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Anyone just smash up the poop in the stalls and not clean on a daily basis??

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  • #81
    This is reminding me that I need to order some "red wigglers" -- adding worms to your manure piles breaks things down much faster.

    http://equineextension.colostate.edu...composting.pdf
    Disclaimer: Just a beginner who knows nothing about nothing

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    • #82
      Yep, that's the system he was talking about. I don't remember the name O2Compost, but it was forced air and in stages. If I could have found a place to get rid of it (five acres and no spreader, so not that route, and I was going to give it away FREE), I would have implemented it.
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      • #83
        If she keeps her horses in city limits, she has to keep the golden horse compost to be in a receptacle.

        She could do that and then haul it to a nursery of some sort where they could pay for the golden globes to be brought in.

        My barn hauls it away to a nursery that's near by that wants the fertilizer.

        It's too bad that ignorant people will treat beings that are unable to ultimately fend for themselves so badly and then know everything there is to know. If SIL's horses feet start falling apart when they are kept in those stalls, she will feign ignorance to avoid blame. That's the sad irony of it all.
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        • #84
          Well, as this moved onto eating poop; I recalled reading about treating hindgut ulcers with a "manure slurry". And, sure enough, the official term is "fecal transplant".

          http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan...plant-20130117

          So, there's that, folks. The more you know...

          I just want more info from SIL:
          How did she come up w/ this idea? What does her vet think about it? What does her farrier think about it? But, mostly, where/how did she come up with this idea?
          Disclaimer: Just a beginner who knows nothing about nothing

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          • #85
            As far as spreading manure on pastures - the place we are renting now is on the Gulf Coast - like a mile from the beach; and I suspect that the only reason that it has actual soil instead of sand is because manure was spread over the pasture since it was built in 1920. We do not have a manure spreader, but I would definitely spread composted manure on the pastures and will harrow during the "Satan's Steam Sauna" months - when it is too hot for parasites.

            A must read is Gene Logsdon's "Holy Shit: Managing Manure to Save Mankind". It's a fast, interesting, and entertaining read-
            http://www.amazon.com/Holy-Shit-Mana...&keywords=shit

            But, there was a time when fertilizer = manure

            Still, no manure loving manifesto that I have read recommends smashing poop for your horse to stand in; so we are still at square 1 on that.
            Disclaimer: Just a beginner who knows nothing about nothing

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            • #86
              You people are funny. Not putting manure on the fields? That would be a deal-breaker if you ever found out a barn was doing that? Well, that could be climate-based and to be honest I don't do it where I am now because the fields aren't accessible in the winter (too mucky). But to recoil from the idea?

              And not seeing horses who are indiscriminate about mixing input and output? Wow! For starters, every colt I've ever seen takes great pleasure in peeing right in mom's hay. My horses will pick wisps of hay out of the manure wheelbarrow while I'm working. I have a mare and gelding who will cover every inch of their stall or paddock with their dinner, even if it mixes in with poop, and continue to munch their way through it. Not to mention (omg) the ones who will even snack on poop when they think no one is looking. To think that these observations reflect on the level of horse-keeping is downright insulting.

              Now I would never suggest or condone leaving poop in a stall, smashed or unsmashed. BUT I feel pretty bad getting rid of the stuff that is produced in some stalls in conjunction with pelleted bedding. It is the consistency of dry peat moss -- soft and clean-smelling and cushion-y. I take it out because I know it is bedding + ground-in poop, but it does make me sad. I bet the horse isn't offended by it.
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              • #87
                Originally posted by wendy View Post
                haven't you ever seen pastured horses? they tend to poop in certain areas, where they then don't graze. They don't willingly stand on poop or eat off poop, only if trapped in a stall full of poop.
                OMG yes... While they do the random piles my horses chose a 1 acre patch full of gorgeous grass as the rest rooms and deigned it unfit for equine consumption. I was so mad!

                Your SIL is being ridiculous. I see that as more time consuming and totally gross. Disgusting.

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                • #88
                  Well, several things come to mind.
                  One - thrush from standing in the manure;
                  Two, infestation of internal parasites - she's essentially creating a breeding ground for them;
                  Three, the ammonia and gasses released when the fecal matter/urine are left to rot in the stall is very bad for the horse's respiratory tract and can create all kinds of breathing problems; there would also possibly be mold growth adding to more of the same problem;
                  Five, also a perfect breeding ground and attractant for files - which can also bring along other health risks. In manure such as this the flies will lay their eggs and if you dig in and flip it over you will find maggots -maybe that would change her mind.... then again you never know

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                  • #89
                    Originally posted by QHF View Post
                    Well, several things come to mind.
                    One - thrush from standing in the manure;
                    Two, infestation of internal parasites - she's essentially creating a breeding ground for them;
                    Three, the ammonia and gasses released when the fecal matter/urine are left to rot in the stall is very bad for the horse's respiratory tract and can create all kinds of breathing problems; there would also possibly be mold growth adding to more of the same problem;
                    Five, also a perfect breeding ground and attractant for files - which can also bring along other health risks. In manure such as this the flies will lay their eggs and if you dig in and flip it over you will find maggots -maybe that would change her mind.... then again you never know
                    Yeah.
                    All this plus most people will think you are stupid, lazy and plain down sorry.
                    You know why cowboys don't like Appaloosas?" - Answer: Because to train a horse, you have to be smarter than it is.

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                    • #90
                      Originally posted by wendy View Post
                      haven't you ever seen pastured horses? they tend to poop in certain areas, where they then don't graze. They don't willingly stand on poop or eat off poop, only if trapped in a stall full of poop.
                      I wish!

                      Mine regularly poop where they eat.

                      When I hang up haynets in the pasture they poop all around them, including ON the hay they have pulled out and dropped. Then they pull the hay out from under the manure to eat it, even when there is still fresh hay in the net.

                      In the pasture, they poop wherever they are grazing.

                      I keep reading about horses that have separate "eating" and "pooping" areas, but I have yet to meet one.
                      Janet

                      chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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                      • #91
                        Originally Posted by Fairview Horse Center [
                        Haha, but they DO. They poop on their hay, and then eat it. They dribble grain out of their mouth over a pile of manure, and then pick thru to eat the pieces.
                        Originally posted by hundredacres View Post
                        I have never seen this. This would worry me.

                        I see it all the time. Why would it worry you? Perfectly normal behavior.
                        They also eat the manure. It disturbs me, but it doesn't disturb them.
                        Janet

                        chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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                        • #92
                          I have read about process in whch manure is dried, heat treated to kill all the germs, shredded, and used for bedding.

                          It apparently works fine.

                          I would be worried about leaving all the manure in the stall in a climate where the manure was wet and soggy (for some of the reaons mentioned, including flies and thrush).

                          But in a very dry environment? It wouldn't be MY choice, but I would not completely condemn someone without investigating further to see if there was a method to their madness.
                          Janet

                          chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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                          • #93
                            I'm basically lazy so I run the stalls at least twice a day, more if I'm out there. 3 horses who have free access to the stalls. 10 mins in the AM and 10 mins in the PM. You learn if you are lazy to keep up with things. It's easier, less work and healthier for all involved.
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                            • #94
                              Originally posted by CFFarm View Post
                              You learn if you are lazy to keep up with things.
                              So freaking true! It seems so much easier to pick stalls/paddock 2x per day than to do it just once per day or to leave it until the weekends, etc.

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                              • #95
                                Originally posted by TheJenners View Post
                                Yep, that's the system he was talking about. I don't remember the name O2Compost, but it was forced air and in stages. If I could have found a place to get rid of it (five acres and no spreader, so not that route, and I was going to give it away FREE), I would have implemented it.
                                To bad you live on the Island because Topsoils Northwest in Snohomish will take it if you bring it to them. Some days there's a lineup of trucks waiting to unload. They do their own composting and then sell it off when it's "cooked" enough.
                                Yogurt - If you're so cultured, how come I never see you at the opera? Steven Colbert

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                                • #96
                                  Don't have time to read all the responses, but if she's leaving poop, she's probably leaving urine, too. Are foot problems a good enough reason for her?

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                                    #97
                                    Update--Yes, she's mashing in a stall, not a turn-out.

                                    WOW. This thing exploded. Ok:

                                    I have SIL asking vet this Sat what his opinion is on not cleaning and just smashing.

                                    They are about 15x15' stalls she smashing in...not turnouts.

                                    To all of those that replied and was horrified I was throwing away perfectly good poop, PLEASE come pick it up from me and save me $70/month! I live in the county where if one single piece of poop floats away into your neighbor's yard, they sic Flood Control on you to make sure your property has the correct drainage and is graded properly.

                                    Oh, BTW, my horses live on ONE acre (as do SIL). Once Flood Control got a whiff of my compost pile, then they'd send Zoning out for their job to promptly have me get rid of it.

                                    So again, think where other people live before you bash me about throwing away manure.

                                    Thanks to the defenders who realized that I may not be living on a 30 acre parcel in Tennessee!

                                    I'll post what the vet says about poop-mashing this Saturday!

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                                    • #98
                                      Oh goodie . I can't wait to hear what she says the vets says. Ha!

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                                      • #99
                                        Originally posted by sign of Grace View Post
                                        WOW.

                                        I have SIL asking vet this Sat what his opinion is on not cleaning and just smashing.


                                        I'll post what the vet says about poop-mashing this Saturday!
                                        Anyone want to bet SIL "forgets" to ask the vet about poop smashing versus stall cleaning?
                                        Oh, well, clearly you're not thoroughly indoctrinated to COTH yet, because finger pointing and drawing conclusions are the cornerstones of this great online community. (Tidy Rabbit)

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                                        • Does anyone else think smashing sounds like more work than picking?!
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