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  • PSA on Hay

    I have come across a few ads in Michigan on CL for hay going for $7-$12 for a small square bale. This is insane. There is no reason to pay this much for hay in Michigan and people need to stop paying that if they are. I just bought 40 round bales for $25 each, and square bales for $3. My farmer says he is going to still get a 2nd cutting. People are freaking out and getting taken advantage of. This needs to stop. now. Every single year I hear a different story from the farmers as to why the hay is going to be expensive. Too wet, too dry, too many weeds, too thick, too dusty. I do understand there is a bit of a drought this year. But if you continue to pay $12 for hay, you as a hay purchaser are going to raise the price for everyone else.
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  • #2
    And what exactly do you suggest people do? Not buy hay to feed their horses? Not everyone has the ability to travel to get hay. If the local hay guy is charging that much, folks are going to pay it if its the only hay they can arrange to buy.
    "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

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    • #3
      A bit of a drought ?

      When the entire US Midwest and southeast is dry I'd say it's more than a bit of a drought. I really don't think hay growers are trying to pull a fast one on you this year. As to hay prices rising when it's scarce, that's how the free market works.

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      • #4
        I'm sorry, but that's rather pretentious... What do you suggest, chewing out the hay farmers? THAT will keep you in affordable hay, yeah...
        It's a small world -- unless you gotta walk home.

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        • #5
          Buy the equipment, maintain the land, take weeks off of work, pray for good weather... then you will understand what goes into the cost of hay. If I could ship it to the Midwest for $12 a bale, I wouldn't sell it to you for $3.
          ::Sometimes you have to burn a few bridges to keep the crazies from following you::

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            #6
            I knew I would get slammed, but most farmers are still selling it for $3-$5 a bale. Its the CL "farmers" that are hiking up the prices and freaking people out. I suggest they shop locally and by word of mouth. I'm just trying to help everyones pocket book.
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              #7
              So maybe this is what they will do, I sware this wasn't me that posted this.

              http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/grd/3173462066.html

              Hay farmers - $6 (Rip off farmers)

              Date: 2012-07-30, 7:05PM EDT
              Reply to: w99j9-3173462066@sale.craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]

              It will rain again.
              I would rather butcher my horses and eat them.
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              • #8
                The onus is on the individual to do the research and find appropriate hay at the best price possible. Slamming the farmers because people will pay higher prices just makes you rude. I just don't understand your little hate crusade lately all over COTH about hay prices. What are you trying to accomplish?
                It's a small world -- unless you gotta walk home.

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                • #9
                  Here's what I don't understand

                  Why, with all of the prices for everything raising, do farmers still sell us hay for $4-5 a bale? The truth is, most of us would pay more, and it's the one industry that, for the most part, doesn't increase prices unless there is an extreme scarcity.


                  If someone lives in an area where hay isn't plentiful, they should have to pay more. Much more.


                  It's economics, and for one, in a hateful economy, I say that prices that have been largely the same for the last 20 years, most of us are getting a bargain.


                  Thanks to Tamara and all of them like her and her hubby.

                  You couldn't pay me enough to do what they do and work that hard, it's why I have a desk job and either trade for or buy my hay.


                  BTDT in my youth. There were no malls or Micky D's. If you wanted to work, you spent your summer on a hay wagon or in a barn stacking it.

                  Rode my bike 5 miles to spend the day baling hay.


                  Good damn thing that the ride home was downhill, that's all I'm saying.

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                  • #10
                    I have to say that for me $7 for a square bale seems high, but when you take into account the land, the equipment, (long term investments) the diesel fuel, the time and the knowhow, (immediate costs) hay for less than $10 a bale is cheap no matter where you are in the country.

                    Farmers' knowledge seems to be way undervalued. I once estimated that my time (using my hourly rate for my regular job which also takes some know-how but I'm not a doctor or lawyer) and immediate costs (hay string, recent repair bills and fuel) it cost me $2 a bale to make it......

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Derby Lyn Farms View Post
                      Its the CL "farmers" that are hiking up the prices and freaking people out. I suggest they shop locally and by word of mouth.
                      On CL, they are getting shoppers from all over trying to source hay. Obviously they would advertise higher prices than you would get locally by word of mouth.
                      ::Sometimes you have to burn a few bridges to keep the crazies from following you::

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                      • #12
                        Maybe your $3 a bale hay is crappy hay and their $7 a bale hay is nice hay? Ever think of that?
                        I'm not a CPA.

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                          #13
                          Mosey, I believe I was aiming this towards the individual purchasing the hay. I am not sure what hate crusade all over Coth that you are speaking of? One thread in Around the Farm is NOT all over Coth. What I was trying to accomplish was to let people know that there is still hay available for less then $12 a bale, and not to jump the gun and freak out and buy up every last scrap at $12 a bale. Why the hate against me? I'm just trying to help out the pocket book for people. Is that such a crime?
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                            #14
                            Let me clarify. The CL "farmers" are most likely not the real farmers. They are buying up bulk loads of hay and reselling for a profit. I pay $3 for a nice timothy/orchard grass fist cutting mix hay. No weeds, not crappy. I pay $4-5 for a good alfalfa 2nd cutting hay, no weeds not crappy. Some people will pay up to $7 for this 2nd cutting, which I understand. But I saw first cutting going for $7/bale.

                            Michigan has always been a supplier of hay. This state has enough hay to supply other states. Hay is plentiful here. So plentiful that last years is still sitting in the fields rotting because there was too much of it.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Derby Lyn Farms View Post
                              Let me clarify. The CL "farmers" are most likely not the real farmers. They are buying up bulk loads of hay and reselling for a profit. I pay $3 for a nice timothy/orchard grass fist cutting mix hay. No weeds, not crappy. I pay $4-5 for a good alfalfa 2nd cutting hay, no weeds not crappy. Some people will pay up to $7 for this 2nd cutting, which I understand. But I saw first cutting going for $7/bale.

                              Michigan has always been a supplier of hay. This state has enough hay to supply other states. Hay is plentiful here. So plentiful that last years is still sitting in the fields rotting because there was too much of it.
                              Well, then good for those CL farmers who know how to make money! I don't think that's a crime. If someone is willing to pay the price, that means they either didnt' take the time to search for it cheaper, or they are willing to pay that much because they don't want to be stuck with their hand over their ass come snow-fly when their hay barn is empty because they were holding out for $3.00 a bale hay from somewhere.
                              "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

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                                #16
                                Well I don't think it's a crime for me to post on here that it is still only $3-$5 a bale in other places. Don't know why you all have to be such haters.
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                                • #17
                                  Production costs have gone up and yield is down. It's Econ101 and not a huge surprise. We saw this coming in early June when we only had a 40% yield and saw no 2nd cutting emerging so we jumped in on a hay co-op and we were able to secure hay from OK for $5 a bale because we ordered 36,000 bales (the co-op, not me). It pays to be proactive!

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                                  • #18
                                    It's no crime at all, and I indulged in a little hyperbole on the 'hate crusade', but I'm pretty sure you commented on a few threads in Horse Care about the hay farmers screwing people too. The crime is the snide tone in which you present the information. Saying, "Hey, there's a lot of hay advertised fairly high on Craigslist, make sure you shop around because I know there are people selling for $3-$5" is not offensive. Your whole OP is, in my opinion.

                                    ETA: I do apologize, I went to looking and the poster in Horse Care was not actually you, so I am sorry for saying that.
                                    Last edited by Mosey_2003; Jul. 31, 2012, 11:17 AM. Reason: Humble Pie
                                    It's a small world -- unless you gotta walk home.

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                                    • #19
                                      oddly enough a letter composed by Himself (Mr Me)on the same subject three days ago:

                                      a word from Himself from a letter to a County Agent:

                                      On the hay.
                                      We do deal with shallow soil in this county such that we are always 2 weeks away from a drought. We have a lot of small fields in this county that the trees suck up a lot of moisture from the field edges. But the biggest problem is ignorance, not rainfall. A year ago, you could buy a 5x5 rd bale for $25/bale. If that bale weighed 1000lb, that makes it $50/ton. The N,P, and K in that bale of hay alone were worth more like $65/ton just to leave the hay on the ground. So the farmer is working hard at losing money! (The flip side of the situation is that the farmer brags that he baled hay till midnight -well everything past 7pm is 25% moisture and is molded thru and thru and he doesn’t' even understand that it probably isn't worth loading on the truck.) The farmer complains that he cannot fertilize, but he cannot fertilize, because he gave his hay away. Because he didn't fertilize, the hay don't grow. With proper fertility, most grass will get buy with about 1/2 of the rainfall that we normally get. We have been spoiled with 50-60 inches of rainfall every year and now that we have a short month, we blame everything but ourselves.


                                      Tamara
                                      Production Acres,Pro A Welsh Cobs
                                      I am one of the last 210,000 remaining full time farmers in America.We feed the others.

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                                      • Original Poster

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Mosey_2003 View Post
                                        It's no crime at all, and I indulged in a little hyperbole on the 'hate crusade', but I'm pretty sure you commented on a few threads in Horse Care about the hay farmers screwing people too. The crime is the snide tone in which you present the information. Saying, "Hey, there's a lot of hay advertised fairly high on Craigslist, make sure you shop around because I know there are people selling for $3-$5" is not offensive. Your whole OP is, in my opinion.

                                        ETA: I do apologize, I went to looking and the poster in Horse Care was not actually you, so I am sorry for saying that.
                                        Hey no problem. Had to double check myself that I wasn't going on some rant in another place about this hay I have bought up most of my hay already for the winter, as long as I don't acquire anymore horses. I just have a feeling I will come across a lot of tb's that are going to be needing homes this winter. And for some reason I get the phone call for all the tb's that need homes in the area.
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