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Cross Ties--Which End Where?

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  • Cross Ties--Which End Where?

    On cross ties with a panic snap on one end and a bull snap on the other, which end is supposed to hook to the halter? Ive seen people do it both ways. I have mine hung with the panic snap at the wall and the bull snap on the other end. Am I wrong?

  • #2
    I can't reach the end on the wall, so I put my panic snap on the horse so I can reach it easily. But if your taller, it should be on the wall so that you can release the horse without being practically underneath him.

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    • #3
      If I have a horse that I'm not sure of, or one that is prone to panic, I always attach twine to a cross tie at the halter with a snap. They freak, the twine breaks, better than my cross tie breaking.

      I also never use bungee ties...they recoil if they release and can cause serious damage to horse and human.

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      • #4
        I always keep the panic snap at the wall whether it be in the cross ties or in the trailer. I want to be able to release the panic snap and at least try to keep myself safe. Have you ever tried to free a panicking, scrambling horse at the halter? I have in my younger, more stupid days, when I used to think that helmets were optional!
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        • #5
          Another eternal question with no consensus.

          Do it however you like. Personally I loathe both bull snaps and those easy-release snaps, but since that is what is available, I prefer the quick-release one to be up on the wall, away from the horse so I can get to it without getting too close to a panicky/stuck animal.

          Keebler will break twine like it's . . . string when he's bored on the cross ties, so that's a no-go. I do like the bungee ones since they give a little. Mine are all in leather halters, which are going to break long before the bungee/snaps do in most cases.

          Remember that you really can't be 100% safe, and although we all need to do the best we can, it's very common for one person's favorite setup to give another person the horrors.
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          • #6
            What would you prefer?

            Having to reach up to a panicking horse's head past his scrambling hooves to undo him?

            Or reaching to the wall and unsnapping him easily so he runs off with 8' of nylon webbing and a heavy snap on the end dangling around his legs on the concrete aisleway?

            Personally, I prefer neither!

            A better design is to have solid brass (breaks easier than steel etc) trigger snaps (easier to attach/unattach on a day to day basis than quick releases or bull snaps which both need 2 hands) on both ends of a cotton rope (breakable) ideally attached to half a thickness of baling twine (new baling twine is stronger than you think!) at the halter end of the cross tie.

            Or velcro cross ties
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            • #7
              Panic snap at the wall... I also use bailing twine for quick breakaway.

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              • #8
                Panic snap on wall.
                Have you ever tried to reach for a horses head when they are freaking out? Impossible!
                Glad someone made a tread about this. It is one of my biggest peeves!
                I always leave the throat latch of the halter undone while crosstied in the event of panic. The halter just pulls over the ears and the horse wanders off unscathed. wouldnt recommend that for a Smart A** horse who learns he can pull out though!
                Hay twine and zip ties work well to connect cross ties to the walls.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by emcfarling1 View Post
                  Panic snap on wall.
                  Have you ever tried to reach for a horses head when they are freaking out? Impossible!
                  Glad someone made a tread about this. It is one of my biggest peeves!
                  I always leave the throat latch of the halter undone while crosstied in the event of panic. The halter just pulls over the ears and the horse wanders off unscathed. wouldnt recommend that for a Smart A** horse who learns he can pull out though!
                  Hay twine and zip ties work well to connect cross ties to the walls.
                  I have seen an undone throatlatch cause irreparable damage to an eye when a horse pulled back....
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                  • #10
                    I agree with most, quick release on the wall. My guys are big WBs and I am vertically challenged, not to mention I do not want to be near big hooves when horsey is freaking out. ALL my guys also wear leather all the time, they often give before I can get the release snaps apart anyway. Thankfully it is not an issue I have to deal very often!
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by cutter99 View Post
                      I always keep the panic snap at the wall whether it be in the cross ties or in the trailer. I want to be able to release the panic snap and at least try to keep myself safe. Have you ever tried to free a panicking, scrambling horse at the halter? I have in my younger, more stupid days, when I used to think that helmets were optional!
                      This I also use the safety ties with the velcro that pull apart. You can adjust how easily they come apart and no broken cross ties, about 6 inches of cross tie left on horse to recapture them with and no trailing cross tie to chase them or wrap around legs. Just hope your horse doesn't figure out that they do come apart

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Xanthoria View Post
                        quick releases or bull snaps which both need 2 hands
                        Quick release/panic snaps do not require two hands. I can easily work a bull snap with one hand.

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                        • #13
                          I absolutely HATE the bull snaps, so I attache the bull snap to the ring on the wall with a single piece of twine so it will break easily, and the panic snap to the halter.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by mroades View Post
                            I have seen an undone throatlatch cause irreparable damage to an eye when a horse pulled back....
                            My BM hooks the undone end of the throatlatch to the ring on the same side so it's not loose.
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                            • #15
                              I bought the Blocker rings and snapped those to each cross tie ring. Conundrum solved.
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                              • #16
                                You stay safer if you release the wall end.
                                However, your horse is then free to swing around a lethal weapon.

                                On the other hand - don't crosstie.
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                                • #17
                                  Ive seen it both ways, but it you are tall enough to easily reach where its mounted on the wall, put it there.

                                  Everyone always says "I have a leather halter, it will break before (insert horsie thing here)". thats never been my experience. The metal on the halter (usually the throat snap), or the lead line snap, or the cross tie snap breaks first.

                                  Also, I hate bungee snaps. They are scary as hell when they break. Think about it. You're trying to release the cross tie when it snaps and the metal pieces come flying back at your head at a high speed.

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                                  • #18
                                    I've heard people argue that panic snaps don't release by themselves, but in my experience, they do. Have seen them opened by pulling horses numerous times, sometimes not even pulling very hard, so I always put the panic snaps on the halter side.
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                                    • #19
                                      I use nylon halters with leather crowns or leather breakaway tabs. IME, those always break before the twine between the crosstie and the wall. In which case, which end of the crosstie you snap where is irrelevant.

                                      Now I have blocker tie rings and 10' lead ropes for crosstying. LOVE it. When my horse panicked and ran back, she was able to pull enough slack to calm down. All I had to do was have her come forward a few steps and pull the slack back out of the leads.
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                                      • #20
                                        I don't cross tie if I think they will panic. If I'm training a horse to cross tie, I use twine attached to a snap from the end of the cross tie to the halter. And I keep a lead rope on and in my hand in case of panic.

                                        I never use bungee cross ties. My boarder used to be a vet tech and saw the results of a panicked horse and a bungee cross tie. Not pretty. We have a couple sets, got them really cheap when we first moved here, but I don't use them. Which reminds me, they need to go the the used tack shop.

                                        I attach the panic end to the halter.

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