• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.



Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Can't afford indoor, what about just a roof over my outdoor?

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Can't afford indoor, what about just a roof over my outdoor?

    I'm in Ohio and have a small lesson program. There is usually about 3 months in the winter where we basically can't ride except here and there if we're lucky, and I always lose a few clients (as well as training time with my horses and money). I have a really great outdoor and no indoor. Building any type of indoor is basically not an option for me, but I was wondering if it would be possible to just put a roof over even part of my existing outdoor? Or, building another small arena with good footing and a roof? I need to figure something out, but like I said, an indoor is simply not an option right now. Any thoughts on this?

  • #2
    I don't know how you can afford NOT to have some sort of indoor. It's the only way to insure that your program can stay on track during the bad months. I would price out your options- A small separate covered or indoor would be ideal. Contact steel building builders, not just indoor ring builders. It may be cheaper.

    Would a loan be an option? Think of the income you could generate without missed days. You might also be able to hire a part time assistant to do lessons on days that you don't teach (I have a small lesson program. The biggest day is Saturday when I'm usually away showing. My farm is generating income while I'm not even there).

    It's a scary thought, but investing in your business is well, just good business.


    • #3
      I hate to sound pessimistic, but as someone who lived in Michigan for the last 5 years and is now living in Ohio, I wouldn't consider a roofed outdoor arena sufficient for my winter riding. Unless you had some kind of brilliant tarping system, snow/ice/rain would still get into your footing and make the arena less rideable. And even worse, the wind would still blow.

      Are you SURE an indoor is not an option? If you raise your board to say $425 monthly and get the Amish to build you a simple pole structure, can you do it? Someone on one of the Michigan boards claimed that the Amish did her indoor for $15,000.
      Head Geek at The Saddle Geek Blog http://www.thesaddlegeek.com/


      • #4
        I am interested in this info too.


        • #5
          I do not understand how building a roof over your outdoor will be that much cheaper than building an indoor? The only portion of the building you are not putting up is the skin on the sides this way.


          • #6

            the roof is the expensive part!! If you can find a way to pay for the roof, the rest of it won't be that much more. Covered arenas work well in the south. The DEEP south, and out west. Ohio, Kentucky?? Not so much. With this economy, no way would I borrow to build. If you have a successful, profitable program with what you have, go with it. While I love my two year old indoor, it did not lead to additional clients. As an aside, a very very well known eventing trainer came up for a session with my horse and I and said that she'd raised her board minimally for the first time in quite some time and lost several clients. She is in Lexington, does not have an indoor and since her ring footing is ideal, she just sucks it up and does without.


            • #7
              Spinning off the above post, another option would be to find someone local with an indoor who's willing to rent it to you, then have your clients trailer over there. My current BO does this for a local trainer one day a week. It's good money for him, there are only 4 boarders at our barn who ride (and mostly not during the hours when this trainer comes on Saturdays) so the trainer doesn't get in our way, and the trainer saves the cost of building an indoor.
              Last edited by jn4jenny; Oct. 14, 2009, 01:25 PM.
              Head Geek at The Saddle Geek Blog http://www.thesaddlegeek.com/


              • #8
                Around here some places have a covered arena with solid walls on the west and north end of the arena. It works out pretty darn nice and you don't get the same degree of the nasty dust effect from a completely closed indoor. I've been over at this place with my hunting horses for team sorting on Weds nights. There are arena photos at the bottom of the home page. http://www.lonewolfarena.com/index.html


                • #9
                  We explored indoor vs. covered outdoor almost 10 years ago and went with the covered outdoor.

                  In our area we do not get long periods of deep cold and our winds are generally mild. We probably lose 30 days per year to weather (heat and cold). To get some idea of our weather go to weather.com and compare your averages to those of Knoxville, TN.

                  A cover is not cheaper to build. It requires a heavier structure as the cover functions as a "wing" in high winds. There will be engineering standards specific to your area with your local building permit authorities. Pay attention to them.

                  A cover is much cheaper to use as it requires no heating, A/C, or artificial air movment systems. Indoors can become "ovens" in the summer and "freezers" in the winter. If you insulate and climate control it will grossly increase the cost of the structure and its costs of operation.

                  Southern OH is probably the practical northern limit for effective use of covers vice indoor structures. A local "micro climate" might dictate one or the other a bit further north or south.

                  Good luck in your research.

                  Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raça, Uma Paixão


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Guilherme View Post
                    A cover is much cheaper to use as it requires no heating, A/C, or artificial air movment systems. Indoors can become "ovens" in the summer and "freezers" in the winter. If you insulate and climate control it will grossly increase the cost of the structure and its costs of operation.

                    Wait one minute here. All the barns I know must have missed the memo that their indoor is supposed to be climate controlled.

                    Not stable in my area (cold snowy NY) has a climate controlled indoor.


                    • #11
                      I rode in Michigan and there is no way I'd find a roof-only outdoor remotely warm enough. I don't know where in Ohio you are, but unless it's pretty far south in a fairly sheltered geographic area a roof-only is something I'd find more appropriate for Florida. A basic pole barn shouldn't cost that much more than a to-code arena roof that isnt' going to blow over.

                      ETA: and what turbandloki said. I have never ridden in a climate-controlled indoor! If anything we were always told that having a/c and heat on could mess with the horses when they went back out in the (very much not climate controlled) turnout and the rest of the barn!
                      Author Page
                      Like Omens In the Night on Facebook
                      Steampunk Sweethearts


                      • Original Poster

                        I live in Cincinnati, so the very most southern part of Ohio, by Kentucky.

                        Trust me, an indoor is NOT an option. And I'm not surprised to hear it isn't really cheaper to build some sort of a roof rather than a real indoor. I guess I will just have to do without.

                        I only have 14 acres (only about 5 acres of pasture though), 10 stalls and they are filled up - 4 are boarders who do cheap partial care so raising board wouldn't provide me with much of anything. I only have on average 10 students and two lesson horses, so I'm very small time.

                        Maybe I should start a new thread about this, but what sort of footing works best in winter? Obviously if it's icy, etc, we can't ride no matter what. But my footing is fairly shallow - would deeper sand not freeze as soon? What we usually do is if it's frozen with snow, we ride in the arena and the snow provides cushion since the sand is like cement. When it's frozen with no snow we ride in the field and the grass provides cushion. We generally just w/t.

                        I have been talking to local barns about using their indoor, not sure if it's going to work out but I'm going to try.


                        • #13
                          No climate controlled arenas in this part either! Can you imagine the cost??
                          At our first barn, the arena was just a "shell", built by mennonites, very strong, but open rafters and studs apparent on the walls.

                          At the second barn, the arena was insulated, roof and walls, and it made a BIG difference in the overall comfort. The first one could not be used some days as it was too cold inside. I don't recall the other one not being used because it was too cold!


                          • #14
                            What you can do is build a cover-only arena first. It won't help you much in cold weather but at least you can continue to have lessons in rainy days. Remember what hurt you is not winters only. You are also hurt when it's too hot or when it rains. A covered arena still provides more shelter than open area. And if you do have a covered arena, your boarders including the self-care boarders should be expected to pay more for the use of it. In a few years, you can add skin to create indoor.


                            • #15
                              When I was pricing arenas a few years ago in Oregon, covered was cheaper than half-walls, which was cheaper than indoor.

                              I wanted to go with the half-walls and use that great material that you can roll down (like curtains) when it's windy or wet, and roll up when you don't need it. I didn't get to it before I moved, though.

                              I'm in Kentucky, and I'd kill for just a covered arena as opposed to open. At least you can ride in the rain and the sun won't beat down on you. Doesn't save every day, but saves a lot of them.
                              "If you can't feed 'em, don't breed 'em."


                              • #16
                                I am in PA and I only have an outdoor. We only missed about 7-8 days of riding last year and same for the years in the past. We only have a problem when there is a lot of snow.

                                I have sand/screenings that are very dark and when the sun is out ( my ring is in full sun) the footing defrosts and is good to ride on from 10:30am-4:30pm.

                                If I know that the ring is going to be wet and the temps not over 34 degrees I put calcium/chloride down with a seed spreader and drag the ring really well. It's work but it can be done.

                                As long as you and your horse are dressed for cold weather you will be fine.

                                Let me know if you have any questions.


                                • #17
                                  Check out this options www.rockymtnstructures.com They have a product called We-Cover that looks pretty cool. Could be an option for you. They are in Utah so they know how to build things that will hold up to the elements.
                                  Lions and Tigers and Bears, oh my!!


                                  • #18
                                    I don't think it wouldn't be adequate, sorry. I live in Indiana and I know there's not a snowball's chance in hell that a covered arena would be adequate in the winter. I also stopped riding with a trainer that I was very sad about when she had to move barns and they had no indoor. It just wasn't feasible. Like previously stated, the roof is the most expensive part. Once a covered arena was up it would take minimal cost to attach the horizontal boards to make the walls and slap some steel on them. So I really don't think that 1) you'll save money (and will most likely spend more in the long run and 2) that it would be adequate. All you'd really be gaining is a little extra shelter in light snow (and even then it would still be windy which is one of the worst parts about winter) and shelter in rain. With snow and wind in the winter, you will get drifts in the covered area and it will still be unusable.
                                    Last edited by dmalbone; Oct. 14, 2009, 03:33 PM.


                                    • #19
                                      The KY State Fairgrounds in Louisville has a covered arena on the grounds, and it looks quite nice. However, I don't think they have shows in the winter, so I've never paid attention to how it works in the cold...but it has quite a large overhang and slope to it, so I wouldn't think it would be too bad as far as rain or snow getting in. Just cold.

                                      *OMGiH I Loff my Mare* and *My Saddlebred Can Do Anything Your Horse Can Do*


                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by FalseImpression View Post
                                        No climate controlled arenas in this part either! Can you imagine the cost??
                                        At our first barn, the arena was just a "shell", built by mennonites, very strong, but open rafters and studs apparent on the walls.

                                        At the second barn, the arena was insulated, roof and walls, and it made a BIG difference in the overall comfort. The first one could not be used some days as it was too cold inside. I don't recall the other one not being used because it was too cold!
                                        I've ridden in many heated indoors in Ontario! They are great and really keep the awful winter chill out of the air.