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  • #61
    Originally posted by Mosey_2003 View Post
    Upon further observation, Mr. Hippy seems to have thought that moving to the country would mean we'd be one big happy family like Little House on the Prairie. He WAS told not to mess with the horse by my parents when they first started moving in. He just seems a bit overzealous and was 'trying to help'. Meh, I'm over it now. If he had just been petting or feeding treats it wouldn't have bothered me near as much. I think he's gotten the idea now, thankfully. Unfortunately, my parents really need to income from renting or believe me, we wouldn't do it. Apart from the kum-bay-yah tendences they do seem like good renters, very clean and paying up front. As long as the boundaries stay clear I think we'll be ok. Just needed a vent when it happened!
    I get that this is a vent, but I think you need to think a little more broadly.

    Look, if Clueless Guy thought that "life in the country" was going to be communal and kind, be gentle when you tell him "no thanks" for his help. Every time a horseman chastises the clueless for being naive we risk alienating those folks. We might be right-- about dangers they don't see, who will sue the pants off whom, and their being entitled babies. But The Clueless still vote on things like zoning laws and budgets for state parks that give we horsemen some things we badly need and can't just buy for ourselves. We need to be diplomats.
    The armchair saddler
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    • #62
      mvp, I'm with you. There's an awful lot of anger being expressed here, and certainly many of these stories are of terrible experiences. But the truth is, the majority of people you meet (or rent to) have absolutely no experience with horses, or any animals other than dogs and cats. It's an opportunity to educate and explain, and perhaps bring that person around to an educated fondness for horses.
      The barn where I board has frequent "visitors", even though it's invisible from the road, down a dirt driveway between other houses. Word just gets around that there are horses, and I've been there on many a weekend morning when mom/dad/grandparents come down with their kids to see the ponies. It really doesn't take more than five minutes of my time to explain why they shouldn't feed or pet the ponies. I tell them that horses can't eat just anything, I tell them that if they get sick, they can't vomit, so they can die, and if I'm unmounted, I take a minute to pull up my pony's lips and show them just how big those teeth are!
      There are always going to be morons who ignore you and do terrible things, but with someone who's simply ignorant, you have a chance to educate them.

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      • #63
        It's not just "an awful lot of anger", it's the fact that the law considers horses an "attractive nuisance", & anyone injured by your horses, regardless of "no trespassing" signs, etc., etc., can sue the pants off you & WIN. I'd love to see how condescending & willing to teach your uninvited visitors you'd be if that happened to you.

        Would you like to lose your lifestyle &/or farm due to that??

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Bacardi1 View Post
          It's not just "an awful lot of anger", it's the fact that the law considers horses an "attractive nuisance", & anyone injured by your horses, regardless of "no trespassing" signs, etc., etc., can sue the pants off you & WIN. I'd love to see how condescending & willing to teach your uninvited visitors you'd be if that happened to you.

          Would you like to lose your lifestyle &/or farm due to that??
          I don't see where you got "condescending" from the folks willing to educate those who don't know about horses. I mean to be anything but condescending by including other people in my appreciation for horses.

          I may or may not be qualified to answer the rest of your question. I don't own a farm to lose, you see-- I'm a poor slob of a renter. As a horse owner, however, I am still liable for what happens with my horse. That's true even when he's kept at someone else's place and I'm not around to police things. I can be sued into bankruptcy just like the rest of you.

          Of course, the person with the $1.2M judgement against me is going to be a tad disappointed when they learn some stuff about squeezing blood from stones....
          The armchair saddler
          Politically Pro-Cat

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Bacardi1 View Post
            It's not just "an awful lot of anger", it's the fact that the law considers horses an "attractive nuisance", & anyone injured by your horses, regardless of "no trespassing" signs, etc., etc., can sue the pants off you & WIN. I'd love to see how condescending & willing to teach your uninvited visitors you'd be if that happened to you.

            Would you like to lose your lifestyle &/or farm due to that??
            Agree. There is quite a difference between grandparents stopping with their grandchildren and asking to see the ponies. I get that in spring when the foals come. Always more than willing to spend a little time and let someone see the mares. It is another to have a renter on your property, ignoring the rules and putting themselves and others in danger. Big difference. Some people really have no interest in being educated.

            I for one am not angry at all. I learned from my experience. To each his own, if others choose to rent a home on their horse property and it works out for them, wonderful. It was not a good experience for us. That's all.
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            • #66
              Many years ago when we first built our house and barn the neighbors kids crawled through the fence and opened the back barn doors. They must have gotten scared and ran back through the fence leaving the barn doors wide open. Thankfully the grain was locked up and while the horses trashed my barn everyone was ok. I called their parents who first told me that their children were good kids and would never do such a thing then when one of the little angels fessed up the dad said that they just wanted to pet them like the ponies on Lopez Island

              I explained to dad that they were extremely lucky that the horse I had on my property that was insured for $33k didn't get into the grain or get hurt or else they would have been sued. I also told him that one of my horses would eat his little angels fingers without batting an eye.......he then saw the seriousness of the situation.

              We ended up moving our barn (yes, we picked it up and moved it) up the hill away from the property line we shared with them. I think that they got the hint and we never saw the little monsters again
              RIP Sucha Smooth Whiskey
              May 17,2004 - March 29, 2010
              RIP San Lena Peppy
              May 3, 1991 - March 11, 2010

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              • #67
                What mvp said in all of her posts.

                OP, your renter sounds dumb but fixable. If they pay on time, get your panties unwadded, clarify the leaving animals alone part, and move on.
                I tolerate all kinds of animal idiosyncrasies.
                I've found that I don't tolerate people idiosyncrasies as well. - Casey09

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Lori B View Post
                  What mvp said in all of her posts.

                  OP, your renter sounds dumb but fixable. If they pay on time, get your panties unwadded, clarify the leaving animals alone part, and move on.
                  Yeah, don't look a gift big, proud-- even stupid-- man in the mouth.

                  If he felt all good about himself when he was helping out with watering the horses, think how great he'll feel when digging the 4' deep post hole.
                  The armchair saddler
                  Politically Pro-Cat

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Trixie View Post
                    I absolutely do have a problem with it. Not so much if it's supervised and with permission, but you have no way of knowing WHAT or how much STRANGERS are feeding your horses, and I'm certainly not interested in another vet bill - nevermind the lawsuit if they get hurt, which could easily cause someone to lose their farm.
                    This.

                    Nothing like having well meaning neighbors feeding whole bags of carrots and apples to your horse while you're at work, and then you come home to a horse with the squirts.

                    I've had to explain to two sets of people why if I'm not there, I don't want them petting or feeding the horses. Yes, my guys are all very sweet but what's going in their belly is kind of a need to know deal. And they're still horses. If one gets it in their silly head that they aren't getting their share of the attention/goodies and runs off another, and someone gets caught in the fray it won't end well for anyone.

                    Mostly now I just don't turn them out in the front pasture which is next to the cul de sac unless I'm home. Much less tempting to climb on the fence and pet the ponies this way.
                    Owned by a Paint/TB and an OTTB.
                    RIP Scoutin' For Trouble ~ 2011 at 10
                    RIP Tasha's Last Tango ~ 2010 at ~23
                    RIP In Sha' Allah ~ 2009 too young at 5

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by summerhorse View Post
                      Here's a lawsuit waiting to happen. It's that attractive nuisance thing again. Esp if the dogs are loose back there but even if they are tied and can reach (or be reached) and they bite someone, it is your fault. Particularly if it can be proved you know one of them is not friendly. They don't even have to bite someone if one lunges or barks suddenly within biting range when some little old person is walking by and gets startled and falls and breaks their hip, guess who pays?

                      I'd contain the dogs in kennels or in the truck or get a cap.
                      To say nothing of how dangerous it is to have dogs loose in the back of a truck. I guess you've not seen one get bounced out and run over. I made sure my truck was big enough for my kid and my dogs - in the cab.

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                        #71
                        Originally posted by Lori B View Post
                        What mvp said in all of her posts.

                        OP, your renter sounds dumb but fixable. If they pay on time, get your panties unwadded, clarify the leaving animals alone part, and move on.
                        Oh, I know. I didn't rant and rave at him, I kept my composure and tried to calmly explain just why he can't be gallivanting in the barn/paddock while I'm not around. This truly was a vent, because I knew you guys would understand WHY I was so upset about it.

                        He IS a nosy, nosy man, I'll tell ya what... He called my mother at midnight because there was a 'strange truck' parked, running, in front of the barn. Um, yeah, that was me and my boyfriend 'parking' :-P Ah well, he DOES mean well, and I'm not sitting here fuming over it. It's kinda funny now.
                        It's a small world -- unless you gotta walk home.

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                        • #72
                          I know you were venting. I continue to be astonished, though, how many horsey folks can't seem to grasp that non-horsey folks in many cases are just completely uninformed. Not dangerous. Not malevolent. Just uninformed. And if you are the only horsey person they ever meet, and you hyperventilate if someone gets within 12 feet of Dobbin, they are going to form the opinion, based on a sample size of 1, that

                          1) Horse people are (wow) just so very wound up;
                          2) Horses are all lethally dangerous;
                          3) Horse people aren't very nice.

                          Then, the next time a question of land use or zoning or if daughter can take pony lessons is put before them, the answer will be, "Screw the horse people."

                          We are all ambassadors to the clueless non-horsey public. It is to OUR benefit to at least start from the assumption that small blunders are usually done out of lack of knowledge and experience, not viciousness, and to proceed accordingly.
                          I tolerate all kinds of animal idiosyncrasies.
                          I've found that I don't tolerate people idiosyncrasies as well. - Casey09

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by summerhorse View Post
                            Here's a lawsuit waiting to happen. It's that attractive nuisance thing again. Esp if the dogs are loose back there but even if they are tied and can reach (or be reached) and they bite someone, it is your fault. Particularly if it can be proved you know one of them is not friendly. They don't even have to bite someone if one lunges or barks suddenly within biting range when some little old person is walking by and gets startled and falls and breaks their hip, guess who pays?

                            I'd contain the dogs in kennels or in the truck or get a cap.
                            I know this. You know this. SO doesn't care, says people shouldn't reach into the truck. He's from a different time and place sometimes, I swear. I never have the red dog by himself, and he always behaves with me. It's with the SO that he's the Protector of the Truck.
                            COTH's official mini-donk enabler

                            "I am all for reaching out, but in some situations it needs to be done with a rolled up news paper." Alagirl

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Rhyadawn View Post
                              Next time 2 tires.... note to self.....
                              I vote for all 4......

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                              • #75
                                Then you have the interloper on your property for a much longer time. Who wants that.

                                And this!
                                We are all ambassadors to the clueless non-horsey public. It is to OUR benefit to at least start from the assumption that small blunders are usually done out of lack of knowledge and experience, not viciousness, and to proceed accordingly.

                                This is so true.

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                                • #76
                                  I think that at least half of the wound-up irate people on this thread have had experience with clueless naive people who did NOT learn, or want to learn.

                                  The other half, I'd guess, have come upon situations that seem hard to believe or condone. Horses really are unique -- big, expensive, potentially dangerous, delicate of constitution COUPLED WITH the cute/cuddly/huggable factor. People do things with horses they wouldn't dream of doing with, say, a boat or a fancy house or a motorcycle. "Let's sit in this Ferrari and take some pictures, maybe take it for a spin, because it's just sooooo nice!!!!"

                                  I am forgiving of the first strike but don't let them get to three or more. If my not-hostile explanation after Strike 1 is received with a glimmer of understanding and comprehension, or (still my beating heart) an apology or promise to comply -- that's fine. When it is met with belligerence, excuses, denials or repeated offenses? I can't and won't continue to be the ambassador for my sport, at the expense of my barn and animals.
                                  Shall I tell you what I find beautiful about you? You are at your very best when things are worst.
                                  Starman

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                                  • #77
                                    Originally posted by JoZ View Post
                                    I think that at least half of the wound-up irate people on this thread have had experience with clueless naive people who did NOT learn, or want to learn.

                                    The other half, I'd guess, have come upon situations that seem hard to believe or condone. Horses really are unique -- big, expensive, potentially dangerous, delicate of constitution COUPLED WITH the cute/cuddly/huggable factor. People do things with horses they wouldn't dream of doing with, say, a boat or a fancy house or a motorcycle. "Let's sit in this Ferrari and take some pictures, maybe take it for a spin, because it's just sooooo nice!!!!"

                                    I am forgiving of the first strike but don't let them get to three or more. If my not-hostile explanation after Strike 1 is received with a glimmer of understanding and comprehension, or (still my beating heart) an apology or promise to comply -- that's fine. When it is met with belligerence, excuses, denials or repeated offenses? I can't and won't continue to be the ambassador for my sport, at the expense of my barn and animals.
                                    Don't forget the cussing that you end with sometimes as well.

                                    Look, I'm all for helping people learn about horses that have 2 brain cells to rub together, are kind, open minded, and actually WANT to learn.

                                    All of the rude, intentionally ignorant, closed minded, self-entitled jerks can eff off. Sorry.

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                                    • #78
                                      My best experience with unwanted people in the pasture has to be the naked guy. Yes, I said naked. As related to me by my non-horse knowledgable neighbors (who were great btw)... she looked out her window around the middle of the afternoon to see an older naked man petting the horses. About 10 minutes later (as she was looking for my number) an elderly woman appeared and walked the man away.

                                      Owner of the farm removed the stump in the field just to be safe.

                                      My non-horse knowledgable neighbors always asked before feeding the ladies something and always asked how much they could feed them. I always answered and told them what order they should be fed in. And then one day this past summer, it was blistering hot, she noticed that the water tub had tip over and the horses were staring at it. So she walked out there, righted the tub, and filled it. I owed her big time for that one. After that, while in the heat wave, her and her husband would check the water levels in the afternoon for me to make sure the ladies had plenty.

                                      Then they sold their house and we got new neighbors.... but pleased to annouce that I'm happy with them too. About 2 weeks after they had moved in (we exchange numbers as new lady *knows* about horses) we got a call at 6AM that one of the horses was out. We found her standing just outside the gate wanting back in.

                                      But I always welcome people with supervision or those smart enough to listen to instructions.

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                                      • #79
                                        Originally posted by Char View Post
                                        I vote for all 4......
                                        I'd leave the tires alone and shoot out all the glass parts of the car. I'd want him to want to drive away asap.
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                                        • #80
                                          Originally posted by Mosey_2003 View Post
                                          He IS a nosy, nosy man, I'll tell ya what... He called my mother at midnight because there was a 'strange truck' parked, running, in front of the barn. Um, yeah, that was me and my boyfriend 'parking' :-P Ah well, he DOES mean well, and I'm not sitting here fuming over it. It's kinda funny now.
                                          I guess you COULD be glad he didnt just walk out to "check who was at the barn"
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