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Spinoff badger thread and rabies

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  • Spinoff badger thread and rabies

    I live in NW Pennsylvania and we have a pretty serious threat of rabies in our area.

    So, rabies is one vacc I don't skip on each year.

    From the other thread, apparently rabies vaccines are not commonly administered in all parts of the US.

    What area do you live in and do you routinely vaccinate for rabies?

  • #2
    TX panhandle. We had a horse infected last fall and about 30 people had to get shots because of it.

    We have a problem with skunks and coons and too many people not vaccinating their cats and dogs.

    With the severe drought, more wildlife came to towns and yards and that is why last year we had more cases than normal.

    We have been vaccinating for rabies for many years, too serious to take chances.


    • Original Poster

      We have large tracts of forested land, which of course, harbor the dreaded 'coons/skunks/small mammals that are vector species.

      I agree (depending on location of course) that rabies is far too serious a threat to let my domestic pets go unvaccinated or my horses since they are out on pasture at night and even when kept indoors, who knows what comes visiting after dark.


      • #4
        I'm in Southern Wisconsin, and I vaccinate all my animals. Horses and sheep get the rabies vaccine annually, the dog and the cats are on the 3-year rotation, if I recall correctly.
        "In order to really enjoy a dog, one doesn’t merely train him to be semi-human. The point of it is to open oneself to the possibility of becoming part dog."
        -Edward Hoagland


        • Original Poster

          Originally posted by Wayside View Post
          I'm in Southern Wisconsin, and I vaccinate all my animals. Horses and sheep get the rabies vaccine annually, the dog and the cats are on the 3-year rotation, if I recall correctly.
          that is the rotation I am on as well.


          • #6
            Western New York, every year. Had a very scary raccoon near my barn at one point. Not afraid of my dogs. Just sat there by the pine tree and one dog went at him, dog got bit. Threw the dog in the house and called animal control to come and deal with the raccoon, no luck. Reason why I'd like to have a gun. Raccoon proceeded to go into barn, into barnyard and then started coming towards ME. At that point I departed, bathed the dog and got him a booster shot (horses were out in the pasture). Raccoon took off who knows where.....Am aware of one positive feral kitten, and several foxes......


            • #7
              Northern Colorado, and last year was the FIRST year I ever vaccinated my horses for rabies. It just wasn't a threat previously, and no vet I ever used carried the vaccine or recommended it.

              Things have changed now. Colorado saw a terrestrial reservoir of rabies for the first time last year, in the south part of the state. Now we're popping rabid skunks all over the place.


              • #8
                Originally posted by Simkie View Post
                Northern Colorado, and last year was the FIRST year I ever vaccinated my horses for rabies. It just wasn't a threat previously, and no vet I ever used carried the vaccine or recommended it.

                Things have changed now. Colorado saw a terrestrial reservoir of rabies for the first time last year, in the south part of the state. Now we're popping rabid skunks all over the place.
                CT was rabies-free for a long time, once it hit we had the same thing. The populations of vectors was initially so high, there were raccoons & skunks w/ rabies all over the place.

                It has since settled down. Scary.

                A lot of states have regulations (maybe all?) that rabies vac should only be administered by a vet. If you have an animal that has been exposed, & you don't have accurate record of valid vaccination, animal has to be under surveillance or quarantine. If said animal then bites/scratches human, then it is destroyed for testing (rabies test requires this).

                I had a friend with a dog that killed a skunk. Vaccination for dog was out of date. Skunk tested + for rabies. Dog was under surv. when he scratched friend's dad. He had to be destroyed for the test

                very, very sad (and scary!)


                • Original Poster

                  Originally posted by Hippolyta View Post
                  A lot of states have regulations (maybe all?) that rabies vac should only be administered by a vet.
                  PA regs state that small animals must be vaccinated by a licensed veterinarian (tho I know one person who vaccinates for herself and keeps the bottle/reciept). For large animals, it is not required.

                  That said, paying a barn call fee and for the vaccine to have a certificate is a small price to pay in my estimation.


                  • #10
                    Large animals - annual
                    Small animals - 3 year

                    I'm in CT, and to keep your animals from being seized and/or destroyed to test in case they bite anyone the vaccine MUST be administered by a licensed vet.

                    You can do the vaccine yourself, it's not illegal to buy or give it. But your word or receipts don't count if there's any issues. Understandably.

                    Also with dogs, you can't license without the proof of vaccine from the vet.

                    There was a badger thread?
                    You jump in the saddle,
                    Hold onto the bridle!
                    Jump in the line!


                    • #11
                      Keeping the bottle and receipt won't do squat to help your friend if her animals' vaccination status is ever in question. All that proves is that she bought a vial of rabies vaccine and she also has an empty vial in her possession. No proof whatsoever that it made into the right tissue of the right animal in the proper time frame from when vax status came into question.
                      I'm in central VA and every animal I own is vaccinated for rabies. Well, except for the hermit crabs. ;-) Even my vaccine reactor Dutch Warmblood gets his annual rabies vaccine with his usual side of steroids and antihistamines. Heck, I get my rabies vac, too.
                      I also have myself and my daughter vaccinated for tetanus every 5overbearing years instead of every 10 since we're the 2 in the family who horse around. Anyone else step up their tetanus vax frequency?
                      "Absent a correct diagnosis, medicine is poison, surgery is trauma and alternative therapy is witchcraft" A. Kent Allen


                      • #12
                        I have been getting tetanus every ten years on the dot, all my life.
                        Working with horses is mandatory.

                        Just got one again this year, as the vaccine booster for me falls in the ---2 year, as this one.

                        I am not sure it is necessary any more often, read some studies where soldiers from WWII were still protected after 30 years without boosters.


                        • #13
                          Here in WA, we do not vaccinate our horses/livestock vs. rabies, have never had a vet even recommend it in 30 years of horse ownership. Dogs and cats--every 3 years by law. Rabies vax must be administered by a vet and they hold a record of it, as does the owner in WA. Only way to legally vax v. rabies.

                          Our infection/reporting rates for rabies in wildlife is remarkably low--Oregon had 20 some cases reported in wildlife last year (fox, coyote, bat being the 3 main victims).

                          For us, rabies is less of a threat to our horses than say, West Nile and the like. Potomac is almost unheard of here, too, as is Lyme. (I've only seen a handful of ticks on a dog and never on a horse here in western WA).

                          This is a big country with a huge variation in diseases and wildlife as well as climate, all of which contribute to what, when and how you vaccinate.
                          Proud member of the "Don't rush to kill wildlife" clique!


                          • Original Poster

                            Mistyblue and Jackieblue, I did tell her that it would not hold up if one of her dogs got into trouble. I don't know if she still does it herself or not.

                            For me and mine, we go to the vet for it. As I stated, it is a small price to pay for the security of knowing the animal is protected.


                            • #15
                              Of course we vacccinate, everybody, every time they're due. Horses, goats, dogs, cats, and me. (I work for a small animal vet, it comes with the job). Oh dear, I've experienced too many stories about wildlife and family pets. They're just stupid, the owners, for not getting the vaccine. It's insisted upon here in Va, but way out in Oregon-not so much? Not calling you stupid, Calvincrowe , (proud member of don't kill unless you absolutely must clique). Rabies is a big deal here, skunks, racoons, bats, and CATS are the typical carriers.
                              Vaccinate so you don't have to run screaming, with killing on your mind, if you see wildlife.


                              • Original Poster

                                Calvincrowe, you are fortunate not to have the rabies problem we do. I hope that it never pops up in your area like it did for Hippolyta.


                                • Original Poster

                                  Leaf that was uncalled for. I'm asking for what is both traditional and what is required in different areas of the country. Don't make this an inflammatory thread. Take that back to the badger thread.


                                  • #18
                                    I truly did not mean to inflame, I'm sorry. The point I was trying to make, poorly worded, was to vaccinate. Here in Va. we vaccinate every three years for our adult dogs and cats. It's required by law. We vaccinate our livestock every year, that's the recommendation. You're close by in Pa. so you know of the very real threat of rabies. I'm exposed to companion animals on a daily basis. There's no excuse for not having a vaccine when it's required by law for companion animals, and not very common-sensical for we owners of livestock.
                                    Calvincrowe lives waay out in Oregon. They don't have to vaccinate their livestock. They have a lower incidence than we do here in the east.

                                    I've seen people have an inclination, here in Va, to over- react to wildlife encounters. Shoot to kill, any wildlife they happen to see.
                                    Rabies is threat here it's true. But vaccinate so you have less to worry about.
                                    Seems to me that you and I are on the same page.


                                    • Original Poster

                                      Leaf, I apologize if I misunderstood.

                                      Absolutely vaccinate. In PA, it is suggested to vaccinate livestock yearly, mandatory 3 year rabies for domestic house pets.

                                      We aren't required to vaccinate livestock but considering how common it is for us, it would be foolish not to. I was pretty shocked when I had the vet out for innoculations 2 weeks ago and he didn't want to give me a certificate. I went to the office and got them for our 4 horses.

                                      As another spin off....my vet charged me $70 per horse for a 5 way, what do the others on this list pay?


                                      • #20
                                        Three- yeah, that sounds about right for the 5-way I had done this spring. I have a closed herd of two retired horses at home, so I don't do strangles. WNV is the biggie for me--we have had a horrible year of mosquitoes, horror film worthy clouds of them. My pastures are lush, because the boys can't go out, they are eaten alive even wearing full fly sheets/neck covers and I spray them with Off! for people. Sigh.

                                        I know some folks are beginning to vax for rabies in their horses...but I did it once and my old boy had a horrible reaction, so he goes without. And I don't really worry, even though my barn seems to house a jillion bats.
                                        Proud member of the "Don't rush to kill wildlife" clique!