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  • halti vs. gentle leader?

    Anyone prefer one over the other? Reasons?
    InnisFailte Pinto Sporthorses & Coloured Cobs

    Bits are like cats, what's one more? (Petstorejunkie)

  • #2
    1 rottweiler (100 lbs.)
    1 doberman (named 'Samson' enough said)

    Gentle Leader

    It works

    Seriously though, the gentle leader is a MIRACLE. Like manna from heaven. We had 1 halti and hated it. It just didn't work. The pices didn't go through the rings properly, the webbing was too thick, it was just bad. Also, it came off much more easily than the gentle leader does. Both were able to pull the Halti off with their paws or by rubbing (quickly) in the grass.

    Without the gentle leader, I can't walk either (bad Mav, bad dog training!). With the gentle leaders, I can walk both together, while I'm very pregnant. MIRACLE.


    • #3
      Dogs: 2 very typical (conformation wise) Cocker Spaniels

      I've used both. I prefer, they don't , the Gentle Leaders. The fit is so much better. Plus, I don't like how the Halti attaches to the collar. I like to keep things separate and that just makes things a bit confusing. Plus, more room for fine adjustments with the Gentle Leader.

      If it's possible to go to the store with your dog, I'd try both. The Halti may fit better then the Gentle Leader, or you may find out you like that one better. But, I just prefer the GL. Great product that really does work. Sure beats slapping a choker/prong collar on for more control... those work, but I don't enjoy using them.

      Anyways, just my two cents (and vote) for the Gentle Leader.
      Proud owner of Gus & Gringo.
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      • #4
        I like the Halti for our compulsive lab (He's great 95% of the time...then out of nowhere...look out!), but my boyfriend can't for the life of him fit and attach it properly to the dog, so ends up struggling along without it.
        We havent tried the Gentle leader, but it sounds promising.


        • #5
          Prong for all my dogs. I even did protection work in them. They are not the demon spawn that people think that they are. None of my dogs were afraid of them, they just respected them.
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          • #6
            Before this, a prong collar worked great for any really "pulling" dog of mine, even when I was walking five at a time (not all wore prongs).

            But Tuppence? I've NEVER had a dog that the sight of a single squirrel could turn into an uncontrollable mack truck? Choke chain? No effect. Prong collar? Nothing. Harness? Can you see that person becoming airborn at the end of the leash?

            I broke down and got a Gentle Leader. Before this, I swore that this gadget was for the wuses who were afraid of hurting little "Poopsie" with a 'traditional' collar. And guess what? Where no collar that could potentially choke, strangle, or render unconscious my dog could keep my manic squirrel eating dog in check, this worked almost immediately.

            Live and learn.
            "Oh, sure, you may be able to take down one smurf, but mark my words: You bonk one smurf, you better be ready for a blue wave."---Bucky Katt


            • #7
              We have a Halti for ours (he's a Lab/Corgi/Chow mix - basically a full-sized lab on short legs, so he's strong). It works pretty good on him, but he's not a fan of it and can rub it off pretty easily. He has a funny sized head so it doesn't fit as well as I'd like. But it's preferable to not having any control of the dog on walks.

              Interesting that the Gentle Leaders fit differently and are harder to rub off. I'm going to have to try one on him next time we're at Petsmart. It would be very nice to have one that fits better! On long walks, the Halti will slide around some and it annoys him, but the other sizes didn't fit at all.
              I went with the Halti because I like how it has the safety keeper that goes to the collar too just incase he gets it off, but I'm sure something like that could be rigged to the GL as well if needed.


              • #8
                Originally posted by Indy View Post
                I went with the Halti because I like how it has the safety keeper that goes to the collar too just incase he gets it off, but I'm sure something like that could be rigged to the GL as well if needed.
                The Gentle Leader actually has its own 'collar' of sorts. Even if the nose piece slips off, there is a collar part to the gentle leader that will prevent the dog from getting loose. It's difficult to explain, but after you see it on a dog it makes sense.


                • #9
                  I've used both and prefer the Gentle Leader. The Halti doesn't fit as snugly and I've had more than one dog slip out of a properly fitted Halti. I prefer a prong collar used PROPERLY over either of them.


                  • #10
                    Friends who've used (either of) these say the dogs HATE them. One Lab I know even used to hunt down her Gentle Leaders when they were put away and chew on them! I think her owners had to buy three before they found someplace that she couldn't get to.

                    My vet (who also does chiro on the dogs) prefers something like this easy walk harness: http://www.premier.com/View.aspx?pag...uctdescription and I've used the Sporn harness with some success, too: http://www.sporn.com/cgi-bin/commerc...on&key=SPUS100
                    I worry about the possibility of neck injuries on dogs in halter-type devices, so I like the harness-style better.


                    • #11
                      I, and my dogs, really like the Easy Walk Harness. They both hated having things on their noses and despite a lot of obedience training when they get excited their brains shut off. I was able to get one used to the Gentle Leader, but it's one of those things that unless you use it regularly every time will be like the first. The Easy Walk had no adjustment time and they love them. No choking, nothing on their noses and I can actually stop them. It was really funny when my in-laws got one and we put it on their 100 lb golden retriever. He went out to the end of his leash and pulled, as usual. He was very surprised when I didn't move and the harness made him stop
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                      • #12
                        I just didn't like the Gentle Leader. I am fine with the Halti and my dog that pulls is a Foxhound. She dislikes both, but the Halti seems to bug her less. She hasn't gotten it off, but she did rub the Gentle Leader off on occasion.

                        The above post is an opinion, just an opinion. If it were a real live fact it would include supporting links to websites full of people who already agreed with me.



                        • #13
                          I LOVE the Gentle Leader. It has worked wonders with my dogs and the other dogs I use to walk (pit bulls, rottis, chows, german sheps, labs, newfoundlands). I tried the Halti and it just failed. All the dogs I ever put a Halti on managed to get cheek strap in their mouths and once they chew that it just seemed to fall apart. I've never had a dog break/chew a gentle leader. If it is put on properly it shouldn't slip off the nose unless you have a short face breed.
                          My corgi I swear some times can pull a truck. He is strong for such a small dog. But once we put the gentle leader on him and taught him to accept it, he walks on a loose lead no matter if he sees other dogs, cats, kid, bikes, motorcycles, ect. It's amazing. With my chow/shep she would drag me and god forbid she sees a squirrel or rabbit. But if I put the gentle leader on her, one tug and she forgets all about the little animals. She use to be very aggressive to people and dogs with the help of this little invention she's perfectly fine. She won't fight a dog unless it's in self-protection and won't bother a person unless someone is trying to hurt me.


                          • Original Poster

                            Thanks so much for replies/opinions.

                            I too am a pinch collar girl at heart... looking for something *different*. I figure I can always 'resort' to a pinch if/when needed.

                            My first Great big Black Dog was awesome in a pinch collar. In the end, he wore it inside out, as it was the *wearing* of it, and the sound which did the trick.
                            InnisFailte Pinto Sporthorses & Coloured Cobs

                            Bits are like cats, what's one more? (Petstorejunkie)


                            • #15
                              Try the martingale collar, I switched from a halti and it's been the best! I wrote about them and swtiching in my blog

                              Boss Mare Eventing Blog


                              • #16
                                For your dogs that lunge powerfully at various distractions your best bet is to get a prong collar. A dog lunging on a head-halter is in grave danger of seriously injuring his neck. For your dogs that just pull steadily your best bet is to train the dog to not-pull using any of the "be a tree" type methods instead of wasting money on devices. Head-halters and other such devices are pretty useless for training a dog to not-pull because once you take it off the dog will immediately revert to pulling- they don't train, they substitute for training.


                                • #17
                                  Prong collars are cruel! You just need to do proper training, look into Crad Pattisons books....
                                  Boss Mare Eventing Blog


                                  • #18
                                    I've tried the halti, the gentle leader, the prong collar and the easy walk harness.

                                    On Satchel, APBT mix, the prong collar was OK and the easy walk harness was a miracle. He hated both halters.

                                    On Story, ACD, the harness is perfect. It's my favorite option so I never tried the others on her. The prong collar would be too much for her as she is a very soft dog.

                                    On Vladamir, my neighbor's Visla, the gentle leader is perfect. The dog likes it and is under perfect control. I'm glad that I was able to give it to her, as I never liked it on my own dogs!

                                    I've never liked the halti as they tend to twist and shift.
                                    My ears hear a symphony of two mules, trains, and rain. The best is always yet to come, that's what they explained to me. —Bob Dylan

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                                    • #19
                                      I think that a good choke collar can be a wonderful tool IF the person on the other end knows how/is capable of making a proper quick correction.

                                      However, I've seen prong collars puncture tracheas, and I've seen a fair number of people being dragged around by their dog who, while gasping for air, is still in control.

                                      I think both the halti and the gentle leader are great. However, the gentle leader is tighter around the muzzle and there's less chance of it slipping off. Flip side is that it doesn't give as much release if they're NOT pulling.

                                      I have a 90lb lab. When I first got him back at 1 1/2 YO, he hadn't been on a leash since I'd moved (he stayed with then fiance while I worked overseas). A choke was fine if I was walking him because I could make the corrections.

                                      But I hired a neighbor kid to walk the dog after school each day and the kid did not outweigh the dog. So I switched to a Halti. We had sold GL or Promise collars when I worked at the veterinary hospital and I knew they could work...but at the time, they were double the price of the Halti. So Halti it was.

                                      I like them a lot.

                                      I will say though that my dog heels and there's a continuous loop in the reins if you will when we walk now. (he learned fast)

                                      I think the halti/gl collars are GREAT especially if the person on the other end isn't particularly clued in on training or doesn't want to have to "work" at it. All they have to do is let the dog run into the pressure....you've got control of the head, you've got control period. No need for yanking.
                                      A good horseman doesn't have to tell anyone...the horse already knows.

                                      Might be a reason, never an excuse...


                                      • Original Poster

                                        Interesting replies!

                                        I don't think a pinch collar is inherently evil, used correctly. Yes, it CAN be abusive, but so can a nylon training collar, a choke chain etc. I actually really dislike the nylon training collars my trainer used. Very tight, up high. No real release, IM(not so h!)O.

                                        For my big black dog O'Malley, I desperately wanted a nice flat link HS martingale like the pinch collar--because he was an absolute SAINT in the pinch collar. It went on, he was fabulous. Like I said, as an adult, he wore it inside out (which you actually see a lot of K9s doing. You can flip it in a stress situation if needed faster & safer than you could try to 'add' a collar etc.)

                                        At any rate. Now I'm eager to try the harness as well. Neither pull terribly, but they do tie out and I just don't think it's fair to expect them to listen or yield to pressure when they are tied out regularly. (and yes, I WISH I could have a dog fence, trust me. Nothing I'd like more than a dog fence. Not going to happen wtihout some serious powder and powerball. ) They already wear martingales as they are very fleshy necked (Lab/visla with a wee bit o' sharpei in there. Don't ask! )

                                        Interesting. Thank you!
                                        InnisFailte Pinto Sporthorses & Coloured Cobs

                                        Bits are like cats, what's one more? (Petstorejunkie)