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  • #21
    I may be able to help with one cat for the barn... asking my husband now... we are about 30 minutes from Fredricksburg...

    Here's hoping you got a pet deposit, thats just crazy!


    • #22
      Originally posted by PONY751 View Post
      Tell me what you think. Am I crazy?
      No, but I bet they are.

      You are about to enter into a contract with people who have already lied to you.

      Don't be surprised if they bring those 46 cats with them.

      I hope you got one helluva security deposit because those people will most likely destroy the house to the point that you have to bring in professional to decontaminate it. And you may have to deal with angry neighbors sick of the smell of cat pee emanating from the house.

      I'm saddened by the number of homeless animals (and people) due to the housing problems. The rescue I work with has been full for months and months.

      Those people might be kind hearted - but I will not be surprised if you discover those animals are in dire need of veterinary care and good nutrition.

      I don't envy you at all and I hope I'm wrong and everything works out. Good luck.
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      Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
      -Rudyard Kipling


      • #23
        This isn't about judging them from a distance, it's about whether it's safe to allow them to move in to your rental. Regardless of what wonderful people they may be, the chances are high that their animal hoarding ways will cause extreme levels of damage to your house. How charitable are you feeling?


        • #24
          Sorry, but they said:

          1. 9 dogs and will rehome 2 - and then didn't
          2. didn't mention 12 cats - and actually there are 46

          Upfront and honest.........not.

          I am sure they are in desperate straits as they would never find someone that would let them have 9 dogs and 46 cats, but unfortunately, regardless of their intentions, they are living beyond their means. I would love to have more horses but am realisitic enough to KNOW that I can't afford their vet care, feed bills etc. Like the other poster I wonder if they could have avoided foreclosure by not having so many animals. I also wonder if they will be able to keep up the rental payments.

          I think you were kind hearted to allow the 9 dogs, personally I would not have done as that is an incredible amount of wear and tear on your home.


          • #25
            I think I would have had to put my foot down on the extra 2 dogs when they tried to change it while moving in! I am sorry to hear that you already signed the lease, I would be very worried about renting to these folks. They are obviously willing to be less than truthful to you. Where are these 46 cats right now, anyways? Not in your house, I hope! If they are, I would take this opportunity to immediately investigate your eviction options! I'm not sure how this works, but I would be inspecting your property and counting animals as often as your lease agreement allows! And I would not be lenient if they had extras, they already got their (2) freebies!

            I feel for them having to get rid of their beloved pets, I really do! But that is why my DH and I carefully consider every four legged addition to our household, to make sure we can afford them even if things get tight, and to make sure we don't have so many that we couldn't rehome them/bring them to an apartment if the unthinkable happens. 46 cats is just not reasonable or sustainable if you have any kind of emergency at all! How are you supposed to rehome 46 cats?!?


            • #26
              Originally posted by TKR View Post

              I know cats are hard to re-home and alot of people have an "attitude" about cats, but guess what -- they are victims, have feelings and deserve a home -- even though it is not the OP's problem! Instead of condeming their kind hearts -- and hoarders don't usually take the initiative to neuter or even feed them very well -- maybe some help and good ideas in placing these cats would be time better spent. No one knows how the news story came about, but it could be useful in a positive way. Maybe the newspaper would help with making an adoption venue public information.
              That is all fine and good but I was just pointing out that animals can and will do considerable damage to property. Given that I have spent thousands of dollars to repair that type of property damage, and have recently had my own tenant nightmare as well, I would prefer to warn the OP than have her suffer the same way. I don't think she has any idea what kind of damage she is in for with that number of animals there. And it may even be illegal - did the OP even bother to check whether there are any ordinances limiting the number of animals allowed in the house?
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              • #27
                ok- I hope you are charging them one heck of a pet deposit! First- keep the article- keep the whole paper in fact to show the date in regards to when you signed the lease. The lease agreement clearly should state that 7 dogs are allowed, and no cats. Therefore- if after they move in, and you find ANY signs of a cat on the property at all, you can then proceed with an eviction notice for breaching the leasse agreement... This is why we never do leases, only month to month- if we want someone out, we want them OUT...


                • #28
                  We rented out a house we owned -- once. It was a nightmare, and they only had two cats. Shredded the draperies, stained the carpets, -- multiply that by 23! Obviously responsible pet owners would never allow that to happen. We had to actually have the subfloor replaced in sections where the urine went through the carpet and pad and was rotting out the floor. And the stench! When we withheld their security deposit they insisted it was "normal wear and tear". Yeah, if you were raised by wolves!

                  This is not going to end well. They obviously have problems, and now those problems are yours.


                  • #29
                    Originally posted by YankeeLawyer View Post
                    And it may even be illegal - did the OP even bother to check whether there are any ordinances limiting the number of animals allowed in the house?
                    Good point! If your town has a limit on pets (ours is four,) you may still be able to require them to get rid of some of the pets. I doubt that clauses in your lease that violate town code would stand if you told them they had to downsize.


                    • #30
                      Originally posted by saddleup View Post
                      We rented out a house we owned -- once. It was a nightmare, and they only had two cats. Shredded the draperies, stained the carpets, -- multiply that by 23! Obviously responsible pet owners would never allow that to happen. We had to actually have the subfloor replaced in sections where the urine went through the carpet and pad and was rotting out the floor. And the stench! When we withheld their security deposit they insisted it was "normal wear and tear". Yeah, if you were raised by wolves!
                      All tenants say they are responsible pet owners. I have, however, encountered very few tenants who treat their rental property as the homeowner would. I don't know whether it is due to a lack of experience in home maintenance issues, lack of pride, or lack of respect, but there seems to be a lack of care phenomenon.
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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by saddleup View Post
                        Yeah, if you were raised by wolves!
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                        • #32
                          Good lawd!! Have you ever watched any of the Animal Cops shows on Animal Planet? And seen the raids they have had to do on hoarders to remove all the animals? And the CONDITIONS those houses are in? And they've done raids with LESS cats than 46 that have done TONS of damage. Respiratory infections, fleas, not to mention the urine and feces all over the house. I'm sorry, but no matter HOW well they take care of all those cats, there's no WAY they can all live in a home together without doing any damage/urine marking/having overflow of the litter boxes.

                          Your house would be DESTROYED, so I certainly hope they do find homes for all those cats and don't just move in with them.

                          And 9 dogs are also going to cause problems if they live inside. Once again, fleas, ticks, accidents, chewing, scratching, odor, destruction, barking that's going to get your neighbors angry. I hope you are prepared to strip down and remodel your entire house after they move out. You are way too kind to have let them rent from you!

                          This is coming from an absolute animal lover here, I'm really as much of a bleeding heart for animals as anybody. But too many is too many unless you are set up for it. Kennels/runs/structured exercise/flea & tick prevention....and the list goes on.


                          • #33
                            My mother rented out a small house over the years, and it was a nightmare. My mom didn't even allow ANY pets, but people snuck them in all the time. And I can't tell you how much damage they allowed their pets to do over the years. Carpeting, woodwork damage, flea infestations, etc. Like YankeeLawer said, renters just don't seem to have the same respect for a home they are renting vs. one that was purchased.

                            I do hope you can get yourself out of this based on the fact that they lied to you. The article said that one of them would stay behind with all the cats until they are adopted if need be. Stay behind WHERE? If their house is in foreclosure, they have to GET OUT, period! There's no staying behind so what do you think they will do with all those cats if they aren't adopted? Take them to your house. They don't sound like the type of people who will take them to a rescue or the pound, since they've collected so many themselves they probably have the deluded idea that nobody else could care for them like they can and would never do that.

                            I'm sorry, I really hope this does work out for you, but it just screams disaster to me.


                            • #34
                              I NEVER suggested the OP allow these folks to move in with their animal population. These folks are obviously not particularly bright or farsighted. However, all I am suggesting is that maybe the CATS could be helped by some good samaritans with some better ideas about placing them. The animals always get the shortend and it's never their fault.


                              • #35
                                I'm all for compassion! But these folks knew they were going to lose their house and they should have started rehoming these cats the minute they got up to two cats.... I've done cat rescue--I know how easy it is to accumulate cats and how hard it is to care for them both financially and physically. I put a cap on the amount of cats I would take in!!!!

                                As much as I feel sorry for cats in general I just knew I could not care for more!!!! It's easier to get into something than it is to get out of it!!!! I am really not a cat person but somehow I ended up with a houseful of cats myself--I know what kind of havoc they can wreak!!! If I ever had another house they would have to have a room all to themselves, but that is not likely to happen at this stage of the game.

                                I would not ask a person to put their property on the line just so I could carry on my animal rescue! Animals are destructive no matter how closely they are watched and the majority of people don't watch them--that's just the way it is! It is not rational to expect that a stranger is going to let you keep all those animals on his/her property--it just isn't! How about some compassion for the person leasing these animal people his/her property????

                                These renters needed to team up long ago with a group that could help them rehome these animals (cats and dogs). Sometimes in life we have to do things we don't want to do--that's just the way it is! Perhaps they could work with one of the adoption groups who have their animals in the local PetsMart and try to rehome some animals that way! They'll never find them homes if they don't put these animals' faces in the newspapers, on TV, the Internet or get them out where the public can see them and fall in love with them! I have to guess that there may be some who may need to be euthanized though. If they could get a couple rescue groups to help them it would be helpful--there must be someone nearby who could assist them.... Instead of wishing and hoping and praying they need to be out there actively seeking new homes for these guys.... No one is going to come and rescue them from their animals!!!
                                Have we learned nothing from the Romans???


                                • #36
                                  You might want to take a field trip to see their old house and the condition it's in.
                                  They sound like nice people, but they could be hoarders. Here is some info on hoarding for you to review. It's good to know the signs.

                                  Behind Closed Doors: The Horrors of Animal Hoarding | The Humane Society of the United States

                                  Long-Term Outcomes In Animal Hoarding Cases

                                  Someone made the point about local zoning. I dare say 9 dogs would require a small kennel permit in most places. That can come down on you as the property owner, so do your homework. Good luck. I hope you can make it work for everyone.
                                  Last edited by Watermark Farm; Mar. 2, 2009, 03:01 PM. Reason: bad link


                                  • #37
                                    When we withheld their security deposit they insisted it was "normal wear and tear". Yeah, if you were raised by wolves!
                                    Okay, stop insulting wolves! I'm pretty sure wolves don't eliminate inside their dens and they have a complex social structure which involves responsible raising of the young. Wolves probably tell their offspring to stop acting like they're being raised by humans.

                                    Anyway - much as I love animals - just like with children (Octomom) there are limits as to how many any individual(s) can care for responsibly. You have to factor in $ costs as well as time and emotional. There's no frackin' way that 2 people can nurture 9+ dogs and 46+ cats. And you know there are probably more than the numbers that they are admitting. There always are.

                                    At first I thought this might be the person who just posted on one of my horse lists wanting a place. They didn't give numbers just used the terms a few and a couple (always a red flag), but they are in Tampa and not Virginia.

                                    Oy. IMO they've already broken the terms of the lease and I think you can probably get out of it & block them even getting into the house if they haven't already, but I'm not an attorney, nor do I play one on COTH.
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                                    • #38
                                      Pony... you are a sucker lol.. j/k... this sounds like a headache just waiting to begin. I will be expecting to hear how this turns out... I'm thinking I'll make some popcorn now. ;-)
                                      If i'm posting on Coth, it's either raining so I can't ride or it's night time and I can't sleep.


                                      • #39
                                        Speaking as licensed real-estate salesperson who specialized in rentals--most landlords will take one, maybe two, cats, and NO DOGS, because of the amount of damage and potential damage. And will require a pet deposit. I would ask for both a full month's security deposit, first and last rent, AND a non-refundable pet cleaning fee. (Check your state laws on whether you as a private owner, I assume, can charge pet rent--it's technically illegal in this state at least but the law might not apply to a private single-unit-owner landlord if you have a similar law.)

                                        These people lied to you at least once and at best mislead you (regarding getting rid of dogs.) Their situation is unfortunate but does not excuse this. 46 cats are not going to be forty-six well-loved, attended pets, no matter how well-intentioned they are. And frankly I would be hesitant to rent at all given how much that indicates a propensity for hoarding. There have been situations where houses have to be demolished because of damage from having dozens of cats. Consult a real-estate lawyer but I would think you have a very solid case for backing out of the lease.
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                                        • #40
                                          Whoa...the pet deposit on just 9 dogs would have to be around $5k...add in 12 cats up that to $10k...make it 46 cats and I wouldn't want less than the replacement value of the house as a pet deposit.
                                          Unless they spend 22 hours per day cleaning and disinfecting yoour house with just 9 dogs and 12 cats...your house is going to absorb the stench of those animals even if it looks relatively clean. Carpets, window treatments, any soft surfaces will absorb the animal smell and give it back in spades for years and years. And that stench will intensify anywhere that gets direct sunlight...like a patch of sun on the carpet coming through the window.
                                          A house around the corner from my last house had a couple like that...with cats and dogs in the house. (that many animals will start scent marking...it's completely normal with many animals kept in a confined space like a house) and they only had 5 dogs and 27 cats. When the town caught on to how many animals they had in there it was because the neighbors complained of the smell. The house looked clean...the couple cleaned up every accident and did that all day long. Didn't help...they ended up selling their house and no bank would allow a closing until the house was fully done over...the entire interior was stripped down to nothing. Floors removed, walls redone, etc. They lost $74k on the sale of ther house due to the work necessary so it wouldn't stink. I was the Realtor for that house.
                                          So no...I wouldn't rent to anyone with 9 dogs alone. Forget adding in a bunch of cats. (cat stench isn't removeable) The loss of property value just isn't worth it. I'd consider their lease void due to the lies, if one single cat shows up, evict. Unless you can afford to write that house off as a loss.
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