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Coyotes! How do I get them to move?

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  • #21
    Originally posted by Wayside View Post
    My horses actually do a pretty decent job of keeping the coyotes out of the pasture. It's interesting because they don't object to most other animals. They're totally fine with deer, fox, flocks of turkeys, and even domestic dogs, but they'll charge at coyotes if they're dumb enough to try to cut across the pasture.
    My horses too! I have one field that's deep into my farm, and when I feed there in the evening I've often wondered what would happen if a predator showed up (bear and mountaiin lion have been spotted -- though they are VERY rare). I expected that the horses would all take off, leaving me as a tasty meal.

    About a month ago a very large coyote (German Shepherd size) showed up in the field 100 feet from me and the horses. Instead of running away, the horses all got very alert, tall (heads raised, ears pricked) and then in unison they all advanced on the coyote -- who immediately decided it would be a good idea to find another spot, out of the pasture.

    We have a ton of coyotes -- you can hear them every night -- but I'm sure all the horses are just fine.
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    • #22
      We are fortunate that our alpha mare, (and mare #2) are very aggressive about any canine type coming into their pasture. (We do not have dogs, partly for this reason, btw). However, this did not keep a coyote from coming onto our back deck and killing one of cats one winter morning.

      We live on a different farm now where the pasture is only 40' from the house, and haven't had any casualties yet. I much prefer fox to coyotes, they are more timid and mostly stay away from the house. I feel your pain about the coyotes, and agree that some sort of guard animal, or a well-aimed shotgun in times of drought, etc. is the best plan.

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      • #23
        Go to your state web page, they may offer advice. Indiana's gov site actually has a section dedicated to coyotes, how to deal with them, who to call if needed etc.

        I recently relocated and had a young coyote show up in a field. It rattled my nerves because I have a mini, goats, 2 coyotes-bait little dogs and a 5 year old human (in addition to my big horses and 2 GSDs).

        The site is on Indiana's page is very helpful and calmed my East Coast nerves. It gave me a plan. We are hypervigilant with the small dogs, where they go out (only in a fenced area, well lit). We never feed them outside (attracts coyotes), only let the little dogs out with the shepherds, never leave them out for long or when we are not there.
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        • #24
          We shoot them. Too many barn cats around, and I love my kitties. Not to mention, we caught many coyotes on game cams at an old barn and then my gelding came in with his leg torn open. Vet thought coyotes were a possibility.

          The state also pays people in va to kill them. Something like 70 bucks each.
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          • #25
            If it's just the barn cats, we figure something will get most of them eventually (coyote, car, fight with another cat, just disappears, etc) and don't worry about it, and they don't seem to bother the horse at all. I would only worry if a coyote were directly approaching humans in broad daylight-that's not normal and I'd be concerned about rabies.
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            • #26
              Some horses will definitely go after coyotes/canines of any sort and trample them. Found that out the hard way when my chocolate lab went into a friends pasture.

              Our mini donkeys are just as fierce, if not more so. We have to warn visitors who bring dogs. They are cute but can be very aggressive toward a strange dog. We hear coyotes all the time and haven't lost a chicken yet, they live next to the barn. We have lost several cats because they don't stay close enough.

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              • #27
                They are a serious problem here. Many stories of dogs and cats, so many lost cat posters around it is sad. One fellow, a neighbor lost a yorkie, saw the coyote snatch it in broad daylight, next target was that dog's dam, he was close enough to kick the coyote that time and saved him but he was badly torn. They give me the creeps when they yip, that is their call to get the animals to come to them. For the game little dogs it is their last hunt. Another neighbor heard a small pack, perhaps a family pull down a deer right next to her house, the screams of the rabbits at night in Virgina being killed by the overpopulation of foxes was bad enough, I don't want to hear a deer scream.

                You can get recordings of animals in distress, call them in and shoot them here because they are such a serious problem. In some residential areas of Bremerton, where the Naval Shipyard is located, are so populated with them that people are afraid to leave their little children out in their yards, even with someone standing there. If they are snatching up dogs in full view in broad daylight, I certainly could see that they would at least attack a small child. No organized hunts here because the Greenies would just swoon and scream, plus the state's game laws are fairly irrational when it comes to hunting with dogs.
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                • #28
                  I almost forgot this, but a few years ago one of my students did a poster on coyote attacks on dogs. It had all kinds of sad pictures & a list of attacks, with a few newspaper articles.

                  Naturally, it was titled "Coyote Ugly"


                  In NE these things are BIG, with a few studies showing they are actually at least in some part red wolves that have migrated north into Canada from southern US & then back down. They definitely look wolfy, not the same face shape as the western ones.

                  http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.1656/045.017.0202

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                  • #29
                    Our extension agent warned not to kill off coyotes that aren't causing problems because they are territorial and the open territory may get taken over by more aggressive coyotes. Here in North Alabama guarding dogs, llamas and donkeys are very popular and successful.

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                    • #30
                      You can buy mountain lion urine. I am told that it will keep them away if sprinkled around.

                      Not all mules and donkeys will kill or chase them. Mine happily ignored the coyotes that killed my chickens over the course of a summer.

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                      • #31
                        If you are interested in a livestock guard dog, I saw these two on FB a few days ago:

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                        They're in Nicholasville and seem to already be LGD trained or started in that direction.
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                        • #32
                          I went out to get me horse out of the pasture. I go really early so there is just enough light to see the outline of the horses. One time the horses were close and then I saw a coyote. I yelled go away and waved my hands in the air. The coyote started coming towards me. I went closer to the horses because I knew my horse would go after it if it came to the inner circle of the horses and me. The coyote walked away. It scared me how un - afraid the coyote was of me. It was so dark I guess it could have been a dog, but I don't think it was.

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                          • #33
                            Originally posted by xsalute View Post
                            I went out to get me horse out of the pasture. I go really early so there is just enough light to see the outline of the horses. One time the horses were close and then I saw a coyote. I yelled go away and waved my hands in the air. The coyote started coming towards me. I went closer to the horses because I knew my horse would go after it if it came to the inner circle of the horses and me. The coyote walked away. It scared me how un - afraid the coyote was of me. It was so dark I guess it could have been a dog, but I don't think it was.
                            Coyotes are very curious. If you were yelling and waving your hands, it was probably coming to see what you were doing. I've had them stop and walk toward me when I've whistled at them like I whistle for the dogs. If a coyote is being agressive, they will arch their back, open their mouths in a sort of gaping snarl and sort of hop sideways at you. It's kind of hard to describe until you see it.
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                            • #34
                              I have an Anatolian Shepherd dog and would see coyotes coming right up to my horse barn until the puppy reached about 10 months. Although I still hear them in the woods close-by I haven't seen one since or any evidence that they come close to our buildings.

                              The guardian dogs are wonderful and make a fabulous family dog if you live in the country and know how to handle this kind of breed.

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                              • #35
                                We have LOTS of coyotes. I believe in trying to get along with the wildlife best you can.

                                I make it a habit to feed the cats at dusk. They know that they get fed at that time (I most just add to their dry food or open up a can for the ancient ones but they think it`s a big deal and come running) They are now afraid of the dark and want to be locked up and actually get nervous if I`m late.

                                We do not let the dog run at large, just let him out to do his business at nite, then right back in. He`s 80 lbs. but coyotes will hunt in packs and lure dogs out and then attack them. Smart critters......coyotes are.

                                They have never bothered the horses.
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                                • #36
                                  jmho !!

                                  I've successfully moved a den with cubs still in it a coupla times. Only got them to relocate it of course. I'd read they don't want it discovered so I rode there, walked around, mashed down vegetation, had my dog & horse leave deposits, left some used kitty litter there and generally exposed it and fouled it. Went back over several days and they moved the cubs. One summer I got them to move twice. The 3rd location was far enough away I was content. Just didn't want them in my comfort zone or too near the farm regularly. Truth is; they move about after the cubs are grown so really they don't use their dens except for raising cubs. Their nightly rounds are going to include my place because it's in their territory. Remember, they are nocturnal mostly. Keep your little critters inside at night and that'd help.
                                  Got the local deerhunters to help us out and it made a huge dent in the population. I takes awhile for the area to repopulate.

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                                  • #37
                                    We shoot on sight. We used to have a horrible problem with coyotes...and then we got a LGD. I haven't seen a coyote within a mile of our place since we got Moose, though I do hear them at night sometimes.

                                    Originally posted by RedMare01 View Post
                                    If you are interested in a livestock guard dog, I saw these two on FB a few days ago:

                                    http://www.petfinder.com/petdetail/23385179
                                    http://www.petfinder.com/petdetail/23720500

                                    They're in Nicholasville and seem to already be LGD trained or started in that direction.
                                    Just a word to the wise - Pyrs can be hard to rehome, especially if they are over a year old. They are very territorial, and sometimes they won't bond properly with their new "herd" if they haven't grown up with those people/animals. They can also be aggressive with new people and especially new dogs unless VERY well socialized when young.

                                    LGDs and Pyrs in particular are wonderful dogs, but they are not a dog for everyone. They tend to be stubborn and independent, and hard to train. They like to roam - they stake out a "territory" and patrol it regularly. This may only include your property...or it could include a square mile's worth of neighbors. They also bark. A LOT. But then, that's what they were bred for - to go out on their own with their herd or flock and make their own decisions about what action needs to be taken, and to bark regularly to announce to any would-be predators "Hey, I'm here! You better stay away!" Like I mentioned before, they can be aggressive if not properly socialized when young, and they are more likely to be more aggressive as the dog gets older, particularly with males. If you're not experienced with dogs, a donkey or llama would make a better protector.
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                                    • #38
                                      Generally coyotes will not pester larger animals but may attack smaller dogs and cats.

                                      That said the most effective way to deal with coyotes is hazing them. There are several studies on interactions etc and this has proven the most effective method (other then a LGD).

                                      Shooting them just allows for more to move in so is a temporary method.
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                                      • #39
                                        Around here, barn owners adopt feral cats as barn cats. They acclimate to humans nicely, but are uber smart at staying out of the coyote's mouth. "Barn cat" is really the perfect job for a (vetted, spayed/neurtered and innoculated) feral cat.

                                        The earlier comment about the very large german shepherd size coyote reminded me that many, or most, of the north east coyotes are considered to be wolf/coyote hybrids. The Eastern Timber wolf apparently crossed with the coyote in canada, they came down through maine, and that's the majority of coyotes we have here in New England. Probably accounts for the larger coyotes in NY state, as well. I saw one made me think of a wolf - tall, probably close to 90 pounds, and long long legs, which seemed to go up to his throat, no chest, narrow at the chest, legs close together with huge feet, and the prints the size of my hand. I at the time truly thought it must be a wolf, but the state ranger guys said no, but the description fit the timber wolf/coyote hybrid they know to be in the area.
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                                        • #40
                                          There are regular coyote hunters in the area we live (humans w/ dogs) and that keeps the coyotes very shy about people. Perhaps organized hunting in areas troubled by coyotes would lessen their brazen behavior?

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