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  • Renting barn stall for rainy days, what charge would be fair?

    Board at this particular barn ranges from $275-450. Said barn has MANY vacancies. Have 2 horse in self-maintained small pasture that I'd like to keep nice by bringing horses into barn on the really rainy days. Too much mud + too many hooves= NO more nice pasture. What would be fair to offer the BO? Thanks for the help!
    Last edited by Dune; Oct. 30, 2009, 12:47 PM. Reason: question wasn't clear to folks

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    Depends... My barn charges $25 per day for people who trailer in for a lesson or clinic and need one for one reason or another. If the stalls aren't kept bedded, they will have to put 3-4 bags of shavings in, then clean or strip it. Thats a decent amount of $ in supplies and labor.

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      ETA: If this is YOU making the call about the horses coming in/out, then you shouldn't charge anything or should just raise the board to cover your costs. I would expect that service from any pasture board operation that didn't have a sacrifice paddock. If it's the BOARDERS deciding that they want the horses in on certain days and you're wanting to make that a profit opportunity, then I've given my advice below.

      If you're providing the shavings and mucking, then take your stall board rate and divide it by 30. Use that as a place to start negotiating.

      If they're providing the shavings and mucking, then you can sort of make it up as you go along. Make sure you have some system by which you can capture extra money if they don't muck--for example, they have to write you two checks for $15 and $10 and you'll tear up the $10 one if they strip the stall.
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        If my horse was on pasture board and the BO decided the field needed a break I would not expect to pay anything to have my horse is a stall for a few days.

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          Your question is confusing, are you the barn owner looking to make money off stalls with out horses in them or are you a horse owner that wants a cheap stall?

          I can see a daily stall fee being an amount slightly higher than the monthly board divided by 30. Random extras usually cost more than long term commitments.

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            Originally posted by kitsunegari View Post
            If my horse was on pasture board and the BO decided the field needed a break I would not expect to pay anything to have my horse is a stall for a few days.
            Me neither. It's not my fault that the barn doesn't have a sacrifice pasture or something. If I'm paying for pasture board, I should not have random stall charges. And who decides if the field is too wet? What if the entire winter is too wet? Will I have to pay stall board for two months??

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            • #7
              Multiple answers for a broad question.

              If they want to just use a stall, they do all work, they bring horse in, they bed, they feed, they clean... $5-10 a day.

              If you do all work, you bring horse in, you bed, you feed, you clean... $20-25 a day.

              Depending on what the situation is, it could be anywhere between the two prices. No more than the $25 a day though.
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                Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
                Your question is confusing, are you the barn owner looking to make money off stalls with out horses in them or are you a horse owner that wants a cheap stall?

                I can see a daily stall fee being an amount slightly higher than the monthly board divided by 30. Random extras usually cost more than long term commitments.
                Ok, sorry, I was trying to be vague so that you all weren't biased one way or the other. Guess that didn't work too well. Small pastures are maintained by the boarders, you rent the space do all the maintenance (weeding/seeding) and BO clean twice a week and feed/water daily. Because these are small pastures, they don't hold up well in the rain and I'd like to "save" them by bringing my horses into the barn when the pastures are *really* wet, and only then. I was thinking about offering a "per day stay" that would work for both parties, I just didn't know what was fair. I was trying to think of it from both sides, since I've been on both ends of the deal. I'd be deciding when horses would come in, would bring them in myself and could even provide the shavings to start with, I'm thinking that's the most expensive part. Would love your unbiased opinion.

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                • #9
                  It will be tedious for your BO to have to keep track of how many days your horses were in each month. I would figure out approximately how many nights of stabling you might use in a month, and then expect to pay a slightly higher per day rate for those stalls than the stall boarders do, especially if the barn beds & cleans the stall, etc. The reason for the higher rate is that predictable work and bedding supply needs is easier to deal with than unpredictable work and supply needs, and also you are still "taking up stalls" even if you aren't using them every day (it doesn't matter that the barn has extras.)

                  Lets say the barn charges $15/day for stall board, you pay $10/day for pasture board. Assume that your per day rate for stall board should be about $16 or $17. So, $7 x 6 days = $42 extra per month per horse. Just a possible example.
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                    As a boarder, if I want my mare in a stall when it's gross out or she is ill or injured, I expect to pay full board even if she is out 24/7 the rest of the time. To me, the privilege of having a stall available when I want/need it means I am paying for the stall, and the fact that she is out 24/7 the rest of the time just means I lucked out and found a place with really good turnout!!!

                    If a sacrifice paddock was really important to me, I would scope that out when barn hunting. Maybe BO would let you use some temp fencing to limit the horses to a smaller area of the pasture and save the rest of the grass?

                    Since she has many vacancies, maybe she would cut you a break w/a daily rate, but I would ask her what she would charge, with the understanding that when you start talking about putting a horse in a stall whenever the weather isn't suitable, you are now talking about stall board with practically 24/7 turnout rather than true pasture board.

                    My opinion might be slightly colored by living in an area where 24/7 turnout at a farm with stalls and an indoor is practically unheard of, though!

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                    • #11
                      This is EXACTLY why we charge a flat rate. It includes a stall. You can use it daily, weekly, or yearly. Because if your horse is outside, I still have to bring it in twice a day to eat AND pick up all the manure in the sheds, fields, and sacrifice areas.

                      I guess take the cost for stall board and pro-rate it.
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                      • #12
                        This is going to sound snarky and I really don't mean it to be, but my answer is: : Ask the BO.

                        I'm not sure that is something you can make an offer on. What seems fair to you might not seem fair to the BO. I think you need to just ask what they want to charge for that. They are the only ones really in the know about how much they are paying for shavings and labor. Sadly, just because there are open stalls, doesn't change the cost of materials or man hours. If you are willing to buy your own bedding and do the cleaning yourself, then you might be in a position to make an offer, but otherwise I think it's the BO's decision on what they'd like to charge for that and what is fair in their opinion.
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                        • #13
                          I assume the pasture includes SHELTER (if it doesn't, it's in violation of many regulations). How about asking the barn owner if it's okay to install a pre-made gate (like pipe panels) to keep the horses in? Or perhaps corral panels, which are verrrrry movable.

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                            Originally posted by spotmenow View Post
                            This is EXACTLY why we charge a flat rate. It includes a stall. You can use it daily, weekly, or yearly. Because if your horse is outside, I still have to bring it in twice a day to eat AND pick up all the manure in the sheds, fields, and sacrifice areas.
                            Exactly. Boarders don't seem to understand that it's the "justs" ("Well, I just want them brought in for a week when my pasture is wet" or "I don't see why full board is so much extra - I just want my blankets changed three times a day!") that cost the barn staff so much extra time,..........which translates into extra money. And keeping track of the "justs" is even more of a PITA. So, by the end of the month, the "justs" will quite probably have added up to much more than full board. Suck it up and pay full board for the months you think "your" paddock/pasture needs a break.

                            I guess take the cost for stall board and pro-rate it.
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                              Originally posted by ESG View Post
                              Exactly. Boarders don't seem to understand that it's the "justs" ("Well, I just want them brought in for a week when my pasture is wet" or "I don't see why full board is so much extra - I just want my blankets changed three times a day!") that cost the barn staff so much extra time,..........which translates into extra money. And keeping track of the "justs" is even more of a PITA. So, by the end of the month, the "justs" will quite probably have added up to much more than full board. Suck it up and pay full board for the months you think "your" paddock/pasture needs a break.

                              Absolutely not. See reasons above.
                              OK, let's not get into a rant about PIA boarders, ESG. I've heard your complaints before and wasn't asking for that on this thread. So, when you guys are saying "full board" or "flat rate", do you mean that you'd pay box stall rates? So, for example, if your pasture costs $600 for both horses but a box stall for *each* horse is $400 (which would be $800 for both), would you expect to pay the $800.00 or that amount *plus* the pasture fee? BTW, for those that mentioned it, I figured I'd buy shavings and just kinda "keep" the same 2 stalls for the winter, I'd be moving the horses and could/would keep track of the days used. The only thing that would change for the guys is the horses would be in a different location, they still feed/clean regardless of location. TIA!

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                                Originally posted by Long Spot View Post
                                This is going to sound snarky and I really don't mean it to be, but my answer is: : Ask the BO.

                                I'm not sure that is something you can make an offer on. What seems fair to you might not seem fair to the BO. I think you need to just ask what they want to charge for that. They are the only ones really in the know about how much they are paying for shavings and labor. Sadly, just because there are open stalls, doesn't change the cost of materials or man hours. If you are willing to buy your own bedding and do the cleaning yourself, then you might be in a position to make an offer, but otherwise I think it's the BO's decision on what they'd like to charge for that and what is fair in their opinion.
                                LOL, doesn't sound snarky at all. Yes, I've started dialog with her, I was just wondering what was fair/typical that's all.

                                Originally posted by nightsong View Post
                                I assume the pasture includes SHELTER (if it doesn't, it's in violation of many regulations). How about asking the barn owner if it's okay to install a pre-made gate (like pipe panels) to keep the horses in? Or perhaps corral panels, which are verrrrry movable.
                                WEll....technically it does have a shelter, but it's a free standing 12x12 with no sides to it. So, basically it provides some shade but no protection from the wind or rain. Part of the reason for asking folks' opinion is to determine what's fair, and depending on what the BO says in this instance, whether or not my $$ would be better spent on building something in the pasture itself.

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                                  Originally posted by Dune View Post
                                  OK, let's not get into a rant about PIA boarders, ESG. I've heard your complaints before and wasn't asking for that on this thread. So, when you guys are saying "full board" or "flat rate", do you mean that you'd pay box stall rates? So, for example, if your pasture costs $600 for both horses but a box stall for *each* horse is $400 (which would be $800 for both), would you expect to pay the $800.00 or that amount *plus* the pasture fee? BTW, for those that mentioned it, I figured I'd buy shavings and just kinda "keep" the same 2 stalls for the winter, I'd be moving the horses and could/would keep track of the days used. The only thing that would change for the guys is the horses would be in a different location, they still feed/clean regardless of location. TIA!
                                  Do the horses w/box stalls also have their own pastures for turnout? If so, I'd expect to be paying 800. If your horses are going to have access to a stall whenever, plus a private pasture, I could understand a higher cost. Not necessarily 1400, but possibly 1000 or so, which would be 100 extra per horse for private turnout. You would really have to talk to the BO to see what she thinks is reasonable. You'd be taking up space that could fit 2 other horses, but on the other hand, she wouldn't have quite as much labor. It really depends on the BO's priorities and prior experiences with making special accommodations, how much a change like this is worth to her.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by pony89 View Post
                                    As a boarder, if I want my mare in a stall when it's gross out or she is ill or injured, I expect to pay full board even if she is out 24/7 the rest of the time. To me, the privilege of having a stall available when I want/need it means I am paying for the stall, and the fact that she is out 24/7 the rest of the time just means I lucked out and found a place with really good turnout!!!

                                    If a sacrifice paddock was really important to me, I would scope that out when barn hunting. Maybe BO would let you use some temp fencing to limit the horses to a smaller area of the pasture and save the rest of the grass?

                                    Since she has many vacancies, maybe she would cut you a break w/a daily rate, but I would ask her what she would charge, with the understanding that when you start talking about putting a horse in a stall whenever the weather isn't suitable, you are now talking about stall board with practically 24/7 turnout rather than true pasture board.

                                    My opinion might be slightly colored by living in an area where 24/7 turnout at a farm with stalls and an indoor is practically unheard of, though!
                                    Took the words right out of my mouth. If you want access to a stall whenever you feel like using it, then you should expect to pay whatever the BO's rate for stall board is -- no matter how often your horses use their stalls


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                                    • #19
                                      I think paying the stall board rate is only fair if there aren't any vacancies. The OP said there are plenty of vacant stalls.

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                                        Originally posted by pony89 View Post
                                        Do the horses w/box stalls also have their own pastures for turnout? If so, I'd expect to be paying 800. If your horses are going to have access to a stall whenever, plus a private pasture, I could understand a higher cost. Not necessarily 1400, but possibly 1000 or so, which would be 100 extra per horse for private turnout. You would really have to talk to the BO to see what she thinks is reasonable. You'd be taking up space that could fit 2 other horses, but on the other hand, she wouldn't have quite as much labor. It really depends on the BO's priorities and prior experiences with making special accommodations, how much a change like this is worth to her.
                                        Horses in box stalls don't have their own pastures, just to clarify that. In a high density area, so we do things a bit differently here. Does that change your answer?

                                        Originally posted by Phaxxton View Post
                                        Took the words right out of my mouth. If you want access to a stall whenever you feel like using it, then you should expect to pay whatever the BO's rate for stall board is -- no matter how often your horses use their stalls
                                        Ok, so instead of paying $600 ($300 per horse) for the pasture, then paying $800 ($400 per horse) would be fair/normal/expected?...or is that on top of the pasture costs.....just trying to determine what is done at other barns. Thanks.

                                        Originally posted by citydog View Post
                                        I think paying the stall board rate is only fair if there aren't any vacancies. The OP said there are plenty of vacant stalls.
                                        Yes, in fact there are NO horses in the barn right now, although she said that could change but knowing the facility/management like I do....I highly doubt it. The barn has NEVER been full in the 40 years it's been in existence. I realize that doesn't change the "worth" of the stall, but just FWIW. Thanks everyone, this is helping!

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