• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

How would you have handled this situation?

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • How would you have handled this situation?

    How would you handle it if you arrived home to a rundown old car backed up to your stables with no one inside? On the windshield of the car is a note saying something like: "We mean you no harm. We lost our horse and bluetooth device. We are in your lower pasture looking for it." Signed with a name and phone number.

    You have pipe fencing and all perimeter gates are locked, so no horse is getting into your pasture. Your horses are in the front pasture and if a horse were to get into your pasture somehow, it would most likely be near your horses (I would think).
    Rhode Islands are red;
    North Hollands are blue.
    Sorry my thoroughbreds
    Stomped on your roo. Originally Posted by pAin't_Misbehavin' :

  • #2
    Here, we call the sheriff, explain the situation and then go look around, carefully, unless the sheriff's office say to stay put and wait for a deputy to show up first.

    There are plenty of druggies around here and those at times act crazy, as crazy as that one situation seems.

    Comment


    • #3
      Call the phone number on the note.
      ************************
      \"Horses lend us the wings we lack\"

      Comment


      • #4
        First I'd call 911 and report an intruder on my property and ask them to send the police over quick.

        Then I'd wait where I could see my house and my horses in the front pasture to make sure nobody made off with anything until the police arrived.
        I'm not ignoring the rules. I'm interpreting the rules. Tamal, The Great British Baking Show

        Comment


        • #5
          If it were just me, creaky, older and female, I'd call the neighbors or sheriff and go looking after I got some reinforcements. If it were me and DH he'd hop on the tractor or in the 4x and go looking with the cell phone to hand, likely he'd be carrying too, probably not too happy for the same reasons - gates all shut, fences secure and how exactly did y'all get inside my pasture? We would also be suggesting strongly that perhaps waiting till somebody was home, who could assist in the search, would be a better time to look for something like a bluetooth or a missing horse.
          I might also call the sheriff as we are fairly close to the rail line which passes by a prison and convicts have been known to hop a freight and get off at a switching yard a couple miles from my house. They've stolen cars near there before to make a getaway.

          Generally for us it's been the same horses belonging to the same guy and one midnight visit by the donkey the guy was the one making all the noise traipsing through eveybody's back pastures. We met him, with his d*mn donkey (it's a cute mini but it's intact and getting old enough to be potentially dangerous), and I chewed him out the whole way down our driveway and out to the road, mainly telling him that some of us had to work at 4AM on Saturday morning and we really didn't appreciate being rousted out of our sleep at freaking midnite thirty . . . and you get the picture.

          Really, even if it were a gorgeous late model Mercedes, it is very rude to "go looking" on your place without your presence or permission. It's trespassing, plain and simple.

          ETA what Paint said is a very sensible response.
          Courageous Weenie Eventer Wannabe
          Incredible Invisible

          Comment


          • #6
            Lock, load, and call 9-1-1. "Bluetooth devices" don't walk into a freakin pasture.
            Nudging "Almost Heaven" a little closer still...
            http://www.wvhorsetrainer.com

            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by Belg View Post
              Lock, load, and call 9-1-1. "Bluetooth devices" don't walk into a freakin pasture.
              My thoughts exactly. And originally I'd posted that the second thing I'd do would be arm myself appropriately.

              But then I got to thinking it might not be a good idea to be armed when the police show up. I've never actually tried it, but I know that in general our police kind of like to be the only kids on the playground with weapons. Not that I have a gun, but of course I have things like knives and axes and etc. cause I live on a farm.

              How about where you are? How do your police react if they arrive and the complaining property owner is armed?
              I'm not ignoring the rules. I'm interpreting the rules. Tamal, The Great British Baking Show

              Comment


              • #8
                I'd call the police and arm myself...AND I'd tell the police that I would wait inside my house (armed) until they got there...which is when I'd come out to talk with them unarmed. That way, they know what I'm doing and that I'll not try anything stupid. AND they know that if someone tries to come into my house (or hurt me or my horses) before the cops get there, I can take care of myself.


                Can you tell us what you did? Or whoever this happened to?

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by pAin't_Misbehavin' View Post
                  My thoughts exactly. And originally I'd posted that the second thing I'd do would be arm myself appropriately.

                  But then I got to thinking it might not be a good idea to be armed when the police show up. I've never actually tried it, but I know that in general our police kind of like to be the only kids on the playground with guns.

                  How about where you are? How do your police react if they arrive and the complaining property owner is armed?
                  I'm almost certain they would be ambivalent. We're in rural WV.

                  We had someone drive a truck up towing a car into the main driveway late (like 11pm) one night. Noone around. Figured it was stolen and they were trying to dump it. Called the sherriff. Turned out ok, but asked him point blank: "What's legal" and the response was: "We're 12 minutes away if we're not on a call. You do what you have to do."

                  Subsequent research, in 2007? WV passed a fairly comprehensive castle doctrine. If you are in your home, on your property, at your place of work, or at your friends house, you can use force up to and including deadly force to prevent attack... etc etc etc.
                  Nudging "Almost Heaven" a little closer still...
                  http://www.wvhorsetrainer.com

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Belg View Post
                    I'm almost certain they would be ambivalent. We're in rural WV.
                    .
                    Probably ours would feel the same, especially if you did as Oberon said and a. let them know you were armed and b. made sure you were unarmed when you greeted them on arrival.

                    We're lucky in that we have a rural precinct maybe five miles away from the farm. But still, a lot can happen in the time it takes to drive five miles.
                    I'm not ignoring the rules. I'm interpreting the rules. Tamal, The Great British Baking Show

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Let me clarify this point. I'm not some gungho dude with a gun. The last thing I do is wave it around. But I absolutely make sure I've got it on me if I feel there is the potential for someone else to have one with less than decent motives. The last thing I ever want to have to do is pull the trigger with a living person between the dots... but I'd rather do that than say goodbye to my wife because I couldn't protect either of us.
                      Nudging "Almost Heaven" a little closer still...
                      http://www.wvhorsetrainer.com

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by pAin't_Misbehavin' View Post
                        Probably ours would feel the same, especially if you did as Oberon said and a. let them know you were armed and b. made sure you were unarmed when you greeted them on arrival.

                        We're lucky in that we have a rural precinct maybe five miles away from the farm. But still, a lot can happen in the time it takes to drive five miles.
                        "Offficer, I am armed. I am going to eject the clip and unchamber the weapon, by your leave."

                        Saves a beating or a shooting every time.
                        Nudging "Almost Heaven" a little closer still...
                        http://www.wvhorsetrainer.com

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          I think I'd also snap a shot of the license plate and the vehicle with my phone.
                          Nudging "Almost Heaven" a little closer still...
                          http://www.wvhorsetrainer.com

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            I'd make sure I was armed and I'd have my dog (GSD). I would call the police and most likely I would stay up at the stables somewhere where I could keep an eye out but not go looking for the intruder(s). How the heck would you have any idea how many there were?
                            Kerri

                            Comment

                            • Original Poster

                              #15
                              I had this situation arise yesterday, and I'll be honest, I was pretty freaking hacked off.

                              I did call the police immediately and request someone to my house ASAP as it looked to be several people in my far pasture. The dispatcher took the information- what kind of car, license plate number (expired paper tags), asked what the note said, if I had touched the car, etc. Then he said someone was on the way.

                              I sat between my house and barn waiting and about 30 minutes later, the intruders started heading back towards my barn/house. During that time, I took notice that 2 roosters, who were like pets, were missing and there were feathers the color of my roosters near the trunk of the car belonging to the intruders.

                              When the people got back to their car, I asked just what the hell they thought they were doing. They immediately said "didn't you read our note???". I fully admit that I was not nice at alll. I told them that I didn't give a crap about their note, they were lucky they didn't get shot, and that I had the police on the way already.

                              The intruders start going over their story which was actually that over the weekend, the woman was riding her horse and was thrown when the horse spooked. The horse took off and she went after it, where she lost her bluetooth somewhere on the land near mine, as best as she could guess, and the horse was already back home. She said she didn't want to have to walk the nearly 2 miles to get back to where she was, so she just decided to come cut through my property and go back there. They then started telling me that they didn't understand why I was upset. This is where I lost my stuff on them. I asked them how they would feel if they had come home and found someone they didn't know at their home. The man says "We weren't in your home, we were in your pasture". I said, "I don't give a ---- if you weren't in my house. This IS my home and when you crossed off the road into my driveway you ARE in my home."

                              They asked what they were supposed to do and I said, "it's called leaving a note on the door saying "Hey, would it be ok if I came onto your property to look for something?", then leaving my property and waiting for a response.". This is when it came out that they had been on my property previously, over the weekend, while I was gone, as well

                              I could not get over the matter-of-factness they had about how they could just come on my property and do whatever they wanted. I was beyond livid. Then they tried to play like they were buddy/buddy with the sheriff and they were calling him to have this taken care of. I said, "Call Mitchell, in fact, let me talk to Mitchell. Tell him it's RTR, he knows who I am.". They seemed a little concerned about that, but dialed anyway. When Mitchell got on the phone, I told him what was going on and told him I wanted to request an officer at my house immediately to file a report. He said he would have one on the way and hung up.

                              An hour and half later, an officer showed up and the first words out of his mouth were, "You all have this cleared up already?". I said that no we didn't and I wanted a report filed for documentation purposes in case I were to find something missing in the next few days. He said, "It's all on camera, so it's documented". Now, my family makes up the majority of the police department where I grew up, so I'm not exactly ignorant on how things work. With this knowledge, I just stared at the cop until he asked for the intruder's ID, the man said that he didn't have any identification on him, and took it to his car to run it. With that, he let them go. He didn't bother to ask if I wanted to press trespassing charges on them or anything.

                              I'm still a bit pissed at the whole thing. It looked like these people were transients, possibly living part of the time in their car. I'm fairly certain they took my roos to eat, and I'm not happy with the way the police handled it.

                              Of course I left out tons more bickering and non-essential stuff like the girl asking if my horses were studs because she had a mare and my horses sure were purty.
                              Rhode Islands are red;
                              North Hollands are blue.
                              Sorry my thoroughbreds
                              Stomped on your roo. Originally Posted by pAin't_Misbehavin' :

                              Comment


                              • #16
                                During that time, I took notice that 2 roosters, who were like pets, were missing and there were feathers the color of my roosters near the trunk of the car belonging to the intruders.
                                Did you have the deputy pop their trunk?
                                Nudging "Almost Heaven" a little closer still...
                                http://www.wvhorsetrainer.com

                                Comment


                                • #17
                                  I, too, am curious as to the outcome of this situation.

                                  I'm not exactly sure what the note left on the car was trying to convey-- their horse was somehow loose in the pasture? Where does the Bluetooth come in? Color me cornfyoozed.

                                  If my horse was loose and I had good reason to believe he was on someone else's property, YES, I would probably trespass to look for him even if the property owners weren't at home, as I would want to retrieve said horse ASAP before he hurt himself or caused any damage. I would also probably have left a note somewhere to that effect (the most logical place would probably be on my car, if it was parked in an obvious place).

                                  I suppose it's not outside the realm of possibility that if someone spotted a loose horse near a pasture, they might put said loose horse into that pasture, thinking that was where he belonged. (Dumb move, but there are lots of dumb people out there!)

                                  Eh, I dunno... perhaps I'm naiive but I don't know that I would immediately jump to the conclusion that there was trouble afoot. Weirdness, sure, but not necessarily trouble.

                                  With that being said, before I took another step, I'd be calling at least a neighbor, to say, "hey, there's a car parked at my barn with a weird note, plate # is XXX-XXX, going to go check it out, can you pop over here for a minute?" and I wouldn't go exploring until someone else knew what was going on.
                                  *friend of bar.ka

                                  "Evidently, I am an unrepentant b*tch, possible trouble maker, and all around super villian"

                                  Comment

                                  • Original Poster

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Belg View Post
                                    Did you have the deputy pop their trunk?
                                    No, he wasn't inclined to do much that required him to leave the confines of his car, and, to be honest, I hadn't had a chance to look around and I thought maybe the roos were just hiding somewhere, scared, so I just didn't say anything.

                                    I forgot to mention that there were, in fact, 3 people in total. One was a child, probably around 6 or 7ish with dried green snot smeared all over his face which he kept running his hands through and then wanting to come hold my hand.

                                    Edited to say that my perimeter fences are padlocked, so there is no putting a horse in my pasture. The horse would have to jump 4'6=5' welded pipe fencing to get in my pastures or someone would have to have a key and I am the only one that does. The spares are in my house. But, of course, they horse had already been taken home, days before, I would later find out.
                                    Rhode Islands are red;
                                    North Hollands are blue.
                                    Sorry my thoroughbreds
                                    Stomped on your roo. Originally Posted by pAin't_Misbehavin' :

                                    Comment


                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Belg View Post
                                      Did you have the deputy pop their trunk?

                                      That was my question also.

                                      and I'm a bit confused - in your OP, you said that you had called the police and the dispatcher told you one was on the way. What happened to that one? and, if police=sheriff, why wasn't one already on the way when you spoke to Mitchell?

                                      (I don't blame you for being upset ... sounds as if the deputy blew you off.)
                                      Nevertheless, she persisted.

                                      Comment


                                      • #20
                                        ETA-- if I saw chicken feathers near their trunk, they wouldn't be leaving until the authorities convinced them to pop said trunk.
                                        *friend of bar.ka

                                        "Evidently, I am an unrepentant b*tch, possible trouble maker, and all around super villian"

                                        Comment

                                        Working...
                                        X