• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Concrete or stone dust under barn/stalls?

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Concrete or stone dust under barn/stalls?

    The excavators are out and we're discussing footing. The "aisle" will definitely be stonedust for now, but we're trying to decide if concrete is in the budget under the stalls. I like the ease of it, but we could always add it later, right? If you have stonedust under your stalls with mats, do you dislike it? Love it? Would have scrounged up the extra for concrete and sacrificed elsewhere? Just stressed and looking for opinions about stonedust.

  • #2
    i think if your mats are not large enough to cover the entire stall floor, and you have smaller mats cut to fit- then you'll have areas where the urine will get down under it. That should help you make a decision, either way.

    Comment


    • #3
      I have 8-10 inches of 1-2 inch rock, then a couple inches of 1/4 down, then mats that fit tightly to the walls. I would not want concrete as I find even with mats it is a harder surface that makes a noticeable different to my older arthritic horses.

      Comment


      • #4
        I work at a barn that has stone dust under the mats. When I built my barn at home I went with concrete. Enough said.

        Comment


        • #5
          A local lady built her barn with concrete stalls.
          Many years later, she rented it to a fellow that convinced her to pull all the concrete out.
          They did and still today that concrete chunk pile is sitting outside her barn and the stalls have never been the same.

          She said that it was a big mistake, that the horses were better, cleaner and more comfortable in the well bedded concrete stalls than they are now in some with mats and some with holes all over they keep having to refill.
          She also said the smell is bad now and it never was any smell with the concrete.
          I think it also may be the way the renter "keeps house".

          I know that I had only seen wood and concrete stalls in Europe and the horses were fine there.
          I had never thought you could bed in clay stalls, until I came here.

          I think that if you bed according to what each horse needs, that you have concrete, mats over whatever or well packed and maintained dirt is ok, either one of it.

          Comment


          • #6
            I much prefer concrete, especially with drains.

            I hate stonedust and clay.
            Janet

            chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

            Comment


            • #7
              At the vet clinic where I work the stalls have limestone screening base with mats over them. They work out just fine. The aisle & stock station is concrete.

              Tomorrow my excavator is bringing in limestone screenings to cover our 40' by 60' barn building site, to include the 4 stalls.

              I've never had a horse slip and hurt itself when walking on an aisle of packed screening. I can't count the number of injuries I've seen when a horse slipped on concrete, wet or dry. To each their own.

              I haven't priced out the rubber pavers but that would be on my list for aisle material if money wasn't a problem.

              Comment


              • #8
                We converted an old dairy barn and jackhammered out the concrete where the stalls are-we actually had to or there would not have been enough head room the way it was built.

                Anyway, we went with limestone dust, about 6-8 inches and mats. LOVE IT. We left a small apron in the front, so under the feed pans, water buckets and at then entrance, and our aisles are concrete.

                We have never had a problem with drainage or cleaning.

                Comment


                • #9
                  I have stonedust in my aisles and stalls and aside from some minor tunneling by rodents in the stalls, no problems at all with the stonedust.
                  After 5 years there is no urine smell whatsoever and I have one horse who lives to pee in his stall. That stuff percolates right down through.

                  In the aisles it has packed down so that underfoot it feels to me like concrete and is easily swept clean. But the horses still leave very shallow imprints so I know it has some cushion for them.

                  The abovementioned tunneling is easily corrected by adding stonedust, and like someone else said: Ive never seen a horse slip and fall on wet stonedust - concrete cannot make the same claim.
                  *friend of bar.ka*RIP all my lovely boys, gone too soon:
                  Steppin' Out 1988-2004
                  Hey Vern! 1982-2009, Cash's Bay Threat 1994-2009
                  Sam(Jaybee Altair) 1994-2015

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    I have a concrete aisle but compacted stonedust under the stalls. After about 3 years, a few stalls have a mat that has come up a bit/gotten shavings under it and some stalls have rodent tunnels so I think this fall we'll have to adjust some of the mats and add dust underneath. I had assumed since the mats were put down tightly, that they wouldn't need "fixing" in a few years, guess I was wrong.

                    Never had any slipping or urine smells.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Antoher option to concrete would be to use "popcorn" asphalt in the stalls and even the aisleway. Nice level surface that drains.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        I would never put concrete in my stalls, aisle yes, stalls no...and I would not buy a property that had concrete in the stalls.

                        I have stone dust, and mats over them in my stalls and aisle. Next barn, same, except aisle will be concrete with mats over that. I like the cushion. Mats in barn aisles are ok, but think I am trying the concrete this time with mats.
                        save lives...spay/neuter/geld

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          We did a concrete (with a rough finish) aisle and stonedust under the stalls. Have not had a problem with the stonedust at all. We leveled and compacted it VERY well before putting very good, 1" thick interlocking stall mats over it. Have not had a problem with urine seeping down and getting smelly, or shavings getting under the mats causing lumps.

                          The concrete is just too hard a surface for the horses to stand on IMO, unless you bed very heavily. Which I do not, I only put bedding in the back 3/4ths of the stall as they only pee poop in the back of it and their food/water/hay is put in the front 1/4th so I keep the shavings scraped off of it to keep it out of the hay. They usually are standing facing the front of the stall 80% of the time anyways, so the poop/pee ends up in the back half. Luckily I have horses who's potty habits are very predictable!

                          The key is getting your base well compacted and leveled, and getting good mats that are well fit.

                          Comment

                          Working...
                          X