• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Human Pass Thru's In Fence Lines

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Human Pass Thru's In Fence Lines

    I am having some long fence lines replaced. The one in question was very old and it had a place where I could crawl through to feed and hay the retiree's in their field.

    The new fence lines will be 3 rail, post and rail with a strand of electric wire on top. No way for me to get through or over easily.

    I can put a gate in at that end -- but the downside is:
    1. having to unattach the electric wire (scares me just enough that I hate to do it) each time,
    2. open the gate into a group of horses, and
    3. fight off hungry horses with my arms full of buckets.

    I see this as a recipe for me getting hurt and/or horses getting loose.

    The alternative I am thinking of, but I have never put one in myself, is what I am calling a "pass through":

    a 3' (approx) wide gap in the fence with a 4' (approx) wide section of fence directly (18" ?) in front of it, so that I can go in, turn L or R to get into the field, but the horses cannot get out.

    Has anyone built such a pass through? Do they like it? Dislike it? What dimensions are the best? (The above dimensions are seeming a tad roomy now that I think about it...)

    I LOVE the idea of not having to open and close gates when I am feeding and blanketing!!! It makes my life 100 times easier.

    Any other suggestions? I have also seen an inverted "V" used instead of a straight section. Opinions?

    Thanks!
    "He lives in a cocoon of solipsism"

    Charles Krauthammer speaking about Trump


  • #2
    Be careful!

    I have a friend who has a somewhat similar sounding setup to make it easier to get into an adjoining field. A few years ago, a weanling went through the passthrough and almost got killed by the gelding in that field. Yikes.

    This is a long way of saying that I would want to be very sure that the passthrough didn't in anyway tempt a horse to try to get through, and that you weren't ever going to count on it to confine critters (foals, ponies) who could wiggle through.
    I tolerate all kinds of animal idiosyncrasies.
    I've found that I don't tolerate people idiosyncrasies as well. - Casey09

    Comment


    • #3
      I'm having a pass-through put in on my last section of fence, and will do the inverted-v shape for safety reasons.

      Comment


      • #4
        I did. It worked pretty well. If I had to do it over, I would probably make mine bigger. None of my retirees wore blankets, so I wasn't caring anything in/out besides a halter/lead over my shoulder or a couple of wormers or a syringe of something. But if you're planning on carrying buckets or blankets or other stuff, you want it big enough to walk through carrying that stuff. The size of a door (whatever that is) would be good. I'm thinking mine is just 2 feet, just wide enough for a person. Really needs to be 3 or so.

        And mine isn't a gap in the fence, it's a u-shape. Saw this on a farm somewhere else, my folks loved it and built it into the front fence line. It just isn't big enough.
        Last edited by Sleepy; Oct. 29, 2009, 12:22 PM.
        'Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.'
        - Pablo Picasso

        Comment


        • #5
          I have one that has worked very well. It is at the end of the fence line, however, and is built a little differently. The gap is absolutely at the end of the fence line at the corner, so there is no turning either way to get in - I read this helps make them more small horse proof, as horses can't angle in the corner to align themselves for escape. I'll try to draw it but am lousy at stick art, so view periods as just place holders.

          . . . ________
          . . . . . . . . . |
          _________. . |
          . . . . . . . . . |
          . . . . . . . . . |
          . . . . . . . . . |

          Both gaps are about 18 inches only, and the fence section in front is much longer than the gap, several feet longer. It is a tight passageway.

          No horse, including a foal/weanling, has ever made it through, although one weanling investigated and gave up.

          Comment


          • #6
            I know several people that have them and if I had a type of fence that allowed it, I would definitely have them as well. They are definitely a great time saver!
            "Can't shake the devil's hand and say you're only kidding"

            Comment


            • #7
              We had an inverted V pass through in our fence, and it worked very well except for the day that our old Appaloosa gelding, who was very narrow and also VERY pissed at being left behind for an hour, burst through the pass through and came trotting after us. That's the only time it ever happened...but keep in mind that with a really motivated horse, it can happen. (Of course, a really motivated horse can also go over/thru the fence itself.) We really did love that pass through, though - so much easier than dealing with gates.
              In memory of Rebuff (1974-2009)

              Rest in peace, my sweet man

              Comment


              • #8
                I guess that you have considered feeding over the fence, so horses don't fight and you may find yourself in the middle of that.
                Best would be not to need at all to go in there to feed and, once the horses are settled with their meal, you can go thru the gate and do whatever you need to any one without being in a mob situation.

                I wonder if you can safely make one large enough to go thru with buckets and hay and such?
                They generally are made just wide enough for people to walk thru sideways, but too narrow to be carrying stuff.

                Those people walkways are nice to have, but they are one more place for something to happen, unnecessary risk if you don't absolutely need to have it.

                Comment

                • Original Poster

                  #9
                  Originally posted by FairWeather View Post
                  I'm having a pass-through put in on my last section of fence, and will do the inverted-v shape for safety reasons.

                  When will yours be put in? My new fence is going in next week -- I have a feeling that I will not get to see yours before I have to decide on mine...

                  Hypothetically speaking, if the opening in the fence line is 3' with both a straight panel and a "V", and if the space between the fenceline and the inner posts is 18" for both types of pass thru's,

                  then, a flat panel pass through would be 4' - 5' long and 18" into the field.

                  While a "V" would be ? long on each side and how far would it need to extend into the field?

                  The primary safety benefits to the "V" are: ?

                  -- I am guessing that, from the side, the "V" has dimension and is easier for a horse to see and not run into. But, are there other safety benefits of the "V" over the flat panel?

                  dressage traks, I cannot understand your diagram. Are you showing 2 fields or just one? Is your pass thru a short section of fence offset in the corner, but with no corresponding section placed in front of it?

                  I will play around with that with rails on the ground.
                  "He lives in a cocoon of solipsism"

                  Charles Krauthammer speaking about Trump

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    I have them in two of my fields. I use them occasionally (I put them at the bottom of the fields so if I wanted to get out down there I wouldn't have to trek back to the top and retrace steps). So mine aren't for carrying blankets through (though my thought on this is to just make the pass through narrow and toss the blankets on top of the fenceline, walk through the pass through, and pick up the blankets from the other side -- unless the electric makes this impossible).

                    Mine look like Dressagetraks', except instead of being in a corner they are in the fenceline so the top line is straight, instead of at a right angle.

                    In order to make it less appealing, I put a fencepost by itself a foot? away from the middle of the gap. I'll try to "draw" it:


                    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . x___________________________
                    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .x
                    _____________________x


                    The x's are fenceposts.


                    That's probably enough, but I also put a board across the top and bottom. A person has to step over the bottom board, and under the top board and then go between the two fence posts.
                    Last edited by SMF11; Oct. 29, 2009, 12:16 PM. Reason: trying to fix drawing!
                    https://www.facebook.com/SugarMapleFarm
                    Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/peonyvodka/
                    www.PeonyVodka.com

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      never mind, fixed drawing!
                      Last edited by SMF11; Oct. 29, 2009, 12:16 PM.
                      https://www.facebook.com/SugarMapleFarm
                      Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/peonyvodka/
                      www.PeonyVodka.com

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        The pasture is below and to the left. The yard is above. The fence line, actually the property boundary fence line, is on the right. You cannot go any further right than that vertical line, whether you are in the pasture or in the yard. If the pass through were not there, the lower of the horizontal solid fence lines (the pasture/yard fence) would just extend that extra 18 inches and make a normal corner. The upper fence "segment" is actually in the yard, not part of the pasture fence.

                        As it was explained to me by somebody who had had a few different styles, this design is the least escapable. She had a horse once who could manage to angle and wiggle self to fit through the gap (picture a horse maneuvering rump over to enter the gap on a sharp angle, were the corner not there). This design eliminated that. Not a statistical scientific survey, but this was in her foal field, and not even foals had managed to get out. I've had no problems with it myself.

                        Yard . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
                        . . . __________________| This is the extra fence piece, actually in the yard.
                        . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
                        _________________. . . . | This is the pasture/yard fence, gap of 18 inches right at the corner.
                        . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
                        . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .|
                        Pasture. . . . . . . . . . . . .|

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Sounds like you need a kissing gate. Very popular where I am from (Wales) and very useful. Some have a spring and others just operate on gravity to stay shut. Often they are built of local slate (the outsides) and wood (the gate part) or metal.

                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kissing_gate

                          A stile would also work:

                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stile
                          ----------------------------------------
                          PSSM / EPSM and Shivers Forum
                          http://pssm.xanthoria.com/
                          ----------------------------------------

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            We had the V at one place, and only had one naughty donkey who would wiggle through when he was young. NAUGHTY DONKEY!!

                            I built something similar at my old place, only it was a gap with a pole in the middle and to the inside. Kind of like this, I guess?

                            ---------------O
                            --------------O O---------------

                            (Dunno if that will work??)

                            Never had an escape.
                            COTH's official mini-donk enabler

                            "I am all for reaching out, but in some situations it needs to be done with a rolled up news paper." Alagirl

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              You can find measurements for stiles on the Internet.

                              Here is a link to several designs that you can use to build your stiles. Also includes a list of materials for each type of stile.

                              http://handbooks.btcv.org.uk/handboo...t/section/2368

                              I seem to recall an extension site that had a design on it as well - you might try googling as I found it on-line.
                              Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                              Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                              -Rudyard Kipling

                              Comment


                              • #16
                                Mine is just as someone else mentioned and happened out of necessity. Couldn't imagine not having it now after 20 years!

                                Had a small section that was too short to really bother with continuing the fence so just added 2 posts equally distanced to take up the space. Not enough for the horses to get their shoulders through but enough for me.

                                I NEVER have to open a gate unless its to move the horses or drive through.
                                "My treasures do not sparkle or glitter, they shine in the sunlight and nicker to me in the night"

                                Comment


                                • #17
                                  How does the V work? Does the point of the V face the fence line or into the field?
                                  Horse Show Names Free name website with over 6200 names. Want to add? PM me!

                                  Comment


                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by kookicat View Post
                                    How does the V work? Does the point of the V face the fence line or into the field?
                                    The top of the V (the two ends) are the fenceline, with the gap. The bottom point of the V is the freestanding fencepost on the outside of the field. I hope I've understood your question correctly!
                                    https://www.facebook.com/SugarMapleFarm
                                    Follow us on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/peonyvodka/
                                    www.PeonyVodka.com

                                    Comment


                                    • #19
                                      I just have a gap about 9"? apart. Easy for a person to slip thru, but not a horse.

                                      As an extra precaution, we have a single sliding board across the gap about stall guard height. We can slide the board, go in and out, then slide the board across again when we are done.

                                      Comment


                                      • #20
                                        we have many kissing gates here on the yard. they're excellent and really safe. the other thing we have is sort of a step up so you can step over the fence... worth a thought

                                        Comment

                                        Working...
                                        X