• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.



Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Alicia hay?

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Alicia hay?

    Recent southern transplant from the north and I'm still getting used to the poor quality hay down here.

    I have located a solid hay guy that I like, but he only sells coastal bermuda. It's "good" hay (not "good" like my northern timothy, but sigh, I don't have $1k to pay to ship that stuff down here), but I've started having problems keeping weight on all three of my horses. And I have an impaction-prone horse, so I've had to supplement his hay with soaked cubes to prevent impaction caused by the coastal bermuda. Plus, I'm paying $7.50/bale, which appears to be quite expensive around here.

    A fellow boarder came up to me and said he has a friend who has a mixed Alicia hay for half the price of my coastal bermuda bales. I have never heard of it, and searching doesn't turn up much. I'm hesitant to switch without doing thorough research (and I will go check out the hay myself, obviously), because I really like my current hay guy and I don't know this boarder enough to entirely trust a recommendation from him.

    So I turn to COTH to ask about alicia hay vs. bermuda.
    Also, what about bahia? If I'm thinking of switching hay guys, I may as well try to find one that sells bahia as well, just in case I decide to go that route.

  • #2
    Where did you transplant to?

    I grow both Alicia and coastal bermuda. The difference I can tell you is that Alicia grows better in the cooler temps of spring/early summer. And the coastal does better with hotter temps.
    Alicia is a type of bermuda grass, just as Jiggs, the Tiftons,....

    My horses and cows have no preference of hay -they eat it all.

    In regards to your impaction-prone horse, I would make sure he is drinking plenty of water. And you could make all his meals a slurry.

    I would not feed bahia, unless you want bahia in your pastures. My horses don't care for bahia hay.


    • #3
      It appears to be another variety of Bermuda but it is finer (diameter) than Coastal. Not necessarily a better thing. I've been told that bermuda which is cut when shorter is better for the horse but ????

      I live in MD and can pick from all types of hay so I have only tried Bermuda once. It was very short and very green, and very palatable to my horses but I won't buy it again.



      • Original Poster

        Baton Rouge.

        Thanks for the info about the hay; so the quality is not much different? UGA's ag website says different, but this is all I've been able to find thus far.

        Yeah, I force-feed him water with the soaked timothy/alfalfa hay cubes. He was having what I assumed were minor impaction episodes (not eating), which have cleared up since I started feeding him the mash.

        Unfortunately the sellers of my property already seeded all of the fields with bahia. My horses pretty much refuse to graze it and actually choose their bermuda hay over grazing, which is a first for sure. But my vet recommended it for the impaction-prone horse, so I thought I'd at least look into it.


        • #5
          If your bahia pastures aren't fertilized, it could be why the horses are thumbing their noses to it. Bahia as a grazing pasture is the most common of the SE pasture grasses.

          Bahia does not hold nutrients when cut for hay, so it makes a very poor quality hay and most farmers will not square bale bahia at all.

          My horses favorite SE hay of all time was Flora-quirk and I can't find anyone who grows it. Apparently the drying time it requires makes it difficult to cultivate in the SE summers, where you often only have 3 days drying time at most between rain events.
          Beth Davidson
          Black Dog Farm Connemaras & Sport Horses
          visit my blog: http://ponyeventer.blogspot.com


          • #6
            Most places have County Extention Agents who supply the knowledge you are seeking, in La. there are Parish Extention Agents. Get to know yours. Also check with LSU Vet School they are wonderful. Also LSU Ag Center has many informative pamplets on pastures and hay.
            The variety of grass the hay is made from is less important than (1) was the pasture fertilized? (2) when was the hay cut? (3) how, and how long has the hay been stored? If possible have the hay tested.
            There are several varieties of improved Bahiagrass 'Pensicola' being one. If it is dried and stored correctly most horses find it very palitable. And if it is grown locally the price is quite reasonable.
            some folks that might help... www.lasha.org/


            • #7
              Give your horses some time, they will start eating the bahia grass. The best thing about bahia is that it bounces back from dry times (& droughts) better than common bermuda and coastal bermuda varieties, when we get rain.
              Most of my property has bahia grass growing in my pastures. I work very hard at keeping it out of my hay fields.

              You may want to give your impaction -prone horse some alfalfa (doesn't have to be much) to encourage water intake & output. and maybe some probiotics for aid in digestion.


              • #8
                I wouldn't let my impaction prone horse near any of that hay. I actually live on the FL/GA line where t&A is about $34 for a 110lb bale. Hay prices are killing me. I thought last year that I had to switch but first I called equine surgeons, Palm Beach Equine Hospital & Univ of FL. Both said NO rather forcefully. Both said that if the horses are raised on the costal hays then they stand a better chance of tolerating them but both said that the northern horses, imported horses, colic prone horses don't do well on them. Now I know that a thousand people will write in & say differently but I trust these surgeons. AND I trust what I personally have seen & heard. My favorite hay that is the southern person's alfalfa is perennial peanut hay. (Has nothing to do with peanuts). Wonderful stuff that is normally less protein than alfalfa, leafy, no colic problems, horses love the stuff & can have it as their primary hay. Check it out & find it. They will love it & it will make them fat & shiny!
                Producing horses with gentle minds & brilliant movement!


                • #9
                  I think what Whitfield farm is saying sounds pretty accurate.

                  I, too, have consulted UF about colic after a bad episode in one of our horses. There are two main factors in colic down here.

                  1) The length of the cutting. Short, choppy hay is bad because it tends to cause impactions, not just because of how short the stems are but also because when cut hay close to ground here in the south, it picks up a LOT of sand. Find a seller that cuts it long (you'll need to ask around among respected farms and hope they let you in on their supplier). The best way you can tell is if a flake of hay pulled from the bale falls apart easily, it's cut too short and you will likely also have a lot more sand in it.

                  2) Reoccurring impaction type colics can also be caused by sand in the gut. You must have a sand preventative program in place if you have horses down here. The pastures are sandy, the hay has sand, and, if they shove their hay out of their feeders, they pick up sand from the ground directly. I would do a sand test immediately on your horse and make sure you consult your vet about which sand preventative program to start and what to watch for. A horse with a big load of sand will likely colic during the treatment.

                  I use hay feeders in their stalls which falls down on rubber mats or shavings. I sweep the stalls out regularly. Try placing a rubber mat beneath your hay feeder and check it after each feeding. You will see the sand.

                  Good luck! I am from out west and have lived with horses in the northeast and, now, the south as well. The south is the toughest place to keep horses, in my opinion.
                  “Pray, hope, and don't worry.”

                  St. Padre Pio


                  • Original Poster

                    Whitfield and microbovine;
                    Thanks for the recommendations, I too have spoken with trusted boarded surgeon friends and that is why I supplement the horse's diet with soaked timothy/alfalfa cubes. My father harvests hay on his land up in IL so I'm working on having a load shipped down here, but not sure if it's feasible.
                    We spent 5 years in MN on extremely sandy soil, so I've had a monthly psyllium regimen in place for about a decade. I was extremely surprised to move here and note how sandy the soil is, but have been unable to find the 20lb+ buckets of psyllium pellets at any farm stores. I had to special order it.


                    • #11
                      In a study done by UF nutritionist who is a noted warmblood breeder, she states that the very best way to move sand from the gut is to be sure your horse consumes at least 2.2% of his body weight in roughage daily. Works better than the psyllium according to the study.
                      Also, you ought to bring down the good hay from your Dad's. I bet you can sell enough to more than pay for your load. Good luck!
                      Producing horses with gentle minds & brilliant movement!


                      • #12
                        Whitfield Farms, I asked UF about that study and the response was that there was far more research regarding sand preventatives then pushing it out using hay. Again, the type, quality and amount of sand in the hay are big factors. I do both.
                        “Pray, hope, and don't worry.”

                        St. Padre Pio


                        • #13
                          another one of those hummm momments as Alicia Hayes is my attorney; I never knew she was a real hay before ...


                          • #14
                            The hay harvests in south La have not been great for the last two years so the hay you are seeing may be a result of that. Last year most growers did not get to cut their last cutting and a lot of people are running low on hay right now. The only thing I could find when I checked (my hay guy ran out in January) was not good quality.

                            There is a hay grower in Southwest La that has some REALLY nice hay. He was at the horse expo in January but I don't remember his name. You might check with the Louisiana Equine Council to see if you can find his name and number. The hay was pricey but was very good quality.

                            Relating to your pasture, try contacting the forage specialist at the Louisiana Ag. Center, he may be able to give you suggestions about your pasture.