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  • Fencing for a run attached to a stall

    Hi, all. Our horses have free access to their open runs attached to their stalls. The runs are about 30' long and 12' wide. Right now we are just using panels that we buy from Tractor Supply. We also have metal poles cemented into the ground in between each panel to stabilize the panels more. But my gelding is the cribber from hell. He cribs through his cribbing collar... poop on the panels doesn't phase him, neither does hot sauce, no chew spray, pine sol, ivory soap, dish soap, anything that I could possibly think of. As a result of this he breaks one or two of his panels every couple months--and that is obviously really expensive. And it's really dangerous as well because metal parts will break and have sharp, jagged edges that he or his neighbor could get cut on.

    So what is the best type of fencing for runs that will either hold up better to his awful cribbing or that will deter him from cribbing completely? I was thinking some kind of braided fencing or tape or something... but I also want it to hold up when the horses lean on it to groom each other or kick out at each other. Price is obviously important as well.
    Someone suggested we just put hot tape around the perimeter of his panels... but I feel like this would be bad if he was just spending some quality time with his buddies and accidentally got zapped.

    Any suggestions that will hold up to horses in close proximity to each other and that won't be crazy expensive?
    http://www.youtube.com/user/NBChoice http://nbchoice.blogspot.com/
    The New Banner's Choice- 1994 ASB Mare
    Dennis The Menace Too- 1999 ASB Gelding
    Dreamacres Sublime- 2008 ASB Gelding

  • #2
    IMO electric is the only thing that will keep him off the fencing. If he can touch it, he will crib on it.

    You might try runing large PVC pipe at the top between the runs. If he can't get his mouth around it, he might stay off it.

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      #3
      I wouldn't mind doing the electric, but I also don't want him to be unnecessarily punished if he was just leaning over to groom his friends or if he just accidentally bumped into it when turning around.

      Do you have a picture of the PVC or somewhere you can send me so that I can see how it would work?
      http://www.youtube.com/user/NBChoice http://nbchoice.blogspot.com/
      The New Banner's Choice- 1994 ASB Mare
      Dennis The Menace Too- 1999 ASB Gelding
      Dreamacres Sublime- 2008 ASB Gelding

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      • #4
        I'd just run 2X4's through pipe large enough to accomodate it and attach the 2X4' to the posts. Make sure the pipe covers the whole 2X4 (except where you attach it to the posts). Or you could run regular pipe throught the PVC pipe and attach it to the metal posts. I've never used metal posts, so I'm not familiar with how you attach rails to it. Sorry, but no pictures available!

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        • #5
          NBChoice, I'd be sorely tempted to try one of the Barclay collars for your horse. One of the trainers we worked with at the track had a ton of success with them. If you would like to buy, email the guys in Australia for the info on their US distributor--I do not believe the info is on their website and shipping from Australia is terrible.

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            #6
            Woo those are pricey! But probably cheaper than having to buy new panels every 4 months.
            http://www.youtube.com/user/NBChoice http://nbchoice.blogspot.com/
            The New Banner's Choice- 1994 ASB Mare
            Dennis The Menace Too- 1999 ASB Gelding
            Dreamacres Sublime- 2008 ASB Gelding

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            • #7
              If you like the portability and flexibility of the panels I'd just look for a heavier gauge panel. I've never seen a cribber manage to bend a high quality panel with its teeth - the horse would be out teeth by then.


              But of course hotwire to get the horse to stop wind sucking (assuming it won't next be destroying buckets and feeders) seems as if it would help the horse's health more.
              Originally posted by Silverbridge
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              • #8
                I know that for pens we use the panels too, we had to completely encase one in plywood to stop the "circus pony" practicing that smashed the old one down to the ground, with all those broken tubes and sharp edges. That was labor intensive and it only went up four feet so you'd still have a spot to crib on.

                Is he using any/all of the bars to crib? In that case how about switching to mesh fencing, or if you want panels how about a tall chain link panel?
                Courageous Weenie Eventer Wannabe
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                  #9
                  He only uses the top bar and mostly just on two of the panels. Although sometimes he cribs on all of them.
                  http://www.youtube.com/user/NBChoice http://nbchoice.blogspot.com/
                  The New Banner's Choice- 1994 ASB Mare
                  Dennis The Menace Too- 1999 ASB Gelding
                  Dreamacres Sublime- 2008 ASB Gelding

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by NBChoice View Post
                    Woo those are pricey! But probably cheaper than having to buy new panels every 4 months.
                    Used collars pop up on eBay every now and then, for less money.

                    What I think is intriguing about them is that they don't have to be strangle-the-horse tight. They just have to be tight enough the the click switch gets activated when the horse cribs.

                    I did try to buy one from the people in Australia, but it was lost in transit. So definitely email them about their US distributor or buy on eBay. Here's a new one.

                    I can tell you that the trainer who recommended them to me had a few cribbers in his barn that Did. Not. Ever. seem to crib, even minus the collar. I managed to buy one of them (surprise!) but the way they were in the stall and the realization that this was the collar he used made me think that perhaps the horses do not have to wear the collar all the time to eliminate cribbing.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by jherold View Post
                      IMO electric is the only thing that will keep him off the fencing. If he can touch it, he will crib on it.
                      Second this.
                      It'll take once of leaning over to groom his buddy to learn that he can't do that any more, but only once.

                      If you keep using something he can crib on, then he'll keep ruining his teeth.

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                      • #12
                        Do the horses also get pasture time?

                        If so, I would let him do the socializing/grooming during pasture time and use electric fencing to keep him from cribbing when he is in the paddock.

                        Because paddocks are small and more of a chance for injury when playing, I don't want the horses to be able to reach each other. Whenever I get the funds to redo my paddocks, I'm doing fencing high enough so they can see but not touch each other.
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                          #13
                          Simkie- That's the problem with my guy--in order for him to stop cribbing I'd have to pretty much strangle him with the Dare collar that I have for him. It used to work on him, but he soon found out he could still crib with it. I got a hold of them and they gave me the U.S. distributor's name and e-mail address and number!

                          morganpony- I just feel bad that he won't be able to interact with his friends anymore then. Also, I would feel awful if one of the other two horses (who don't crib) leaned over to say hi to him and they got zapped for no reason at all. I know all of them would get over it and their life would move on, I'm just a softie I guess.

                          He gets turned out every day, but for a short period of time and he isn't turned out with anyone else. I've never had a problem with any of our horses being injured or rough housing in our set up. There may be an occasional bite or two, but nothing major that has ever resulted in an injury or me being worried for them. For the most part they get along, and those who don't aren't close to each other.
                          http://www.youtube.com/user/NBChoice http://nbchoice.blogspot.com/
                          The New Banner's Choice- 1994 ASB Mare
                          Dennis The Menace Too- 1999 ASB Gelding
                          Dreamacres Sublime- 2008 ASB Gelding

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                          • #14
                            I had a cribber for many , many years. We just ran a hot wire at the cribbing height of his fence and problem solved. I never put a collar on him. Just make sure to keep the wire hot.

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                              #15
                              Well I ordered the Barclay collar from the U.S. dealer. It shipped last Thursday or Friday and I'm still waiting. I'm very anxious to try it. If this does not work I will be getting an electric fence. I just hope the collar works.
                              http://www.youtube.com/user/NBChoice http://nbchoice.blogspot.com/
                              The New Banner's Choice- 1994 ASB Mare
                              Dennis The Menace Too- 1999 ASB Gelding
                              Dreamacres Sublime- 2008 ASB Gelding

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                              • #16
                                Horses are smart when it comes to electric fences, they figure hot wire out quickly. No need for guilt. There is no good reason for them to be leaning on or touching the fence anyway. Run a strand of electric.

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                                • #17
                                  just a little bean wire will do it!
                                  with my drafts, there is a lot of butt rubbing and fences don't hold up w/o hot wire
                                  Pao Lin

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                                    #18
                                    Lol, excuse my stupidity, but what the heck is bean wire?!

                                    Here is a pic of how big our runs are:
                                    http://s1117.beta.photobucket.com/us...d6000.jpg.html

                                    Like I said they are about 30' long and 12' wide. I guess I'm just nervous that he will touch the hot wire, fly back into the wire behind him and not know where to go because he just keeps hitting wire. I suppose the runs are pretty wide, they look really wide in the pic, but once you're inside it seems smaller.
                                    http://www.youtube.com/user/NBChoice http://nbchoice.blogspot.com/
                                    The New Banner's Choice- 1994 ASB Mare
                                    Dennis The Menace Too- 1999 ASB Gelding
                                    Dreamacres Sublime- 2008 ASB Gelding

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                                    • #19
                                      At a previous barn, horses had runs like yours (12' wide) made of pipe panels. After enduring lots of fighting over the top, kicking and squealing, and ripped blankets, the BO finally added electric around the top. Peace! I was so glad as I was tired of dousing my horse's blanket with rap last to keep his neighbor from ripping it. The horses were just fine and didnt have an issue with it being too tight quartered. The wire was ran along the top so it didn't make the run any smaller. That guy used some homemade insulators (I think they were fiberglass posts cut off and attached somehow), but you can buy plastic insulators that snap onto the pipe -- I have some I use at home.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by NBChoice View Post
                                        He gets turned out every day, but for a short period of time and he isn't turned out with anyone else. I've never had a problem with any of our horses being injured or rough housing in our set up. There may be an occasional bite or two, but nothing major that has ever resulted in an injury or me being worried for them. For the most part they get along, and those who don't aren't close to each other.
                                        Why not more big pasture turnout and why not with other horses so he can socialize appropriately?

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