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  • Speak to me of dumpsters...

    I have a 2 cubic yard dumpster from Waste Management. Once a week, a big noisy truck comes & provides bombproofing for the horses while removing the manure.

    I have a big Rubbermaid cart, into which I put a 50 gallon Rubbermaid trash can. If I clean twice a day, the can ends up being ~ 2/3 full each time. (I have 2 horses & 1 pony, and they are in dirt pens - no shavings.)

    I wheel the cart over next to the dumpster, then sort of lever the can up so that I can dump it.

    My right elbow is starting to give out. So I can make multiple trips to the dumpster, with smaller loads each time, or figure out some way to reduce the amount of lifting I have to do.

    If the dumpster were partially buried, I could (I think) tip the can up onto the edge of the cart and dump it without actually having to lift the full weight of the can + manure. (Give me a lever long enough...)

    And if it were partially buried, I could have a smaller ramp if I wanted to use the cart without the trash can and simply tip the cart's contents directly into the dumpster.

    Or I could do what some people do, and just fill the cart, then dump it on the ground beside the dumpster, then transfer it a forkful at a time from the ground into the dumpster. Which would be rather like having to pick up after 4 horses & 2 ponies.

    What do you do with your smallish dumpsters, those of you who have them? Some people half-bury them (leaving the brackets exposed so the truck can lift them). Some use ramps.

    Looking for some inspiration here. Thanks!
    Approved helmet: Every time; every ride.
    "When a sport gets to be predictable it ceases to be fun." - RAR's wise brother

  • #2
    How close is the dumpster to the barn?

    Could you use some of these lift tables to cart your muck cart around?

    http://www.lift-tables.net/lifttable...FQzHKgodgHikxg

    They come in all kinds, some with built in jacks, some work with air or electricity, some with chains, you may find one that could help your elbow and back.

    There are big dollies that those that deliver furniture and appliances use, that have a small platform that lifts to the back of the truck, they scoot the appliance on it, lower it with some chain gears and then wheel it into houses.

    May seem pricey, but is cheaper than elbow surgery.

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    • #3
      Perfect excuse to buy a little tractor with a front loader!

      I would call Waste Management and describe the problem. I bet they have people who design systems for different uses.

      The same thing happened here with my compost bin. It has boards that fit into a slot to make the front, and at first I could put a ramp on it and drive the wheelbarrow up it to dump. Now that it's almost full, I have to use muck buckets and heave them over the side. I can only fill them 2/3 full at most or I can't get them emptied.
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      • #4
        Found it for you:

        http://www.southern-tool.com/store/BMPLiftDollyESC.php

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          #5
          Bluey -

          I like the looks of that lift dolly thing - but I wonder how well it would maneuver in deep sand...

          I have to pick up manure from the arena - sand over quarter minus - and from the pens, which have deep sand at the bottom for drainage (and where they mostly poop).

          Gotta think about this some. Thanks!
          Approved helmet: Every time; every ride.
          "When a sport gets to be predictable it ceases to be fun." - RAR's wise brother

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          • #6
            Personally, I pick my stalls into muck buckets and have a little much bucket cart to wheel it around. I can stack two full muck buckets in the cart. I then have smaller loads to dump into the dumpster. My dumpster is bigger than yours, I think, and has side doors. However, the doors are only good for about 4 days of the week, then the dumpster gets too full, and I have to go in the top. My dumpster isn't too far from my barn, though, so the multiple trips aren't that much of a nuisance.

            I can't bury my dumpster at all because then the truck couldn't lift it... I am interested to see if anyone has any good suggestions. I like those lift tables, but I think my DH would laugh at me if I suggest them because the muck buckets aren't so bad. We do have a tractor with a front end loader, but unless I pull the tractor into the barn and pick stalls into the bucket, I don't see it being less work.


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            • #7
              Right after shoulder surgery, I was using my muck bucket cart and then dumping one handed into the lowered tractor bucket, then dumping with the bucket, that holds about 8 3/4 full muck buckets.

              The OP could make a 3' to 4' loading dock with dirt, held with railroad ties and put the dumpster against it.
              Have a long dirt ramp up to it to wheel the cart up there.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Bluey View Post
                Right after shoulder surgery, I was using my muck bucket cart and then dumping one handed into the lowered tractor bucket, then dumping with the bucket, that holds about 8 3/4 full muck buckets.
                Ah, that is a good idea to keep in mind for days when my back is bad!


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                • #9
                  Before you start digging, make sure the trucks will still be able to pick up your dumpster if it's lower. Maybe not.

                  How about a ramp? Maybe not high enough to let you dump from above, but just high enough to take the big strain off your arms?
                  Patience pays.

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                  • #10
                    I can't find a picture of what I'm looking for, but I'll try to describe it. Can you build up a ramp to the top of the dumpster? Not a flimsy plywood thing, but a solid ramp made from packed down dirt, with the rectangle for the dumpster lined with a concrete-block retaining wall?

                    Do you have an area on your property that has a natural slope, where you could excavate a space for the dumpster?
                    I realize that I'm generalizing here, but as is often the case when I generalize, I don't care. ~ Dave Barry

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                    • #11
                      There's this.

                      http://www.gemplers.com/product/1679...-2&src=25SESHP
                      I realize that I'm generalizing here, but as is often the case when I generalize, I don't care. ~ Dave Barry

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                      • #12
                        If you could build either a sturdy wooden ramp or, as as Guin suggested, maybe a solid dirt or stone type of ramp, that might be your easiest fix.

                        I've got a concrete block bunker that I used to fill and the farmer would come over and remove it, either with a front end loader or manure spreader. Farmer screwed up a couple times too many so I ended up going with a large dumpster which is cheaper overall. The original concrete block bunker had a ramp that went to ~2' in height and probably 10' long. The dumpster is 5' in height so I end up dragging muck baskets up and heaving them in. I can't use a muck bucket cart because it means going over gravel and the carts actually get stuck so I just drag them and try to NOT make them more than 1/2 full.
                        Sue

                        I'm not saying let's go kill all the stupid people...I'm just saying let's remove all the warning labels and let the problem sort itself out.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Guin View Post
                          What do you know, they already make just what you need.

                          Take that picture to your local welding shop and ask what they would charge to make you one like that one, of the height and size you want.
                          I think it will be considerably cheaper.

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                          • #14
                            I gave up and bought a little Kubota tractor. I empty the muck buckets down into the front loader, then drive the tractor over to my dumpster and empty it. When I first built my barn I developed tennis elbow from lifting and dumping the muck buckets, so had to hire help until I healed. It made more sense to me to just bite the bullet and buy a tractor since I needed to be able to do it all myself. At least my monthly payment was going toward something I would own and could use in other ways, too.

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                              #15
                              Because this is not really a farm, I don't have a lot of options regarding where to put my dumpster (so that WM can get to it) and there are not a lot of options for putting a permanent ramp next to it.

                              Really, the only place I could put a permanent ramp would be leading up to the back edge of the dumpster, which would mean having to flip the lids open onto the ramp, then push the muck cart over the lids.

                              I might be able to put that loading ramp that Bluey found (http://www.gemplers.com/product/1679...-2&src=25SESHP) on the driveway side of the dumpster (and then periodically rake the manure inside the dumpster to spread it evenly), but I'm not sure that wouldn't block too much of the driveway when I need to get my trailer out & when the hay delivery guys come.

                              In the attached photo, the blue circle shows where the dumpster is. The WM truck comes down the driveway, empties the dumpster, then backs out the driveway and somehow turns around to head north on the street to the east of the arena.

                              At one point, the dumpster was farther back, closer to the pens. But when the big rains came in July, the ground got soft and the weight of the WM truck broke some underground pipes. So we try to keep the big trucks on the firm driveway.

                              ETA: I have tractor lust. But I'm not sure our 1+ acre property justifies a tractor... :-(
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                              "When a sport gets to be predictable it ceases to be fun." - RAR's wise brother

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                              • #16
                                Waste Management

                                I don't know if Waste Management Co is in your area but saw on one of their commercials a "fabric" dumpster that I thought would be ideal for a farm. It looked like a giant BJ's Wholesale Club bag that gets lifted into the garbage truck.

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                                • #17
                                  We used to have an Iveco flatbed with a flyswatter lift gate and it saw a lot of use around the home as an elevating platform/giant ladder.
                                  I'm not really suggesting you run out and buy one though.

                                  They make liftgates for pickup trucks but really you might be better off with an FEL, or perhaps you could put a ramp up to your pickup bed, roll the wheelbarrow up into it and then back the truck up to the dumpster and get a little height from there to make it easier.
                                  If you have the dumpster on paved ground they do have wheels and can be turned around to face Bluey's ramp to avoid having to try to get over the lids. Not easy to roll but it can be done, and I'm not positive but I think they can be lifted by the garbage truck from either side, or you could put the ramp off to one side and shove the dumpster in front of it sideways, then shove it back to the truck access on trash day. I don't know enough about how much room you have from the photo to be sure any of this will work, but good luck anyway.
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                                  Incredible Invisible

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by ReSomething View Post
                                    We used to have an Iveco flatbed with a flyswatter lift gate and it saw a lot of use around the home as an elevating platform/giant ladder.
                                    I'm not really suggesting you run out and buy one though.

                                    They make liftgates for pickup trucks but really you might be better off with an FEL, or perhaps you could put a ramp up to your pickup bed, roll the wheelbarrow up into it and then back the truck up to the dumpster and get a little height from there to make it easier.
                                    If you have the dumpster on paved ground they do have wheels and can be turned around to face Bluey's ramp to avoid having to try to get over the lids. Not easy to roll but it can be done, and I'm not positive but I think they can be lifted by the garbage truck from either side, or you could put the ramp off to one side and shove the dumpster in front of it sideways, then shove it back to the truck access on trash day. I don't know enough about how much room you have from the photo to be sure any of this will work, but good luck anyway.
                                    First, I didn't find that neat ramp picture, Guin did that.

                                    Several good ideas there.
                                    The dumpster we have is not very large and the truck tends to leave it crooked.
                                    I have a regular steel T post I use to leverage below the place the truck hooks to it to turn it back into place.
                                    I know even full, I can scoot it around easily given a fulcrum, so the ideas of turning it around for the truck day are doable.

                                    I would call the Waste Management company, as they may have some solutions for you we may not have thought about.

                                    I still think even a little bitty tractor with any size bucket would be so much help with all you do, not only handling manure.
                                    I you get one, you will wonder why it took so long.

                                    Whatever you do, quit irritating your elbow, that wear and tear may become a permanent injury.

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                                      #19
                                      Rotation of the dumpster by hand is not an option. Been there, tried that. Failed. With it empty, Mr. RAR & I together were unable to shift it. We finally hooked it to the pickup & towed it. Although that might have been the 3-cubic yard dumpster - bigger than the one we have now. Still, no way I could rotate it by myself.

                                      It's on a gravel/hardpack driveway, not a paved surface. The wheels tend to sink in just a bit. Even when they don't, I can't budge it. (Except *cugh* if I happen to, um, "nudge" it with the pickup... *cough*)

                                      I'm trying to picture what would happen if the dumpster were placed so that the truck picked it up from the back (so I could have a ramp of some kind leading up to the front). As it stands, the driver often doesn't fully empty it out (resulting in many kvetching phone calls on my part to WM customer service). I think having it lifted backwards might make that even worse, because the lids would be in the way of the dumping.

                                      I have seen ads for the bag-type dumpsters - I believe those are designed for one-shot disposal of a bunch of stuff, not routine service. Plus I think it would greatly increase my fly issues, because the manure would be exposed.

                                      Regarding using the pickup - it would certainly be easier to dump from the pickup into the dumpster, but I'd still somehow have to get the manure lifted into whatever receptacle was sitting in the back of the pickup.

                                      Someone on FB suggested using a conveyor belt. (Not quite sure what the reasoning was ;-) Perhaps I could train the horses to poop on the conveyor belt...
                                      Approved helmet: Every time; every ride.
                                      "When a sport gets to be predictable it ceases to be fun." - RAR's wise brother

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                                      • #20
                                        [quote=Guin;5735166]There's this.

                                        http://www.gemplers.com/product/1679...-2&src=25SESHP[/quote

                                        Great Idea!!
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