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  • Piebald Deer

    I saw a very unusually marked deer in my pasture a couple of days ago, and managed to get (poor quality) pics of it at dusk last evening. I researched on the internet, and found they are referred to as "Piebald Deer". Pics here:
    http://s2.webstarts.com/selahwayfarm/piebald_deer.html

    These markings are apparently a recessive trait, and happen in one in one thousand. Few make it to adulthood, as the markings make them walking targets. Rumor is rampant about them...one friend told me the DNR urges them to be shot (phone call to our state DNR says this is NOT true). Other rumors state that they are genetically defective, have immune deficiencies, and dwarf-like deformities...and should be "culled". I could not find ANY genetic research that backs up these claims, nor could I find any pics on the internet of other than very normal, healthy-looking (prior to being shot, that is) colorful deer. I did find that albino deer are protected in some states, and that Native Americans thought them sacred:
    http://www.orangecountyweb.org/legends.html

    I was wondering, what would make these markings any different than those of a paint horse...or similarly marked cow, etc? Any thoughts?
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  • #2
    They are probably not different at all, genetically speaking.

    This would be how the first paint horse came to be. The difference is, someone liked it, someone protected it and bred it.

    The deer is not protected and the white on them do make them more easily seen by predators.

    Cows with similar markings are also protected by man, hence their ability to continue as a breed.

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    • #3
      We had one in my neighborhood for a couple of years, along with an albino. It was hit by a car
      The albino, I don't know what happened to it, but it was always smaller than its peers, and seemed to have a sort of rash on her face. Then one day we did not see her any more.
      (as long as I can keep them out of the garden they can hang in my yard all they like, no I take that back, highjacking slightly, I heard an odd noise in my outside last friday looked out to see Bambi and Bambette doing what deer do this time of year NOT IN MY BACKYARD!)
      VERY cool pics, thanks!

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      • #4
        I remember seeing a piebald deer years ago as a kid in Pennsylvania (where I grew up.) She was quite striking and standing in a herd of brown deer.

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        • #5
          Cool pics!

          I believe there is a herd of albino deer near me, but they're fenced in on a property that's not open to the public, so I've never seen them.

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          • #6
            I've seen one once- a member of the herd (I'm assuming) that MHM mentioned.
            There is a very large breeding population of white deer on the now closed Seneca Army Depot in Geneva, NY. It's not open to the public so the herd is somewhat protected, so long as they don't jump out. If I recall correctly, piebald is an incomplete expression of the gene that causes the white.

            They are extremely cool looking. Here's some more info about the Army Depot herd-

            http://www.senecawhitedeer.org/

            MHM, if we are talking about the same herd- go drive by the depot any night around dusk. You cannot miss them. The place is crawling with them.
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            • #7
              My BIL's work in a deer processing shop, they had two albinos and a partial albino (which I think is a piebald) come in to be processed. Apparently hunters love getting these guys. All three were made into full mounts - which is very $$$.

              There's a story somewhere on the net about a piebald buck that Cabelas paid the hunter $13,000 for the hide and head.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Rubyfree View Post
                They are extremely cool looking. Here's some more info about the Army Depot herd-

                http://www.senecawhitedeer.org/

                MHM, if we are talking about the same herd- go drive by the depot any night around dusk. You cannot miss them. The place is crawling with them.
                Yes, that's the herd I meant. I'm on the other side of the lake, but one of these days, I'll have to go see them!

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                • #9
                  I thought you were referring to this sad story. Pinto/piebald and deer.


                  http://news.therecord.com/News/Canad...article/626369

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                  • #10
                    CT has a semi-healthy population of white and pinto deer. Probably due to a couple pretty randy pinto bucks.
                    They're kiinda considered "pets" when they have white markings. Most of the hunters will not shoot them...but there are a few who want to bag only the marked ones. Probably due to them being easier to see, LOL!
                    The actor Rip Torn owns a large acreage farm here in CT and he has quite a few of the pinto deer on his property.
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                    Hold onto the bridle!
                    Jump in the line!
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                    • #11
                      We had a few in our neighborhood when I was in my early teens (about 25 years ago). There were probably 5 or so in a herd of 20 deer that hung around the area. So cool to see them stream by up the hill from our house, through the trees. Never got a picture, but pretty similar to the ones in the OPs post. No one hunted them, but I never saw them much more often as the county I lived in exploded in population, wiping out most of the wildlife.
                      Proud member of the "Don't rush to kill wildlife" clique!

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                      • #12
                        I JUST saw a decent size buck. He ran across the street and I had a great view of him. Looked very healthy. By the time I could pull over and grab my camera, he crossed back and ran into the woods.

                        He was all white, not an albino.

                        In the past few years, every once and a while, we spot one, and they always look healthy.

                        My friend has 2 living at her big farm. A buck and a doe

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                        • #13
                          Your pictures were really good! We have spotted a nearly all white one in the woods around here. Saw it in a field one day--no camera but had the cell phone--really bad photos!!

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                          • #14
                            Neat! I had no idea there was such a thing as a pinto deer!
                            I realize that I'm generalizing here, but as is often the case when I generalize, I don't care. ~ Dave Barry

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                            • #15
                              Many years ago, when this discussion came up, our game warden told us that pinto deer were a recessive that showed up in inbred herds most, otherwise was rare, as those deer were hunted by predators and humans easier.

                              We have never had one and our herds have not been that large or inbred, so maybe there is something to that?
                              Or maybe the deer in the East have a different set of genes.

                              The white ones, I don't know about those, we also have never had any of them here, that we know.

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                              • #16
                                Oh wow, pinto deer! I've never heard of them, altho I've seen pictures of albino deer. Please do not let the color breeders know about this.

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                                  Originally posted by cloudyandcallie View Post
                                  Oh wow, pinto deer! I've never heard of them, altho I've seen pictures of albino deer. Please do not let the color breeders know about this.
                                  That's so funny...the color breeders are the first ones I thought about...and then when I kept seeing all the rumors posted on the net that somehow the hunters were doing the world a favor by "culling" them...well, that did not sound right either. I'm certainly not anti-hunting, but I hope to see this one for years to come.

                                  LOVED the pics of the white deer herd in NY!

                                  Hate the story about the woman's horses getting shot for deer. It's difficult to think of horses getting mistaken for deer...but every year the hunters are out there shooting each other as well...go figure
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                                  • #18
                                    We have had some piebald and albino deer around here, but unfortunately I've never seen one (alive). A friend of ours who is an avid hunter said he saw a "palomino" or "dun" deer near his house in Depew, NY. It wasn't white or albino. It was as close as he could describe it a "palomino" And he breeds paints, so he knows his colors.

                                    I've also seen emailed photos of twin albino black bear cubs and 20 years or so ago, we had an albino barn swallow. I did see that one!
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                                    • #19
                                      There was a story in the news in Oregon a couple of years ago about a woman that had raised a mostly white deer. If I remember it had some brown ticking on it. I think it also had some sort of deformity. Anyway, the wildlife people confiscated it because she didn't have a permit. Any other Portland area people have a better recollection than I do?
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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Rubyfree View Post
                                        I've seen one once- a member of the herd (I'm assuming) that MHM mentioned.
                                        There is a very large breeding population of white deer on the now closed Seneca Army Depot in Geneva, NY. It's not open to the public so the herd is somewhat protected, so long as they don't jump out. If I recall correctly, piebald is an incomplete expression of the gene that causes the white.

                                        They are extremely cool looking. Here's some more info about the Army Depot herd-

                                        http://www.senecawhitedeer.org/

                                        MHM, if we are talking about the same herd- go drive by the depot any night around dusk. You cannot miss them. The place is crawling with them.
                                        Our house guests this past weekend are from that area and mentioned the 'white' not albino deer at the old Seneca Army Depot. He confirmed it is due to a recessive white gene in a closed herd. That was the first I have heard of this.
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