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    with parents.

    Apparently this is a big issue with some of the members of this board.

    If you have a horse for sale, do you tell your customers they must keep their kids in the vehicles or not bring them? How many customers do you think you've lost? I know that if I'm buying a horse, it's going to be around most of the members of my family....so I might show up with husband, kids and myself to look at that horse. If you tell me my kids aren't welcome.....you've just lost a sale. In the market today, can you afford that?

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    The big issue is the liability of people who bring their kids, and then let the kids run wild through the barn, or let them do dangerous things at your farm. The problem isn't bringing the kids or the dogs or the visitors, but what happens when they show up without telling you. And then there is the factor of liability because someone things it's a pony ride for everyone involved.

    I'd rather lose a sale than lose the farm to a lawsuit.
    You can't fix stupid-Ron White

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    • #3
      I've never heard of anyone banning all children from the property, all of the time. Visiting kids can, at times, be tricky. Most parents are very good about watching their kids to make sure that the kids aren't creating a danger to themselves or others or harming property. Their are instances, though, where the situation goes into total and complete chaos because the parents aren't making any effort to supervise. That, in my experience, is when the lawsuit paranoia strikes.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Casey09 View Post
        I've never heard of anyone banning all children from the property, all of the time. Visiting kids can, at times, be tricky. Most parents are very good about watching their kids to make sure that the kids aren't creating a danger to themselves or others or harming property. Their are instances, though, where the situation goes into total and complete chaos because the parents aren't making any effort to supervise. That, in my experience, is when the lawsuit paranoia strikes.
        I had not heard of it either, but my kids are young men & women now so maybe things are different. It was presented twice in this new category that kids had to be kept in YOUR vehicle or not brought at all which is very similar to some off topic threads I've read, so I was just curious. As I mentioned in a different thread, when my kids were small they went with me for the most part and that also meant to farms if we were looking at studs or to buy a horse or look at some other piece of equipment or product for sale. It never occurred to me that I would be asked to leave if I had them with me. Of course, I never just showed up either, the seller always knew I was coming so maybe that makes a difference.

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        • #5
          Honestly, I think its kinda rude to bring the whole family. I mean, if its a local thing, leave the kids at home unless they are planning on trying out the horse. If you are traveling overnight, I can understand bringing the kids, but you need to tell the seller you are bringing the whole family.

          When I was horse shopping and traveling overnight to see horses, I brought my two dogs. They stayed in the car. Most people were nice and would offer to let them get out and take a potty break, but I never asked if they could get out. One farm offered to let me put them in a stall.

          If you have to bring the kids, make sure they behave, stay near you, or stay in the car. No wandering around petting all the horses, being loud, complaining, etc.

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          • #6
            The only issue with kids my barn's ever faced was when a small group of them just wandered into the barn one summer day. They were from right down the road. They literally walked right up the driveway and into the barn... didn't ask if the owner was there (she was, thank god) or if they could come in and see the horses. I was walking around and there was just suddenly 3 or 4 strange kids in the barn. Luckily, I think my trainer (the owner) knew atleast one of them, the one that actually lived down the road, and allowed them to stay. They just wanted to look at the horses. I thought it was not only pretty awkward, but very rude of them to just stride in like that. The barn is not you're own neighborhood petting zoo. It's a riding facility that houses some very nice show horses and a place where people come to really work and learn. We are not around for kids' personal entertainment.

            -end rant-

            Sorry. It's real pet peeve of mine when parents allow their kids to treat the barn like a zoo. Especially when they have one kid there for lessons and rest just wander around gawking at the horses and trying to pet/poke at all of them.

            Kids are totally allowed on the property though... for anything. My trainer's never told anyone specifically to not bring their kids. Is that common somewhere or with a certain discipline? I've never heard of it either.
            Tru : April 14, 1996 - March 14, 2011
            Thank you for everything boy.


            Better View.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by PiaffePlease View Post
              Honestly, I think its kinda rude to bring the whole family. I mean, if its a local thing, leave the kids at home unless they are planning on trying out the horse. If you are traveling overnight, I can understand bringing the kids, but you need to tell the seller you are bringing the whole family.

              If you have to bring the kids, make sure they behave, stay near you, or stay in the car. No wandering around petting all the horses, being loud, complaining, etc.
              Really, rude? I guess if you showed up with toddler triplets, maybe. But rude to show up with kids? I have a 9 & 13 year old and if I had to bring them (which I probably wouldn't choose to do), I can't imagine the seller thinking that is rude. Of course my kids would probably just stand there and watch without saying a word...but still. Rude would have never occurred to me.

              Naturally - the last paragraph must apply (except the stay in the car part). No wandering, petting, etc.

              I brought my kids last year when my boarder went to a rescue to try a horse. They were the ones showing my kids the horses and letting them pet them.

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              • #8
                I sometimes bring my DD to the barn but only if there's an 'extra' person to take care of her. I would never do that to some unknown person though.

                I would always let someone know ahead of time, too.

                If my kids were older and well-behaved, sure. But even the most well-behaved child is a distraction. And if I were looking for a new horse, I'd want zero distrations.

                I'd want hubby there to videotape, not be keeping track of my DD.

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                • #9
                  How about people who bring their adorable running-about 2 1/2 year old to a show? And let him run about in and out of the warm-up ring completely unsupervised. And then shout at me for grabbing their kid from under the legs of my pony, at her first show with a young rider. I know, I hurt her precious snowflake's tiny feelings by grabbing him by the arm and whisking him up high and fast out of the way. OTOH, both her kid and mine could have been badly killed. Hers especially.

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                  • #10
                    Things tend to be a lot more relaxed out here....I don't mind kids IF the parents have some control of them...if they don't then I put on my "boss mare" look and suggest that the kids could perhaps be better controlled. I will talk with kids directly too and explain why some things are important... not yelling and running around and running up to mares with foals etc. I find that in most cases the kids understand quickly and are well behaved once the need is explained. I also have some seating where I can and will anchor them.

                    I was unhappy about 20 years ago when I got home from work on Easter Sunday morning about 8a and checked horses (my kids had fed and done morning chores) including checking over a new baby (born about 6a) with her mom in the front little pasture (about 3 acres) and went to bed. My bedroom overlooked my driveway and I had been asleep about an hour when I heard car doors slam and kids voiced. Got up and looked out and found two adult women, two station wagons with about 10 kids unloading. Jumped into some clothes (thank goodness for scrubs) and shoes and ran down the stairs. By this time there are kids IN the pasture with mom and new foal. It wasn't the mare's first foal but the first one for me. The horse had been great with my kids and I was told by the seller that she liked kids and had never been a problem with them with her previous foals but still..... I came pretty well uncorked getting the kids out of the field and then climbed into the faces of the women. Turned out one of them had passed the place on her way to church where she taught Sunday school and they thought it would be great for the kids to see the new baby. I explained that 1250 lbs of protective mother horse with hooves and teeth and four wheel drive was a potential disaster. They honestly had not thought of horses as having any weapons or of being protective toward their babies. Got the mare haltered and brought her over and let them get introduced (she was indeed great with kids) and then got hold of her foal and let them take turns, one at a time, touching her...baby got mom's great attitude right off the bat and was curious and not the least bit upset at being held and petted.

                    Current property is signed with "at your own risk" type signage. State legislature just passed a limited liability law for this state (one of the last to not have such a law) so as soon as the wording for signs for compliance with the new law is available the signs will be changed to meet those requirements. I'm here almost all the time (usually go to town about one day a week now....fuel costs!) and if I don't want anyone in I just go and close the gates.
                    Colored Cowhorse Ranch
                    www.coloredcowhorseranch.com
                    Northern NV

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                    • #11
                      I absolutely hate it when people bring their kids to the farm.
                      I've had more to not supervise their children than I've had those who do supervise.
                      What is wrong with people??

                      I've corrected the kids myself when their parent doesn't and on three occasions I've told the people to leave when their children wouldn't listen to me and the parent didn't intervene.
                      One child thought it amusing to try to spook the horses by reaching out a hand as offering a treat and then snatching their hand up in the horses face when it reached for the offered "treat".
                      Another thought it fun to beat on a coop that a little bantam hen was setting in.
                      Another wanted to kick the cat everytime she passed by.
                      Were the parents offended when I told them they needed to go? Yeah but that's tough. Make your kid behave or I expect you'll be asked to leave lots of places before it's all over.

                      My husband's family has get togethers a coupld of times a year and they "thought" I was going to take a turn having it here.....NOT. They bring about thirty children with them and said the children would LOVE being here with all the animals. I know darn well they thought they'd bring 'em and turn 'em loose.
                      When asked why I said no I told them I had way too many things that could kick, bite, scratch.
                      You know why cowboys don't like Appaloosas?" - Answer: Because to train a horse, you have to be smarter than it is.

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                      • #12
                        This thread is making me shake my head. My kids are older now - youngest is 12 - and it would never have occured to me not to bring them. However they were taught from the beginning how to act around animals of all kinds. They would never run, shout, hit or tease any living creature. Luckily they never thought to do it because I would have had to kill them.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by lcw579 View Post
                          This thread is making me shake my head. My kids are older now - youngest is 12 - and it would never have occured to me not to bring them. However they were taught from the beginning how to act around animals of all kinds. They would never run, shout, hit or tease any living creature. Luckily they never thought to do it because I would have had to kill them.
                          My two are fifty years old and thirty four years old. They knew better than to do those things, too.
                          It's weird to me how some (note I said some) parents today either ignore this type of behavior or actually think it's cute and funny. One of the ones that was asked to leave was beaming (before asked to leave) and proudly announced "she's not afraid of ANYTHING."
                          They won't but if they ever came back they'd both better be afraid of me!
                          You know why cowboys don't like Appaloosas?" - Answer: Because to train a horse, you have to be smarter than it is.

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                          • #14
                            I guess I'm a not a nice person but I really dislike people thinking because we have a farm we are a petting zoo or enjoy taking what little spare time to entertain someone else, because Little Susie or Joey would just love to come "see" your horses, goats, dogs, cats, birds, etc. Usually it's not just "see" the animals then it's can they brush this horse or just sit on that one, oh cant they get a pony ride, can they feed the birds, play in the hayshed, etc. No, no & no, I'm not insured to be a petting zoo & I really don't want to lose our farm because someone got hurt. Both my husband & I work full time then as anyone knows who has a farm there's always something that needs done. And yes when we do have spare time we like to enjoy our animals not entertain other people. I sometimes feel guilty about this but I need to do what's in the best interest of our animals & ourselves. My husband's coworkers even suggested having their work picnic at our place, I was like "WHAT?!", really our animals are not for the publics entertainment, sorry to be this way but it is.

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                            • #15
                              I dislike kids in general, but if the parents had a legitimate reason for coming to the property and had been invited (looking at horse or CL item for sale, etc.), I would not say anything about accompanying kids. If the carload of unannounced "want to see the cute horse" folks described above showed up, I'd definitely have told them to leave. The place is not a public park nor a petting zoo. But I do realize that sometimes, folk who are legitimately coming out to the farm might have their kids with them.

                              HOWEVER, if those kids got obnoxious or out of control, I would promptly ask parents to collect them and leave, and I would not care if that cost me a sale. If my definition of out of control did not match that of the parents, we would still be using my definition as long as we were on my property, and I'd tell them that.

                              I agree, kids nowadays are worse behaved in public as a general rule than was formerly the case.

                              I never acted up in public. My brothers tried it a time or two just to test whether Mom would follow through, but the rules were known in advance. There are appropriate times to frisk, run, and play, and inappropriate times. You may behave appropriately for the place you are at, or you may be spanked and then behave appropriately. Appropriate behavior (explained in advance and repeated back by the kid; there was no confusion about expectations) is not optional, but you got to choose whether you wanted to practice it with or without getting spanked. Easy choice, and even my brothers figured it out rapidly.

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                              • #16
                                I'm with most of you. If I advertised the horse as a kid's horse by all means bring the kids. If I don't advertise it as a kid's horse I would like to see older children, since I actually had a mare that liked to chew and stomp on kids. When the station wagon pulls in and all the kids pile out to see an advanced riding horse I would stop them at the car and say better luck next time. I don't like children at all other than my own. DD's friends are VERY rarely invited out to the barn with me and the select few that are get a lesson with my trainer. I don't own any horses and I highly respect my barn. I really really don't want to lose my privileges by pissing off the BO or the trainer for an ill mannered heathen that thinks it's okay to hurt an animal. My barn does birthday parties but that doesn't make it a day care or a petting zoo.
                                Adoring fan of A Fine Romance
                                Originally Posted by alicen:
                                What serious breeder would think that a horse at that performance level is push button? Even so, that's still a lot of buttons to push.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by JanM View Post
                                  I'd rather lose a sale than lose the farm to a lawsuit.
                                  This.

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                                  • #18
                                    I've been burned on a couple of occasions -- trying to talk to the parent/adult while children are running up and down aisles, annoying the dogs/cats/horses, opening doors and gates, etc.

                                    My barn is not even as public as a boarding barn -- three of us lease barn and pastures. We are adults, not even young adults (sigh), and do not have everything "child-proofed". I see no reason that we should. I'm not implying that our animals are dangerous, or that there is broken glass or arsenic lying about. But a little someone could reach up to a shelf and pull down something heavy. Or trip over something I've left in the aisle. Or slip on hay on the concrete aisle, or fall in the mud outside. None of which would happen if the child were under the adult's control -- or had the manners to behave without control.

                                    I sold my Appy to a family who brought their SIX. LITTLE. GIRLS to our farm. The oldest was 13. I was dreading it, but they were absolutely wonderful. Polite and QUIET. And ya know what? They were rewarded because the animals LOVED them. When the loud screaming running children come through the barn, the horses are pressed against the back wall and the cats are nowhere to be found -- but I got to see some really sweet interactions with the lovely, quiet young ladies.
                                    Shall I tell you what I find beautiful about you? You are at your very best when things are worst.
                                    Starman

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                                    • #19
                                      I saw a great sign at a winery this weekend;

                                      Unsupervised children will be given sugar and a puppy

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by atlatl View Post
                                        I saw a great sign at a winery this weekend;

                                        Unsupervised children will be given sugar and a puppy

                                        Unsupervised children will be sold

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