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  • Used bedding as arena footing???

    Long story short, trainer at barn I'm boarding at is trying to improve the really bad footing in our covered arena but dumping poop on the dirt. Let me backtrack and give a little history: She's subleasing the barn from the owner of the farm were in, footing is not good (slick base, very little dirt on top) -I know I should have checked it out more before I moved in... Owner does not want to put $$ or effort into arena-won't water/drag-farm on the market at the moment. Trainer and I have offered to get fill dirt/work it to no avail.
    I like the trainer, shes great with the horses but the arena....
    SOOOO my question is poop really a good answer ?? It seems kind of icky when I think about it.. WWYD? Pony is happy, other than this I like the place, the damned arena is hard/slick/terrible dusty...... God I HATE boarding! Where's my powerball winnings so I can buy my own place
    Would you move? I may be moving if it sells and she looses her lease anyway?

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    Poor idea. The bedding, poop itself, dries and gets turned into dust by horses going over the arena. Dust gets to be very fine particles which hang in the air. Then you riders and horses working in there are going to be breathing all that dust. Real hard on the lungs, unhealthy. Especially bad long term breathing it. Body just can't manage the dirt load in the lungs, which will cause problems and infections like pnuemonia in both of you, maybe heaves down the line. Wetting it down will make floor surface even MORE slippery, as the bedding and poop compost under the horses working.

    Can trainer just buy some dirt to put in there and water it down? Maybe invest in her own small drag and machine to pull it with?

    Dropping the bedding in the arena is a BAD idea.

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    • #3
      goodhors is right on all counts. Local vet built his clinic on land his parents had a boarding business. One winter, the barn doors froze and they couldn't get the manure spreader out so for 1 month, yes, 1 month, they dumped all the manure in the indoor. A very dear friend was boarding there at the time so I know this is true.

      Now, I don't know about you but there is NO REASON WHATSOEVER that a frozen barn door should stay frozen for more than a few hours let alone a month! Besides a safety issue if there was a fire, the health of the animals should certainly have been a concern.

      Do I use that vet clinic? Not on your life!
      Sue

      I'm not saying let's go kill all the stupid people...I'm just saying let's remove all the warning labels and let the problem sort itself out.

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      • #4
        Bad bad bad bad idea..

        our local ag arena does this and one reason why I dont like showing there...

        My BIGGEST issue is how compacted it seems to get after it's been ridden on..then it's like concrete..so they disk it and you get nice big chunks for the horse's to trip over.

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        • #5
          saw dust/shavings by themselves can be good.
          but manure?
          pass.

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          • #6
            UUUUGGGGGHHHHHH
            I wasn't always a Smurf
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            • #7
              Tried that in my roundpen. Slippery than snot when it got wet.

              Used to board at a place where the manure was spread in the indoor - like the others said - very dusty and made the horses cough.
              Moving on doesn't mean you forget about things. It just means you have to accept what happended and continue living.

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              • #8
                Even manure not picked up in the indoor will get dusty and make horses and riders cough. If you don't believe it, just blow your nose after you're done riding in such an arena!!!
                Sue

                I'm not saying let's go kill all the stupid people...I'm just saying let's remove all the warning labels and let the problem sort itself out.

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                • #9
                  ^^^ This. After blowing black snot out of my nose, not to mention watching black water run down the drain in the shower after a ride in the neighboring barn's indoor (they leased it out to us for $5/ride in the winter and their footing was shavings/manure) - I said…nooooooooo, thank you.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by msj View Post
                    Even manure not picked up in the indoor will get dusty and make horses and riders cough. If you don't believe it, just blow your nose after you're done riding in such an arena!!!


                    Thank you for that very correct visual example!!
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Alagirl View Post
                      saw dust/shavings by themselves can be good.
                      but manure?
                      pass.
                      I agree! The last barn I boarded at, the footing was a mixture of sand and super fine shavings (a bit bigger than sawdust), and it was lovely, but we had to pick up any manure that our horses left in the arena, no exceptions.
                      There are friends and faces that may be forgotten, but there are horses that never will be. - Andy Adams

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                      • #12
                        We just put in well composted stall waste in the arena that gets very hard when dry and icy slick when wet. It's well composted manure and shavings. It is SO much better. The idea is to fluff it up a bit and then add sand as just sand would make it too hard. It also gets watered and dragged daily.

                        If you have no other choice, I would do it. Of course you want well-aged compost, not just fresh poop. I've had no issues with dust, breathing problems, or anything.

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                        • #13
                          Seems like a really bad idea. I know footing is expensive, but money well spent for so many reasons. I use a product called "black sand" and it's the best stuff on earth. It can POUR rain and you can still ride on it with no slick spots. Only problem is that's it's not cheap! (but good stuff!)
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                          • #14
                            Terrible idea; it gets NASTY. Shavings, sure. Manure? Nope nope nope.

                            Composted manure isn't really manure, it's compost

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                            • #15
                              Hmmm, really must depend on the type of footing thats already there, because my BO spreads her stall muckings in the dressage arena and jump ring, and on the half mile exercise track, and it improves the footing.

                              Her farm is on extremely sandy soil. It gets horribly dusty even in mildly dry conditions, it is near impossible to swamp (we just had 8" of rain in 48 hours and everything is completely rideable).

                              They just dump and spread stall muckings by the bucketload on a weekly basis and somehow it just vanishes into the footing and keeps the dust down. This year with all of the rain we've had, both areas are lovely lovely turf.


                              Originally posted by msj View Post
                              Even manure not picked up in the indoor will get dusty and make horses and riders cough. If you don't believe it, just blow your nose after you're done riding in such an arena!!!
                              I boarded at a place with an indoor for years and years, no one ever picked up manure, it was pulverized and turned into floating dust and it was just horrendous.
                              Being terrible at something is the first step to being truly great at it. Struggle is the evidence of progress.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by buck22 View Post
                                Hmmm, really must depend on the type of footing thats already there, because my BO spreads her stall muckings in the dressage arena and jump ring, and on the half mile exercise track, and it improves the footing.

                                Her farm is on extremely sandy soil. It gets horribly dusty even in mildly dry conditions, it is near impossible to swamp (we just had 8" of rain in 48 hours and everything is completely rideable).

                                They just dump and spread stall muckings by the bucketload on a weekly basis and somehow it just vanishes into the footing and keeps the dust down. This year with all of the rain we've had, both areas are lovely lovely turf.
                                Maybe the difference in being used outside with weather on sandy ground and inside with less ventilation and moisture, different dirt types.

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                                • #17
                                  ^^^ oh my! thank you! I just re-read the OP, covered arena? No, I can't imagine that being a good idea either.

                                  I do agree a primary reason my BO's works out as well as it does is that its in the weather and sun helping it break down quickly.
                                  Being terrible at something is the first step to being truly great at it. Struggle is the evidence of progress.

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                                  • #18
                                    I boarded at a barn that did this when I was a kid. On my green mare, doing a fairly wide circle at the canter, she slipped on this crap and went down and landed on ME.
                                    What's wrong with you?? Your cheese done slid off its cracker?!?!

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                                    • #19
                                      Badbadbad idea.
                                      Trying a life outside of FEI tents and hotel rooms.

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                                      • #20
                                        You might try what my BO/trainer does - the clean shavings go in the indoor, banked around the wall if needed. His stalls are in the middle, so when clean shavings are needed, you take what is needed from the work way outside the stall. No bucket, wheelbarrow or other transport needed.

                                        I agree w/ Buck, outside, manure on a track makes pretty good footing.
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