary widely by state. Carrying a handgun for self-defense is not legal in some states, and in others permits simply aren't issued unless you are wealthy or have made a sizeable contribution to the right elected official. In other states anyone with a clean criminal record can get a permit.

                                Personally I don't care for tasers as you have to get close to attacker for it to work. Also, it has to touch skin, and with the cold weather coming in everyone is bundled up in layers of clothing.

                                Pepper spray / OC / mace is better and can be easily purchased. I'd recommend Fox Labs brand as it's what many police departments use.
                                Thanks!

                                I know my farrier has a concealed weapon permit..which is why I would chat with him first. Just chewing on all the ideas thrown out.

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Daydream Believer View Post
                                  What about pepper spray? Heck I hike the Appalachian Trail, miles from anywhere, and most hikers carry nothing at all. They laugh at us that carry bear spray which is nothing but pepper spray. Pepper spray is non lethal and does not require training or expertise to use. You can get little ones the size of cigarette lighters that spray a good distance...and it will mess up someone's day with a hit to their face.

                                  I agree that learning some basic self defense is a good idea also. Carry a cell phone and be willing/able to call 911 for help if you feel threatened. Taking a photo is a great idea also.

                                  I would urge strong caution with firearms and packing one. I am trained in their use also and they are just not for everyone..and they come with great responsibility to know when to use them and to do so safely for people around you. One thing you have to remember if you point a gun at someone, you have to be willing to pull the trigger and kill them if they call your bluff. If you do that, you damn well better be able to justify it to the police as self defense. It's not as clear a line as you think when there is a dead body.
                                  Do you remember the story about the girl in GA, hiking in the mountains....they found her dog alive, but she wasn't??? I just think in this day and age, it's better to be safe than sorry. I was thinking taser...but it sounds like a spray would be more effective than a taser.

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by MistyBlue View Post
                                    As a firearms instructor I'd suggest working on self defense tactical training first, it takes literally years to be proficient with a small pistol and a certain level of experience and comfort to be able to use on in self defense. Not to mention the legal ramifications of using one in self defense off of your own property and especially in a public park.
                                    If the attacker isn't actually attacking badly enough to leave you marked and/or doesn;t have a weapon on them also you could be screwed.
                                    Classes like STSD training are effective after a few short classes, do not require tons of practice and do not require the woman to have superhuman strength, a black belt or even a weapon on hand to be able to disable an attacker long enough to escape.
                                    (BTW, if anyone has ever been 'tazed' they'd know an attacker does not hop right back up and come after you. Nerves fire wonky for some time afterwards. It disables more than long enough for a person to leave the scene...of course after snapping a cell phone photo of the asshat for id purposes)

                                    Here's some quick advice for now:
                                    Carry a camera cell phone with you all the time, in an easy to reach spot. Do NOT chat on it, pay attention to your surroundings at all times. If someone acts wonky or overly suspicious, snap a photo and send it immediately somewhere and make eye contact with a polite smile, then keep walking. Let them see you send that photo. Attackers don't like photo evidence around, they'll pick a new victim.

                                    Always pay attention to your surroundings and know your area, where populated areas arem where cars are, where roads are, etc. Know your excape routes all the time. Walk with your head up, confident stride and look around and greet people with a polite but offhand type smile. make eye contact, most attackers rely not only on timid victims but also on the fact that many victims cannot positively identify them due to never looking right at them.

                                    Teach your dogs a cute trick: it's relatively easy to teach dogs to "smile"...which looks like a snarl. Also to speak, barking dogs deter more people. If you have any quick learners, a "keep 'em" command works well, dog trained to bark like crazy at anyone you tell them to bark at, and to only stop barking if they stand still or walk away.

                                    For personal defense a few simple moves are:
                                    1) Bark at people, I'm not kidding. Crazy people tend to make many attackers back off. Some entirely but most will back off just long enough for you to be ready to defend yourself better...so you're not surprised when they get over the shock of you barking at them and come back at you again.
                                    2) three gruesome facts to remember: it only takes 5 lbs of pressure to remove a human ear and only 7-8 lbs of pressure to remove a human nose and only 3 lbs of pressure to remove their bottom lip. And any of these moves will stop the vast majority of all attackers. Ear: grab lobe close to head in a fist, making sure to tighten your fist and dig your fingernails in...end with a hard and fast jerk straight up and try to jerk your hand at least a few inches above their head. Always aim for a spot well beyond your target reach so you use full force. The ear will come off, or at least most of it will.
                                    Nose: Middle and pointer finger jammed up each nostril with hand facing towards you, at same time curl hand into fist and dig in fingernails and jerk fast and hard straight up.
                                    Bottom lip: easiest target of the three and works on people much taller than you. Reach out and grab bottom lip with thumb curled under on the outside of the mouth/lip and other fingers curled inside lip between lip and teeth, grip like hell digging in nails and yank down hard as if you're trying to spike a football. The lip rips at corners and dangles under chin.
                                    These three moves are for people actively trying to grab you or who have already grabbed you. All are effective and only require a small amount of strength. Children can do these effectively.
                                    3) If the person is wearing a running suit or sweat pants or just baggy pants, reach for the testicles and grab in a tight fist, twisting and yanking down with full strength. This causes not only excrutiating pain but most men have an instant vomit reaction. A person vomitting cannot attack.
                                    4) If someone has grabbed you and is holding on tight, you only need to pry one finger off...the pointer finger. Do not try to pry the entire hand off, grab the pointed finger with your hand and with a fast very hard movement bend it back towards the back of his hand and hold it there...there's a nerve in there that will be pinched if you bend it fast and hard enough that causes knees to buckle and also a vomit response. And you can control one finger, but most likely not the entire hand so go for the one finger.
                                    5) a double punch to the face and head area...left hand used open hand palm forward to swipe hard and fast aiming at the upper lip (this usually results in a hit square to the base of the nose, if you aim right for the nose the head jerk the attacker uses to avoid the hit without thinking causes you to hit the bridge of the nose) and at the same time a tight fist with your right following aiming towards the adam's apple area of his throat.
                                    6) Fall on the ground. If they can grab you become totally limp and slither to the ground. Or if they havent grabbed yoou but try then fall to the ground on your hip. Staying on your side keep your feet between him and you. While he'll probably be much stronger in arm muscles than you are, I can guarantee you that your legs are stronger than he is. Kick like a demented mule. Aim for the sides of the knees, groin and if you're wearing hard soled shoes aim for the shin bone with your heel. And scream like a banshee...swearing. People like to come swarming to where they think there's a fight.

                                    There are other moves easily executed by anyone of any size, these can be taught with STSD (shock tactic self defense).

                                    I need to print this out...good info.

                                    Actually my dalmatian does smile.....My dal/pointer mix would defintiely growl at someone she felt threatened by, not sure about the other two...but she's pretty damn loyal to me.

                                    I am always alert in my surroundings...I can pick up a strange color or movement many, many yards ahead.

                                    Now learning how to remove body parts....that was new info..thank you.

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                                    • #19
                                      MistyBlue
                                      Excellent advice!

                                      So how do we safely practice these maneuvers?

                                      Can I ask for volunteers? LOL
                                      Last edited by DebbieB; Dec. 2, 2009, 02:24 AM.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by gieriscm View Post
                                        Self-defense and concealed carry laws vary widely by state.
                                        Yes, but the magic words are generally, "Officer, I was afraid for my life." No matter what the question that is the answer and do not deviate.

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