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  • Rattle snakes not RATTLING!!! ERRR

    Well, the last 8 weeks I have had around 10 rattle snake "run in's".

    In those 10 snakes, only 2 rattled. One rattled in the corner of our porch, the other AFTER it bit my Mom's horse (I was riding) on the trail. I saw around 3 on the trail and non of them rattled.

    Some didn't even rattle when we scooped them up to drive them way out into the desert to re-home them. ?????????? I almost stepped on an 8 inch baby rattler last night in the garage. I rolled my friends cart right next to it and stepped with in 3 inches of it--then jumped back around 6 feet with a HUGE yell. It never moved. I first thought it was dead--but, when we scooped it up, it tried to get away.

    Two weeks ago on a trail ride (as stated above), I was looking at the ground and saw a snake "track" and even pointed it out and looked to both sides of the track. Neither of us saw anything. Then, my moms horse (I was riding bare back and in a halter--thank God he is bomb proof. I know, I know--stupid, but was being lazy and felt safe.), I saw out of the corner of my eye as we were almost completely passed this snake, this thing leap next to me and then my horse kicked out. THEN it rattled. ??? It also was having a hard time getting it's jaw to re-aligned. It totally spooked me for the next few days. The horse only had one puncture wound and never even swelled up? Big snake too! The stupid snake waited till we were almost passed it---then bit first, before rattling?

    The next was a rattle snake next to the barn all coiled up and looked to be sleeping. I don't know how it wanted to stay there with all the noise we were making. We put him in a trash can and took him to the desert too. He was a giant and had around 16 "buttons". Never rattled that whole time--just wanted to get away.

    The next one I saw, was the day after my trail ride. I was spooked and this snake was heading into the horses pin and I was jumping up and down clapping things together, it acted like it had no sense of "hearing" or "senses"?. It was around 4 feet long and it had a broken rattle. Friend killed it. But, it never even rattled while he was walking up to it with a shovel. Never even coiled up.

    The next was our niece and nephew playing in the pool and jumping off of our water fall. The 3 year old steps over the snake and then says, "there is a rattle snake mom." Sure enough it was around 2 feet long and just laid there as kids jumped and stepped over it. We all nearly had a heart attack thinking about the outcome that could of happened.

    Then this baby rattler in the garage, another in the bush outside (almost wandering if it was the same one--both same size)

    OH the one on our porch. My husband and I just happened to look out on the front porch and there was one in the corner. We stepped out---it sucked back--then rattled fiercely. We turned around and RAN inside....I think my husband almost ran me over.

    SO, my questions. Why could there be so many rattle snakes not rattling? And how do we get them off our property?

    Sorry for the this being so long, must of had to get this out of my system. LOL
    *Better to have loved than to have never loved at all.*
    ALWAYS Blessings NEVER losses.

  • #2
    Post this on the "Why they spook at logs" thread on Off Course and 2Jakes, our resident expert on all things reptile, can answer it for you!
    Laurie

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      #3
      thanks

      Originally posted by lauriep View Post
      Post this on the "Why they spook at logs" thread on Off Course and 2Jakes, our resident expert on all things reptile, can answer it for you!
      Hello,

      Will do!
      *Better to have loved than to have never loved at all.*
      ALWAYS Blessings NEVER losses.

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      • #4
        Where are you located? I thought rattle snakes got less active in the cooler months. Obviously, I don't know anything about them!

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          #5
          I'm in Scottsdale area.... 2 weeks ago, it was like they were out in groves.

          The weather is just now cooling off here in Arizona.
          *Better to have loved than to have never loved at all.*
          ALWAYS Blessings NEVER losses.

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          • #6
            I watched some TV show about a rattlesnake roound-up. Apparently in recent years, some of the rattlers have gone quiet or silent. They assume it is a mutation towards survival.
            The virtual "woodshed" seems the only remedy for willful fools .

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            • #7
              Wow this brings back memories. I lost my dog Megan July 5 to a rattler, but it was rattling like crazy. then two weeks later I had another one in my barn that was about 7' long, it never saw me coming and I shot it before it coiled up.

              Are you having an issue with rats or mice or some other small animal? Obviously there is something they like about your place.

              I just am amazed that you all are catching these things and not getting bit. Good God.
              "Perhaps the final test of anybody's love of dogs is their willingness to permit them to make a camping ground of the bed" -Henry T. Merwin

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Horsecrazy27 View Post
                Well, the last 8 weeks I have had around 10 rattle snake "run in's".

                In those 10 snakes, only 2 rattled. One rattled in the corner of our porch, the other AFTER it bit my Mom's horse (I was riding) on the trail. I saw around 3 on the trail and non of them rattled.

                It's a myth that all rattlesnakes will rattle when 'threatened' or rattle as a 'warning' also, if it's damp out or wet... you will not hear a rattlesnakes rattle -- the rattle sound if 'muffled'.

                The next was a rattle snake next to the barn all coiled up and looked to be sleeping. I don't know how it wanted to stay there with all the noise we were making. We put him in a trash can and took him to the desert too. He was a giant and had around 16 "buttons". Never rattled that whole time--just wanted to get away.

                The next one I saw, was the day after my trail ride. I was spooked and this snake was heading into the horses pin and I was jumping up and down clapping things together, it acted like it had no sense of "hearing" or "senses"?. It was around 4 feet long and it had a broken rattle. Friend killed it. But, it never even rattled while he was walking up to it with a shovel. Never even coiled up.

                Um, you can jump up and down and bang all the pots and pans you want... the snake won't hear you, but may feel your landings after each jump snakes do not hear like us, their 'ears' are internal and sound travels through their muscle to bones in their jaw, which are near the internal ear.

                SO, my questions. Why could there be so many rattle snakes not rattling? And how do we get them off our property?

                has there been any new construction nearby? usually digging will send snakes to quieter areas. You might have a rodent problem and the snakes are helping you one can not snake proof property, but one can make the habitat on your property less desirable.

                I live with rattlesnakes, do not like them but have taken measures to reduce rodents in the barn and storage areas, keep wood piles and other clutter tidy so they don't have a place to hide or call home!


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                • #9
                  We had a ten button one "helping" us with some framing we were doing today and it sure was annoyed and rattling for all it was worth.

                  We took care of it with a shovel, we didn't want to have to keep watching for that annoyed rattler.

                  Some rattle, others don't. The smaller prarie rattlers do, the bigger coontail ones not as much.
                  They are all very dangerous to anyone they bite.

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                  • #10
                    I am so so so glad that I do not live where you do - I would not be handling what you described well at all. Rattle snakes that don't rattle, well that's just not fair!

                    Best of luck on eradicating your problem.

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                    • #11
                      How long are the rattles on these snakes? There was one a few months back in my stallions pasture that rattled his tail but made no noise. And it was quite obvious why he didn't. His rattle was too short. Only about 5 buttons (but the snake was huge). There wasn't enough of a rattle too make a noise. I grabbed his tail after he was deceased, and shook it myself. The buttons were in just too short. No noise at all.

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                      • #12
                        OK, crossing off Texas, Arizona and Tennessee as
                        places I would ever live.

                        Dot
                        www.settlementfarm.us

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by dotneko View Post
                          OK, crossing off Texas, Arizona and Tennessee as
                          places I would ever live.

                          Dot
                          They aren't that bad around here. I grew up here. Never saw one a day in my life, until we bought a farm several years back about 25 miles from where I grew up. The farm us surrounded by state forestry. There's a whole mess of them out there. But if I tell folks about it, many to this day still don't believe there are rattlesnakes in this area. I have 'proof'

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Horsecrazy27 View Post
                            Well, the last 8 weeks I have had around 10 rattle snake "run in's".

                            In those 10 snakes, only 2 rattled. One rattled in the corner of our porch, the other AFTER it bit my Mom's horse (I was riding) on the trail. I saw around 3 on the trail and non of them rattled.

                            Some didn't even rattle when we scooped them up to drive them way out into the desert to re-home them. ?????????? I almost stepped on an 8 inch baby rattler last night in the garage. I rolled my friends cart right next to it and stepped with in 3 inches of it--then jumped back around 6 feet with a HUGE yell. It never moved. I first thought it was dead--but, when we scooped it up, it tried to get away.

                            Two weeks ago on a trail ride (as stated above), I was looking at the ground and saw a snake "track" and even pointed it out and looked to both sides of the track. Neither of us saw anything. Then, my moms horse (I was riding bare back and in a halter--thank God he is bomb proof. I know, I know--stupid, but was being lazy and felt safe.), I saw out of the corner of my eye as we were almost completely passed this snake, this thing leap next to me and then my horse kicked out. THEN it rattled. ??? It also was having a hard time getting it's jaw to re-aligned. It totally spooked me for the next few days. The horse only had one puncture wound and never even swelled up? Big snake too! The stupid snake waited till we were almost passed it---then bit first, before rattling?

                            The next was a rattle snake next to the barn all coiled up and looked to be sleeping. I don't know how it wanted to stay there with all the noise we were making. We put him in a trash can and took him to the desert too. He was a giant and had around 16 "buttons". Never rattled that whole time--just wanted to get away.

                            The next one I saw, was the day after my trail ride. I was spooked and this snake was heading into the horses pin and I was jumping up and down clapping things together, it acted like it had no sense of "hearing" or "senses"?. It was around 4 feet long and it had a broken rattle. Friend killed it. But, it never even rattled while he was walking up to it with a shovel. Never even coiled up.

                            The next was our niece and nephew playing in the pool and jumping off of our water fall. The 3 year old steps over the snake and then says, "there is a rattle snake mom." Sure enough it was around 2 feet long and just laid there as kids jumped and stepped over it. We all nearly had a heart attack thinking about the outcome that could of happened.

                            Then this baby rattler in the garage, another in the bush outside (almost wandering if it was the same one--both same size)

                            OH the one on our porch. My husband and I just happened to look out on the front porch and there was one in the corner. We stepped out---it sucked back--then rattled fiercely. We turned around and RAN inside....I think my husband almost ran me over.

                            SO, my questions. Why could there be so many rattle snakes not rattling? And how do we get them off our property?

                            Sorry for the this being so long, must of had to get this out of my system. LOL
                            I don't know where you live... but it sounds like HELL!!!!!! Where the hec do you live so that I NEVER EVER EVER Move there!!!!

                            ECK ECK EKCKKKKK
                            If i'm posting on Coth, it's either raining so I can't ride or it's night time and I can't sleep.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Donkey View Post
                              I am so so so glad that I do not live where you do - I would not be handling what you described well at all. Rattle snakes that don't rattle, well that's just not fair!
                              Originally posted by dotneko View Post
                              OK, crossing off Texas, Arizona and Tennessee as
                              places I would ever live.

                              Dot
                              Originally posted by Catersun View Post
                              I don't know where you live... but it sounds like HELL!!!!!! Where the hec do you live so that I NEVER EVER EVER Move there!!!!

                              ECK ECK EKCKKKKK
                              to cross off a few more states... the only States that do not have rattlesnakes are Alaska, Hawaii, Maine, and Delaware (but the latter two have other snakes to deal with

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                              • #16
                                Kill them kill them kill them! Horrible things. I lost a JR 6 years ago to one & continually hear about snake problems. My JR was a house dog who just went out to pee! Now I can't relax even for a moment. Just hate snakes.
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                                • #17
                                  We do have rattlesnakes in Massachusetts, but
                                  I thought they were only in the Berkshires.
                                  I can't believe they are in NH or VT.

                                  Dot
                                  www.settlementfarm.us

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                                  • #18
                                    oooohhhh, I hate snakes! Earlier in the summer, I was scooping poop out of the pasture, and a baby rattler (about the length and size of a pencil) crawled right between my feet! My husband was several yards away, and I tried to scream, but nothing would come out! I just watched it get away. I thought, "where in the heck did that come from?!" and looked down, and there was a freshly shed skin about two inches from my right foot. EWWW! I normally always have my "snake charmer" with me....but I uncharacteristically had forgotten to strap it on (my snake charmer is a Taurus Judge....I highly recommend them. They are a revolver that holds .45 colt ammo, and/or .410 shotgun shells....in the summer, I always keep it loaded with the .410's... they are the perfect ruin to Mr. Sneaky Snake's day!!!) We have an infestation of chipmunks around the pasture, and thats what they're after. The neighbor has about 4 cats, plus there are several strays that hang around, but they don't seem to be helping! We also have a problem with copperheads (they are after the 'munks too), and there are also 3 catfish ponds on the property, so we see lots of water moccassins (cottonmouths) too!

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                                    • #19
                                      Rattlesnakes usually travel the same path for life, and tend to get "stuck" around our barns/flower beds/houses anything that disrupts their original path.
                                      Why so many, most likely construction or something that has disrupted where they were.
                                      Temperature and feed supply can make them slow.
                                      There are Pigmy Rattlers, they do/can not rattle.
                                      Also some others have gone quiet. Due us to killing off the better ones the weaker rattlers are now breeding and creating quiet or non rattlers.
                                      If your up to it, get a piglet as a pet.
                                      Allow it to free range just as a dog would, pigs hate snakes and will hunt and kill them.
                                      Since they have a thick fat layer directly under the skin and no blood vessels there, even if they get bit the venom just sits dormant and no harm done.
                                      A piglet- is easier to work with and train property boundries, also much easier to get horses used to the small ones.
                                      Lived on larger land parcels, not sure how small your acerage-remember they are RUTTERS, but you'll have no snakes.
                                      Last edited by Ltc4h; Nov. 2, 2009, 12:55 PM.

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                                      • #20
                                        I've heard that too about the pigs. I've also heard Mountain Cur dogs are phenomenal at seeking them out and letting you know they are there.

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