Announcement

Collapse
1 of 2 < >

We're Back!

We experienced a cyber attack that wiped out the site's content earlier this week via a software vulnerability, but the developers were able to restore everything from backups.

We updated our software to implement available patches and will be making further cosmetic changes to the site to restore it. Performance is slow right now, but by early next week, the developers will have restored a few optimization strategies they usually have in place to keep things percolating smoothly.

Going forward, we will make some changes to the site to limit the number of customizations we implement to the software, so that it is easier to keep current on updates and patches if they are released.

The developers do not believe that this was a "personal" attack, where someone is targeting the Chronicle's site with malicious intent against us specifically. These cyber jerks apparently just cruise the Internet, scanning for known vulnerabilities to attack.

They are confident passwords were not accessed, but even if they were, we store password encrypted, so that should not be an issue. Of course, if anyone has concerns about password security, changing related passwords is always an option for peace of mind.

Please report any glitches in a thread we'll be starting in the Help forum.
2 of 2 < >

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You're responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the Forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it--details of personal disputes may be better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts, though are not legally obligated to do so, regardless of content.

Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting. Moderators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts unless they have been alerted and have determined that a post, thread or user has violated the Forums' policies. Moderators do not regularly independently monitor the Forums for such violations.

Profanity, outright vulgarity, blatant personal insults or otherwise inappropriate statements will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

Users may provide their positive or negative experiences with or opinions of companies, products, individuals, etc.; however, accounts involving allegations of criminal behavior against named individuals or companies MUST be first-hand accounts and may NOT be made anonymously.

If a situation has been reported upon by a reputable news source or addressed by law enforcement or the legal system it is open for discussion, but if an individual wants to make their own claims of criminal behavior against a named party in the course of that discussion, they too must identify themselves by first and last name and the account must be first-person.

Criminal allegations that do not satisfy these requirements, when brought to our attention, may be removed pending satisfaction of these criteria, and we reserve the right to err on the side of caution when making these determinations.

Credible threats of suicide will be reported to the police along with identifying user information at our disposal, in addition to referring the user to suicide helpline resources such as 1-800-SUICIDE or 1-800-273-TALK.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it's understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users' profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses -- Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it's related to a horse for sale, regardless of who's selling it, it doesn't belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions -- Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services -- Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products -- While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements -- Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be "bumped" excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues -- Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators' discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the �alert� button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your �Ignore� list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you'd rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user's membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 5/9/18)
See more
See less

Snake repellent??

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • #21
    My friend lives right up against the foothills and the rattlers have been showing up in large numbers since April. She breeds GSD's, so she has a lot of dogs right now. She took them all to Rattlesnake avoidance training. She said it was the best money she ever spent. It was about $70.00 a dog.

    A week after the training, she was out feeding her horses and a huge rattler was stretched out across her path. One of her GSD's was on the other side of it. He did exactly as they trained him to do, make a wide berth around the snake and come to my friend. The snake was so big that they had to shoot it.

    She said that everyone of her dogs when they went to the training, saw the snakes and walked right up to them and poked their noses at them. So she would have definately lost a few dogs this summer, if she hadn't taken them in. This particular place uses live rattlers too.

    Comment


    • #22
      Originally posted by Jaegermonster View Post
      I think that one is a corn snake or rat snake, not poisonous. Definitely not a rattler. I wouldn't go trying to pick it up or anything but it's not a rattler.
      Not a corn snake. It's definitely a copperhead. (I knew it wasn't a rattler.) He looked just like this one:
      http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/gaston/Pests...opperhead1.jpg

      But, if anyone knows where you can buy sulfur in bulk please pass the info on.
      "Dogs are man's best friend. Cats are man's adorable little serial killer." -- theoatmeal.com

      Comment


      • #23
        wow ok my bad then. We had one here that looked a lot like that one, my neighbor's friend the snake guy said it was a rat/corn snake and not poisonous. But maybe there was a subtle difference. Sorry bout that.
        And that's why I give all snakes a wide berth

        and I am definitely going to look into rattlesnake avoidance training.

        I'm also going to get a handgun I can wear on my belt while I'm working around the farm, and load it with some snake shot. they have brought the fight to me and now it is on.
        "Perhaps the final test of anybody's love of dogs is their willingness to permit them to make a camping ground of the bed" -Henry T. Merwin

        Comment


        • #24
          Originally posted by alabama View Post
          But, if anyone knows where you can buy sulfur in bulk please pass the info on.
          Why would you want it? Research at a major university has found that sulfur, along with several other substances, is worthless as a snake repellent. See posts numbered 12 and 20 in this thread.
          "Its a well-documented fact that of all the animals in the realm of agriculture, Bulls have the highest job satisfaction rate."~~Ree Drummond, AKA the Pioneer Woman

          Comment


          • #25
            Originally posted by alabama View Post
            Where can you buy sulfur in bulk? And will you get funny looks when you do it?

            I saw this a couple of weeks ago going to work:

            <img src="http://home.hiwaay.net/~thrasher/images/drivewaysnake/drivewaysnake1.jpg">

            (If that didn't work go look here: http://home.hiwaay.net/~thrasher/ima...ewaysnake1.jpg)

            That copperhead was about 20' from where my horses cross through the woods to the pasture. I wish I had at least tried to squish it with the car but I wasn't sure it was a bad snake.
            Copperhead.

            Comment


            • #26
              Originally posted by Jaegermonster View Post
              I'm also going to get a handgun I can wear on my belt while I'm working around the farm, and load it with some snake shot. they have brought the fight to me and now it is on.
              That's what I've started doing. I have a little .22 with snake shot. I had no idea you could get snake shot until someone told me after I posted pics of that snake. I also got some for my .38 but it's a bit bulkier and heavy so I don't want to use it every day.

              Oh and there must be some type of corn snake that looks much like a copperhead. I've had other people think that it was one of them, too.
              "Dogs are man's best friend. Cats are man's adorable little serial killer." -- theoatmeal.com

              Comment


              • #27
                Ok, how do you find out about rattler avoidance training.
                I need to teach my dogs and cats to not play with snakes. We have garter snakes up here that they like to put their noise into the grass to 'play' with them.

                Secondly, any special .410 pistol. I need to buy a gun, don't want a rifle type, but a pistol/handgun type to shoot any varmint I don't want around!
                Do you have to worry about snake shot spreading, meaning if a horse or dog was nearby, would the shot spread?

                Jaeger and anyone else dealing with snakes, God bless you and I hope the snakes go elsewhere, where no people or pets can be harmed.
                save lives...spay/neuter/geld

                Comment


                • #28
                  My boarder breeds show dogs (blue terriers, the big kind), she is also a judge and travels all over judging and showing. She knows lots of trainers and such. I asked her about the snake class and she is going to ask some of her trainer friends if they know anyone in our area that does it.
                  If I find out anything I'll post it.

                  re the copperhead, we have had a rat snake that kind of looks like that, but now that i have looked more closely, our rat snake had more of almost a rattler pattern to it, with red and gold but also more black and also some yellow, than the snake in the picture.

                  Too funny: I called my one neighbor yesterday and told him I had another rattler, since he has a little girl that plays outside a lot. They are on one end of my farm. I called my other neighbor (who has been letting his place get a bit overgrown and I think may be contributing to the snake issue) jsut to let him know since he's out a lot too. He is on the other end, near my house and barn and closer to where the rattlers have been. The neighbor w the little girl and I are very good about the mowing.

                  All three of us were outside today mowing like crazy. It reminded me of that movie where they did the musical number with all the men on the block out mowing their yards. (except I'm not a man but it was still funny). It was a kevin bacon movie, "She's having a baby" was the name, I think.
                  "Perhaps the final test of anybody's love of dogs is their willingness to permit them to make a camping ground of the bed" -Henry T. Merwin

                  Comment


                  • #29
                    Originally posted by fivehorses View Post
                    Secondly, any special .410 pistol. I need to buy a gun, don't want a rifle type, but a pistol/handgun type to shoot any varmint I don't want around!
                    Do you have to worry about snake shot spreading, meaning if a horse or dog was nearby, would the shot spread?
                    I'd recommend that you go to a real gun shop, not some big-box store. Tell them you want a single-shot .410 pistol for snakes. They'll know what to fix you up with. Should run somewhere between 150 and 190 dollars for a good quality piece.

                    There is nothing called "snake shot" in a .410. Get a box of 7 & 1/2 shot shells. That's good for all small varmints.

                    Concerning shot spread: At close distances like you'd be using on a snake the shot does not have much time/distance to spread. At that range you are actually shooting a column of shot. It has spread only slightly since leaving the gun barrel. As with all guns, make sure there is nothing you don't want to hit in the field of fire before you pull the trigger. Snakes move slowly, there's no hurry. Move around until you are shooting in a safe direction.
                    Practice for a bit when you get your pistol, so you'll be ready when the time comes. You need to be familiar with your weapon before you use it in a tense situation.

                    Good luck and have fun. Buy a few paper targets for practice and you can tell exactly how much the shot will spread at a given distance.
                    "Its a well-documented fact that of all the animals in the realm of agriculture, Bulls have the highest job satisfaction rate."~~Ree Drummond, AKA the Pioneer Woman

                    Comment


                    • #30
                      Originally posted by MikeP View Post
                      I'd recommend that you go to a real gun shop, not some big-box store. Tell them you want a single-shot .410 pistol for snakes. They'll know what to fix you up with. Should run somewhere between 150 and 190 dollars for a good quality piece.

                      There is nothing called "snake shot" in a .410. Get a box of 7 & 1/2 shot shells. That's good for all small varmints.
                      Why a single shot? I know that there are pump actions, too, but they are a little more $$$.

                      And no, it's not technically "snake shot" but "pest control" (I'm looking at the bullet boxes right now). Everyone around here still calls it "snake shot" or "rat shot".
                      "Dogs are man's best friend. Cats are man's adorable little serial killer." -- theoatmeal.com

                      Comment


                      • #31
                        thanks for the information re:the gun. I most definitely would practice before I'd ever think about using it.
                        Our local police dept did a gun safety class I took, but I am not savvy about my knowledge of 'guns'. There are a few good local gun shops up here, but I don't think they have ever had much need to sell a gun to kill snakes!

                        I highly doubt I would kill anything other than a snake. I don't get varmint...the dogs take care of that. But snakes, I am worried sick about. I don't think I could recall the dogs, they are too interested and bull headed when it comes to something like that.

                        I am moving to SC soon, and well, rather be prepared than not.

                        Thanks for looking into the snake class Jaeger. I know I need to train the dogs.
                        save lives...spay/neuter/geld

                        Comment


                        • #32
                          Originally posted by alabama View Post
                          Why a single shot? I know that there are pump actions, too, but they are a little more $$$.
                          Any shotgun pistol that holds more than one shot will be MANY more dollars than a single shot. A single shot is fully adequate for snake control, so why spend a bunch more money?

                          And no, it's not technically "snake shot" but "pest control" (I'm looking at the bullet boxes right now). Everyone around here still calls it "snake shot" or "rat shot".
                          A .410 is a shotgun. If you're looking at "bullet boxes" that say "pest control", then you aren't looking at boxes of shotgun shells. Shotgun shells are loaded with various sizes of shot, ranging from buckshot down to #9. Shot size is clearly printed on the box. 7 & 1/2 is the correct size shot for snakes.

                          "Rat shot" is for some caliber of pistol, say a 22 cal. Very different from a shotgun, and not nearly as effective. A 22 caliber pistol loaded with rat shot will shoot about 30 grains of shot. A .410 loaded with 7 & 1/2 shot shoots 300 grains of lead. You don't want to mess around with a rattlesnake. Using something like rat shot from a 22 will most likely make him mad. That's why I recommended the .410, which will kill him DEAD.
                          "Its a well-documented fact that of all the animals in the realm of agriculture, Bulls have the highest job satisfaction rate."~~Ree Drummond, AKA the Pioneer Woman

                          Comment


                          • #33
                            Well, Mr. Stickler for the Facts - I didn't say anything about a shotgun, did I? I responded to Jaeger that I carried .22 with snake shot after she said she was looking into getting a hand gun to wear on her belt.

                            BTW, the .410 shotgun that I looked at recently also took .22 long rifles - same thing my pistol takes.
                            "Dogs are man's best friend. Cats are man's adorable little serial killer." -- theoatmeal.com

                            Comment


                            • #34
                              Actually I misspoke before, the shotgun I used wasn't the 16 ga it's a 12 ga.
                              And I have #8 shot in it, that worked quite nicely.
                              I still plan to go get a smaller gun that will be easy to carry around the farm, but I want more than a single shot just in case I miss. Not likely but it could happen.
                              "Perhaps the final test of anybody's love of dogs is their willingness to permit them to make a camping ground of the bed" -Henry T. Merwin

                              Comment


                              • #35
                                Uh, you really don't need a pistol or shotgun to dispose of a poisonous snake.
                                The old SC/GA farm remedy is the hoe. Sharp hoe to hold the snake down and chop off the head. We've moderized this a bit by adding some "loppers" the sharp long handled clippers used to cut limbs,, to cut off the heads. But this takes 2 people. One person with a sharp hoe or sharp shovel/spade can kill a snake. Remember that the head still has venom after it is cut off of the snake.
                                SC and GA timber country are full of rattlers. Claxton even has the rattlesnake roundup every year, which I avoid.
                                Hogs kill and eat snakes but I don't think most of us want hogs running arond the barnyard unless you have a potbellied pig like one cother I know here in GA. Chickens and guineas also peck snakes and raise cane when snakes get near.
                                I wonder if a mongoose family could live in the south?

                                Comment


                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by alabama View Post
                                  Well, Mr. Stickler for the Facts - I didn't say anything about a shotgun, did I? I responded to Jaeger that I carried .22 with snake shot after she said she was looking into getting a hand gun to wear on her belt.

                                  BTW, the .410 shotgun that I looked at recently also took .22 long rifles - same thing my pistol takes.

                                  Stickler for facts? When answering questions, facts are what matters. Sorry, but that .22 will NOT fire a .410 shotgun shell unless it's some sort of over/under with two barrels. A .22 is .22 inches in circumference. A .410 shot shell is .41 inches, nearly twice as big.
                                  Originally posted by Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
                                  For example, a small bore rifle with a diameter of 0.22 inch is a .22 cal; .... (the .410 bore shotgun is in fact a caliber measure of .41 inches..., ."
                                  Maybe the following link will help put to rest the hocus-pocus about snake repellents, traps and fences. If snakes are a real concern to you, it's worth clicking on this link.
                                  http://www.justbelowthesurface.com/i...life&Itemid=65

                                  Originally posted by link
                                  Do Snake Repellents Work?
                                  The internet is full of products to rid your home, yard or farm of snakes.
                                  But do any of these snake repellents, traps or fences work?

                                  The short answer is no, neither repellents nor traps are efficient ways to get rid of snakes around your house. I'm often amused by the claims these products make.....
                                  "Its a well-documented fact that of all the animals in the realm of agriculture, Bulls have the highest job satisfaction rate."~~Ree Drummond, AKA the Pioneer Woman

                                  Comment


                                  • #37
                                    I will print this off, and bring it to my gun shop to find an appropriate gun to defend myself and animals.

                                    Appreciate the postive comments and recommendations.

                                    CC, no way am I going after a snake with a hoe...I really don't want to get that close. Of course, if thats all thats available, well, I suppose, but I am more of the run like heck person! LOL
                                    save lives...spay/neuter/geld

                                    Comment


                                    • #38
                                      I'm not saying I'm an expert on guns but the .410 I saw in the store said it took .22 long rifles or .410. Maybe you should call Jo Jo's Pawn Shop in Bham and tell them their mistake. And yes, I was looking at a pawn shop because I don't feel the need to pay for a brand new .410.
                                      "Dogs are man's best friend. Cats are man's adorable little serial killer." -- theoatmeal.com

                                      Comment


                                      • #39
                                        Originally posted by Jaegermonster View Post
                                        Actually I misspoke before, the shotgun I used wasn't the 16 ga it's a 12 ga.
                                        And I have #8 shot in it, that worked quite nicely.
                                        I still plan to go get a smaller gun that will be easy to carry around the farm, but I want more than a single shot just in case I miss. Not likely but it could happen.
                                        I like the idea of the .410 because I've been told it has a lot less kick than the bigger shotguns. And I don't mind spending a little more $$$ for the multiple shot gun because if some snake scares the crap out of me, I might miss the first time. LOL!

                                        I'm going to put a gun rack in my mule. I think that will be funny.
                                        "Dogs are man's best friend. Cats are man's adorable little serial killer." -- theoatmeal.com

                                        Comment


                                        • #40
                                          Originally posted by alabama View Post
                                          I'm not saying I'm an expert on guns but the .410 I saw in the store said it took .22 long rifles or .410. Maybe you should call Jo Jo's Pawn Shop in Bham and tell them their mistake.
                                          You can take this to the bank: A .410 and a 22 cal can't be fired from the same barrel. You were most likely looking at an over/under, which has a top barrel chambered for .22 cal long rifle and the bottom barrel for a .410 shotgun. That's a common gun, I own one myself.

                                          A .410 pistol, single shot, is the gun of choice for farmstead snake control. If you want an over/under, fine, but it will be a long gun, not a pistol. You can carry the .410 pistol anywhere with you, while working around the farm or even on trail rides. A few extra shells in your pocket and you're set.
                                          "Its a well-documented fact that of all the animals in the realm of agriculture, Bulls have the highest job satisfaction rate."~~Ree Drummond, AKA the Pioneer Woman

                                          Comment

                                          Working...
                                          X