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Spin-Off: Scrambling on Corners in Brenderup

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  • Spin-Off: Scrambling on Corners in Brenderup

    I was reading the other thread where 2tempe posted that she had to get rid of her Brenderup because her horse was scrambling on corners. I'm having the same issue with one of mine, and wonder if others are as well.

    My new horse scrambled several times on his first short trip- all on corners. I slowed way down (<5 mph on any turn), with hazards on, and it happened once on our second trip and once on our third trip, even when I was barely moving around a corner and had a pile of cars behind me because I was going so slow.

    He is a well traveled upper level dressage horse, has flown without issue, etc. so this was completely unexpected.

    I'm hoping to get some info...

    Has anyone else experienced this?
    Anyone have any theories on what is causing it?
    Anyone successfully modified the trailer to end the issue?
    If not, I'm wondering if there is any commonality in what sorts of trailers these horses like? I know mine hauls in a big-rig, and I was told he hauled find in a 2-horse, but have no information on what sort.


  • #2
    Huh. Have a Brenderup and never had a negative eperience. Their smooth towing (no buffetting when an on-coming semi passes) is their claim to fame. Every horse could have a scrable in any trailer--is it neessarily your set up or could it be cincidence?


    • #3
      Are you waiting till the trailer straightens out before you accelerate after the turn?


      • #4
        I'll expand...I have towed a number of horses in my B-up, and NEVER had a problem. Older horses, younger horses. All were fine and self-loaded. This mare was fine the first few times; then it started, I dont really know why. But I mean I CRAWLED around corners and into the straight away, didn't help.

        The ONLY theory I could come up with is: it started on the way to an area show (where we had been before) but the road there is very very curvy. Maybe that was unsettling. But the next time I trailered her, different direction, not a sound on the straight aways or some curves, only the corners. The mare is not a baby -9 yr old - and she is otherwise unflappable. All I knew was when she knocked the divider loose, that was just too scary for me. (though she was fine otherwise, and did not try to fly off the trailer).

        I know a couple other people who have B-ups, and they've not had a problem either.
        We don't get less brave; we get a bigger sense of self-preservation........


        • #5
          Yeah, that sounds more like the mare scared herself on the 'curvy' ride and now is doing it on her own.

          Reinforce the bolts holding the divider down so she can't knock it loose?
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          • #6
            A couple more things - I pushed submit too soon
            Once this started, it was on every corner; some not bad, some sounded pretty bad. I couldn't think of any way to modify the trailer, as she clearly felt the need to lean - thus the bow in the divider. The first ride in the slant load was in one that belonged to a friend, and the difference, at least for my horse, was amazing. I was never a big fan of slants, especially for bigger horses. This mare is not huge or long in the body, so I didn't have much to worry about there. I was sorry to see the B go, as I got 9 years of good use out of it.

            By the way, my divider had just a bottom peg that sat in a hole in the trailer floor; it was well attached to the chest bar, but she popped that sucker right out of the bottom...Twice.
            We don't get less brave; we get a bigger sense of self-preservation........


            • Original Poster

              Interesting... I definitely was not driving too quickly or accelerating before the trailer was straight on the last two drives. I was going so painfully slow that other horse trailers were backing up behind me. It's possible I wasn't being careful enough for his liking on the first ride- but not since.

              I think mine is also leaning in because there are scratches on the outside wall from his shoes, but nothing on the divider.

              All of the scrambles seem very scary. If I'm going slow enough it doesn't happen- but I am honestly going so slow it feels dangerous- i.e. 15 mph on a 35 mph road with gentle curves. Even when it doesn't happen, he looks sweaty and agitated.


              • #8
                This is obvious - you travel the horse on the driver's side of the trailer, right?
                Some horses cannot travel on the left hand side, ever. If she travels alone mostly, you could perhaps take out the divider and she could angle haul if she wants. If she travels with a partner, the heavier horse travels on the left. I have had a bad experience with these trailers, but it was not my trailer.
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                • #9
                  I work with problem horses for a living and specialize in trailer loading issues.....when people call me with trailering issues (one time appointments vs regular training), I am never suprised to hear that they have a brenderup. About a third of my trailer loading calls have been with brenderups over the 8 years I have been doing this professionally.....a pretty high percentage considering how many brands of trailers are out there. I don't know what it is about them that horses don't like, however, the general pattern that I see is a large horse and a small towing vehicle.


                  • #10
                    Can the center divider be removed? Years ago I did this in a tagalong, to the great relief of a scrambler!
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                    • #11
                      Doesn't the divider add stability in the Brednerup (i.e. you are supposed to have one)? Could be wrong...
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                      • #12
                        Most horses like to be able spread their legs to shift balance. the center board prevents them from shifting to a wider stance.
                        Some riders change their horse, they change their saddle, they change their teacher; they never change themselves.

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                        • Original Poster

                          The center divider can be removed, but I would need to order a one-piece butt bar from the company since it can't operate without one. I have no problem doing that, but I wonder how much it will really help since he will still have to be tied so he doesn't try to climb under the chest bar?

                          I'm currently scrambling to find him a spot on a big rig for this weekends show so he doesn't have to deal with the set-up that isn't working at the moment.


                          • #14
                            You need the butt bars in place, but my Brenderup came with 2 sets of butt bars: one set has both of the same size so the trailer is divided in 2 equal parts, and the second set is a longer and a shorter butt bar so it creates a wider space for one horse only, but still gives stability to the trailer.

                            My divider is a thick plastic with the metal frame on top, so horses can spread their legs all they want, assuming they are not sharing the ride with another horse and stepping on the other horses' feet.

                            I've taken several friends' horses besides my own, and never had any problem with horses loosing balance or scrambling. No problem loading them either.

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                            • #15
                              Wow, I've had my Brenderup 11 years and never had an issue. I've trailered cross country, up and down the east coast, over mountains, with my horses, new horses and friends horses. Never had a horse scramble.

                              My divider is the heavy plastic/rubber that goes 2/3's down to the floor. The bottom is left open as some horses like to spread their legs more than others.

                              Have you tried shipping your horse on the right-hand-side like suggested above?
                              Do you use any shavings? I like to use just a hand ful of clean shavings to absorb any wetness.
                              And absolutely use the butt bars, they help stabilize the divider.

                              I've had horses refuse to load in other trailers, scramble in slants and come running out of friends metal 2-horse trailers, but Never a problem with the B-Up.
                              You're entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts!


                              • #16
                                If you were travelling in a port-a-potty on wheels I'm sure you too would scramble....TO GET OUT!!!


                                • Original Poster

                                  Thanks for the insight all! I've found him a ride on a big rig for this weekend, and next week I intend to empty the trailer out and list it for sale.

                                  I'm hoping to borrow a stock and a slant in the next few weeks and see what he likes better. If all else fails, Judge Manning is going to get a lot of business next year.


                                  • #18
                                    Not very surprising -- a good friend had one and unsuprisingly, her mare hated it, my horse hated it, and every other horse we put in hated it. They couldn't see out of the dang fiberglass easter egg and spent the whole time with their heads craning around trying to see and get their bearings. It was tight and narrow and they were always much relieved and dead calm once they stepped into my steel stockside trailer. I think selling yours is the best thing you can do with one!
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                                    • #19
                                      Wow, which B-up trailer does not have windows the horses can see out from? Every model I've seen has windows by the horses' heads. I know my horses always look out the window in my B-up. I guess all the Europeans horses must be blind, otherwise they'd be craning their heads trying to look out their "easter eggs", huh?
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                                      • #20
                                        I had a scrambler (not in a Brenderup) and I found he was most comfortable if I let him travel completely loose. He would lean on the driver's side whenever I'd turn right and try to climb the wall, and if he was on the passenger side he'd completely lose it and lay down since he had no wall to climb. He bent my divider leaning so hard on it. It was pretty scary, not to mention expensive to repair the damage he did to my trailer. Loose, he'd ride sideways or backwards and was quiet as a mouse.

                                        I learned after I got him that he had been in a trailer accident before I bought him, and we always had to make sure he had an extra large stall for hauling if he couldn't be completely loose.

                                        Horses are often claustrophobic, and one small incident can magnify in their mind very quickly. They have no logic button, so one hard turn that they weren't prepared for becomes An Awful Event every time. Maybe try riding in back with the horse (if you can do it safely) and observe what is happening. I rode with him and could immediately see what was going on, and it was a quick fix.