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Mutt Dog DNA Testing? Anyone tried it??

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  • Mutt Dog DNA Testing? Anyone tried it??

    Well most "horse people" are "Dog people" SOOO.....
    I've always wondered what my hound-ish-bull-dog looking guy really is. I just came across the Dog breed DNA testing kits on the net. One is a blood draw at the vet, the other is a cheek swab. If anyone has tried it I'd love to know your opinions. Some of the results on the sites seemed pretty shocking.
    Good thing I ride better than I spell!

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    I am actually thinking about having one of my dogs done but I'd go through the vet with the blood draw. She is suppose to be a yellowlab, retriever mix but she shows all kinds of herding dog instincts and ended up only mid size and about 34lbs.

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      I ordered it from Petco three+ weeks ago. Received the test kit at my PO Box immediately, swabbed the cheek and put it back in the mail that day. Per Petco I was supposed to have the results on Christmas Eve. Major bummer as it's not here yet and per the Lab's website, it's still in the testing stage.

      The reason I went with Petco is that though the cost has significantly decreased over the years, the test was on sale and they have an extensive breed database. I wanted to be sure that Cavalier King Charles was testable as many other companies do not include KC's.

      I got Jasmine (Jazz / Jazzy) at the Humane Society in July. She goes with me everywhere and I'm constantly asked what she is. Hopefully I'll now be able to say instead of guesstimate the possibilities per the Dog Park pooch owners.
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      "The best thing for the inside of a man is the outside of a horse" Lord Palmerston

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      • #4
        horses

        Do any labs do DNA testing on horses to find out what their breeding is? [I'd really like to find out what my pony's breeding is.]

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        • #5
          If you have the money to throw away, go for it. But take any results with a whopping big grain of salt.

          The tests seem to get some breeds right, but are totally off the mark on others. I had a friend test her flat coat just for fun and it came back as 100% Golden. You're going to have that problem with any of the breeds that have a fairly recent common history with other breeds.

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          • #6
            LuvMyNSH

            The dog DNA tests have improved over the past few years. If it comes back way off course, I'll send them a photo (which I purposely did not do), request my money back and find another lab at some point.

            As with horses and labs, there are always problems. Take it from one that had dealt with them for years working for an equine vet. Labs make tremendous and life altering mistakes causing heartache and un-needed care, therapies and medications. It's always best to re-run any test if possible with a second lab.
            "The best thing for the inside of a man is the outside of a horse" Lord Palmerston

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            • #7
              Does anyone know what the actual accuracy is regarding these tests? I have also wanted to do one on my dog. I always get asked what he is and since he was found by himself way out in the country at 8 weeks old, we have no idea.

              How do you attach pictures, BTW? I would love to get some guesses.

              Party Rose makes a good point. Labs make mistakes so it could have been a human error problem vs an actual lab was wrong situation. Reminds me of the time that a friend of mine took her horse to a clinic to get some sort of workup and got some devestating results. So devestating they were actually considering euthenasia, until the vets figured out they were looking at a canine xray!!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Party Rose View Post
                The dog DNA tests have improved over the past few years. If it comes back way off course, I'll send them a photo (which I purposely did not do), request my money back and find another lab at some point.
                This was last year.

                Flat coats and goldens ARE very closely related. So are many of the other breeds tested for. That's the problem.

                Many dogs breeds are just not that genetically distinct from each other, especially when you're dealing with related groups that were all one breed less than 200 years ago - in some cases less than 100 years ago.

                It's like trying to use DNA to tell a TB from an appendix QH that's over 3/4th TB, or picking a MFT from a TWH when you only have to go back less than 50 years and most MFT are mostly or all TWH.

                The tests are fun, but that's all they are - fun. They are far too limited in the number of breeds tested for and there is not enough difference between the breeds for a test to ever be really accurate.

                Telling a chi from an akita is easy, but telling a lab apart from another retriever that were developed in the same area at the same time from the same stock? A bit harder.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by LuvMyNSH View Post
                  Telling a chi from an akita is easy, but telling a lab apart from another retriever that were developed in the same area at the same time from the same stock? A bit harder.
                  Have you seen the video on you tube with the lady who tested her AKC Champion Staffordshire Bull Terrier with one of those cheek swab kits? The results told her the dog was a border collie!

                  Flat coats and goldens, I can understand. Both retrievers, after all. But I can't think of a less pibble-like dog than a border collie. Although I guess both developed in the UK - reckon that's it?
                  I'm not ignoring the rules. I'm interpreting the rules. Tamal, The Great British Baking Show

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                  • #10
                    Petco Breeds

                    XL identifies over 100 popular breeds:
                    Afghan Hound,
                    Airedale Terrier,
                    Akita,
                    Alaskan Malamute,
                    American Eskimo Dog,
                    American Water Spaniel,
                    Australian Shepherd,
                    Australian Terrier,
                    Basenji,
                    Basset Hound,
                    Beagle,
                    Bearded Collie,
                    Belgian Sheepdog,
                    Belgian Tervuren,
                    Bernese Mountain Dog,
                    Black and Tan Coonhound,
                    Bloodhound,
                    Blue Tick Coonhound,
                    Border Collie,
                    Border Terrier,
                    Borzoi,
                    Boston Terrier,
                    Bouviers des Flandre,
                    Boxer,
                    Brittany,
                    Brussels Griffon,
                    Bull Terrier,
                    Bulldog,
                    Bullmastiff,
                    Cairn Terrier,
                    Canaan Dog,
                    Cardigan Welsh Corgi,
                    Cavalier King Charles Spaniel,
                    Chesapeake Bay Retriever,
                    Chihuahua,
                    Chinese Crested,
                    Chinese Shar-Pei,
                    Chow Chow,
                    Clumber Spaniel,
                    Cocker Spaniel,
                    Collie,
                    Dachshund,
                    Dalmatian,
                    Doberman Pinscher,
                    English Cocker Spaniel,
                    English Coonhound,
                    English Setter,
                    English Toy Spaniel,
                    Field Spaniel,
                    Flat-Coated Retriever,
                    French Bulldog,
                    German Shepherd Dog,
                    German Shorthaired Pointer,
                    German Wirehaired Pointer,
                    Giant Schnauzer,
                    Golden Retriever,
                    Gordon Setter,
                    Great Pyrenees,
                    Greyhound,
                    Irish Setter,
                    Irish Terrier,
                    Italian Greyhound,
                    Keeshonden,
                    Kerry Blue Terrier,
                    Labrador Retriever,
                    Lhasa Apso,
                    Mastiff,
                    Miniature Pinscher,
                    Miniature Schnauzer,
                    Newfoundland,
                    Norwich Terrier,
                    Old English Sheepdog,
                    Papillon,
                    Pembroke Welsh Corgi,
                    Petit Basset Griffon Vendeen,
                    Plott Coonhound,
                    Pointer,
                    Pomeranian,
                    Poodle,
                    Pug,
                    Puli,
                    Red Bone Coonhound,
                    Rhodesian Ridgeback,
                    Rottweiler,
                    Saluki,
                    Samoyed,
                    Schipperke,
                    Scottish Deerhound,
                    Scottish Terrier,
                    Shetland Sheepdog,
                    Shiba Inu,
                    Shih Tzu,
                    Siberian Husky,
                    Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier,
                    St. Bernard,
                    Staffordshire Bull Terrier,
                    Standard Schnauzer,
                    Tibetan Spaniel,
                    Tibetan Terrier,
                    Treeing Walker,
                    Vizsla,
                    Weimaraner,
                    Whippet,
                    Wirehaired Pointing Griffon,
                    Yorkshire Terrier.
                    Last edited by Party Rose; Dec. 27, 2008, 07:43 PM. Reason: Seperate names from sentence to list form
                    "The best thing for the inside of a man is the outside of a horse" Lord Palmerston

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                    • #11
                      stuge

                      You need to become a Premium Member (I think $25.00 a year). It use to take the moderators a few days to get someone up and running, but it's so worth it. You can post and share photos and help support the Bulletin Board at the same time.

                      Can't wait to see your pooch.
                      "The best thing for the inside of a man is the outside of a horse" Lord Palmerston

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                      • #12
                        That's the first time I've seen Ridgeback on the list! I'd love to just send in a sample for my girls--both 100% Ridgeback, without a doubt--just to see what would come back

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Party Rose View Post
                          You need to become a Premium Member (I think $25.00 a year). It use to take the moderators a few days to get someone up and running, but it's so worth it. You can post and share photos and help support the Bulletin Board at the same time.

                          Can't wait to see your pooch.
                          Ah, I see. Not that $25 isn't worth it but I Don't think I'll be joining. WOuld love to show pictures though. He is a very unusual looking dog. When he was younger people used to call him a fox or a dingo and now that he has filled out we don't know what he looks like. I guess, having a purple tonge he has chow in him (is that even true) and he looks a bit like an australian cattle dog/heeler too. He has this naturally short tail too, not like a dobermans after it is docked but about half the size of a normal tail.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Party Rose View Post
                            You need to become a Premium Member (I think $25.00 a year). It use to take the moderators a few days to get someone up and running, but it's so worth it. You can post and share photos and help support the Bulletin Board at the same time.

                            Can't wait to see your pooch.
                            That is only if you want your pictures to show at the bottom of your actual post. Otherwise you can add links to photos you have on a website or perhaps have uploaded to a free service like PhotoBucket (easy) which stores your photos online for you.

                            After you choose "reply" the message box pops up. There is a button above the message reply box in the same line where you can choose font style, etc. 8th from the left or 4th from the right. It looks like a little earth with a chain (looks more like an infinity symbol to me). Click that and type the link in to your picture.
                            Altamont Sport Horses
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                            • #15
                              I did both the Canine Heritage (cheek swab) and Wisdom (blood draw) panels on this dog: Matilda. These pictures don't show her in full coat, as I used to clip her (she has since passed away), but she had silky black guard hairs and a thick gray undercoat, much the texture of a German Shepherd. She had a classic Labrador body, except for a tail that curled up slightly, and had gray brindle points. She was chunky, with very upright hind leg conformation

                              Canine Heritage said she was predominantly (~80%) Labrador, with a secondary (~12%) signal of Afghan Hound.

                              Wisdom said that "Matilda's attributes are unique, like more than 75% of all dogs in the world" (don't ever forget, honey, you're special, just like everybody else ) and that she had a good signal of Labrador, a slight signal of greyhound, but that she was predominantly....MIX. Yeah, no shit, Sherlock.

                              Ah, well. She was a great dog, and I could never hope to recreate her, even if I knew what breeds she was. I figure she was mostly lab, which you could tell by looking at her, with some sort of sighthound in the woodpile.
                              Life would be infinitely better if pinatas suddenly appeared throughout the day.

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                              • #16
                                My understanding of these tests is that the issue is in the database. They can accurately analyze the DNA, but I am very suspicious that they have enough DNA evidence to distinquish those breeds from one another. In fact, I suspect that there is no way to reliably tell a purebred Lab from a GSD, much less a Golden via DNA at this point.
                                It reminds me of a 60 Minutes report on human DNA testing. A couple of companies offered to determine an individual's African tribal heritage from their DNA. Of course the companies came to different conclusions and the objective scientist that was consulted stated that there just wasnt sufficient DNA evidence to determine this.

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                                • #17
                                  I did the early version of Canine Heritage on one of my dogs. THis is when they only had 38 breeds on their list. They have info about their science and methods on the site and if you want to know more, just call and ask. They are very responsive over the phone and via email. Like someone already pointed out, dog breeds aren't all that different from each other in many cases -- even if the breeds may not look similar.

                                  My dog received results of 25% genetic similarity to a Doberman Pinscher and a lesser amount to a Samoyed.

                                  So does my dog look like either of these breeds? Well, he's white and fluffy so score some points for his Samoyed side. Otherwise, he strikes out, especially as a Dobie. He's 10" tall, has huge pointy ears like a bat and weighs 5.5 lbs.

                                  I'm having the upgraded re-test done on him.

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                                  • #18
                                    Oooo - can I have some fun with this? I'll channel my inner Jeff Foxworthy:

                                    If the sound of your voice causes your owners finest Wal-Mart juice glasses to shatter:

                                    You might be a Beagle.

                                    If you smell bad, step on your own ears when you bend down, and take 5 years to figure out that your head being outside the doggie door doesn't mean you're actually peeing outside:

                                    You might be a Basset Hound.

                                    If a relative has ever appeared in more than one TV show, movie, or documentary in which at least one character is a gun-toting inbred southerner:

                                    You might be a Coonhound.

                                    If your farts cause Homeland Security to raise the threat level from yellow to red:

                                    You might be a Bulldog.

                                    And so on.......

                                    Originally posted by Party Rose View Post
                                    XL identifies over 100 popular breeds:
                                    Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                                    Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                                    -Rudyard Kipling

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by JSwan View Post
                                      Oooo - can I have some fun with this? I'll channel my inner Jeff Foxworthy:

                                      If the sound of your voice causes your owners finest Wal-Mart juice glasses to shatter:

                                      You might be a Beagle.

                                      If you smell bad, step on your own ears when you bend down, and take 5 years to figure out that your head being outside the doggie door doesn't mean you're actually peeing outside:

                                      You might be a Basset Hound.

                                      If a relative has ever appeared in more than one TV show, movie, or documentary in which at least one character is a gun-toting inbred southerner:

                                      You might be a Coonhound.

                                      If your farts cause Homeland Security to raise the threat level from yellow to red:

                                      You might be a Bulldog.

                                      And so on.......
                                      "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there"

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                                      • #20
                                        I think these tests are only useful for positive affirmation of what the owner believes the dog is just by looking at it. And, imho, you can't really tell what a mixed breed dog is just by the looks so even if they are accurate most people won't accept the answer unless it reinforces what they already think!

                                        We had a dog that I know for a fact was 1/4 cocker spaniel (euro type), 1/2 airedale and 1/4 tan colored farm collie and that dog looked exactly like a smallish jet black retriever. Long silky double coat and all.

                                        My current dog is half GSD and you would never ever guess it. She's red, 45lbs, flop ears, fairly stocky and short haired. The only GSD looking-thing is the light stripes behind her shoulders and the minimal feathering in her tail. Most people think she's a lab cross, including vets and lab breeders. Momma was a redbone coonhound though so there's no lab in her at all (this becomes apparent if you ask her to fetch anything )

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