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    #21
    Originally posted by deltawave View Post
    Would a big herding/guarding dog deter hawks?
    I think it would but it would literally have to stay around the chickens all day I'd think. I know some of the larger pasture based farms like Polyface Farm use livestock guardian dogs in their chicken pens but I just had not gotten to the point I felt I needed one.

    I found this great horned owl decoy that has a movable head and looks very realistic. How cool is this? Now will it terrify my poor dumb little hens too?

    http://www.gemplers.com/product/G735...ating-Head-Owl

    Bluey...I've seen hawks take snakes around here too. They are more than welcome to them!

    Zarafia...thanks for the informative post. I don't really resent the hawk for being a hawk but it's hard to loose a hen that you've raised for 5.5 months to the verge of laying (finally) and then watch her being eaten. I was pretty frustrated when I made the comment about killing it..which of course I would not...but I do hope he can be stopped from coming back. I simply can't afford to lose chickens like this.

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    • #22
      We've found that the only thing that will prevent hawk predation is netting or fishing line strung across the pen. Once that hawk finds the easy pickins' of your flock, he'll be back. Don't shoot, though (as stated, it is illegal), try to find a way to protect your birds first.

      I have no idea how goats would protect a flock...might just be "dog sized" enough to deter the hawk, instead.

      I'd love to see a dog who wouldn't attack a flock of hens! That is what has taken more of our hens over the years than anything else..raccoons a close second, and a weasel once...that was bizarre to see, let me tell you!
      Proud member of the "Don't rush to kill wildlife" clique!

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      • #23
        I can't figure out how the goats work either. I tried to google it, but didn't find much other than hawks usually seem to avoid anywhere with larger animals walking around.
        Then I tried looking up 'guard goats' and all I saw were videos of people getting attacked by goats.
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        • #24
          Originally posted by Daydream Believer View Post
          I think it would but it would literally have to stay around the chickens all day I'd think. I know some of the larger pasture based farms like Polyface Farm use livestock guardian dogs in their chicken pens but I just had not gotten to the point I felt I needed one.

          I found this great horned owl decoy that has a movable head and looks very realistic. How cool is this? Now will it terrify my poor dumb little hens too?

          http://www.gemplers.com/product/G735...ating-Head-Owl

          Bluey...I've seen hawks take snakes around here too. They are more than welcome to them!

          Zarafia...thanks for the informative post. I don't really resent the hawk for being a hawk but it's hard to loose a hen that you've raised for 5.5 months to the verge of laying (finally) and then watch her being eaten. I was pretty frustrated when I made the comment about killing it..which of course I would not...but I do hope he can be stopped from coming back. I simply can't afford to lose chickens like this.


          That owl might work great. Every Rt I've ever had was TERRIFIED of GHOs. The chickens would probably get used to it, being around it all the time. The hawk would come in, scout things out and see the owl. Just might work like a charm.
          And I do know how you feel. I had a great flock of hens that I kept around my barn. They were very bright and I had one that was my pet, Combover (she had an interesting hairstyle LOL).
          But all of a sudden, when I would get home from school there would be a hen missing. It wasn't until I saw my pet Combover in the jaws of my neighbors free running dog that I figured out what was happening.
          I was so upset that I grabbed the gun before the dog got off my farm. It took all my will not to shoot him dead, but I spared him. He was just being a dog. It was his owners who were at fault. And you can believe that I presented them with a serious letter about their dog killing my pet! It worked (too late for my hens) and those neighbors fixed their free running dog problem.
          I miss my silly Combover .
          "Reason is, and ought to be, the slave of passions." David Hume

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            #25
            Zarafia,

            I'm sorry about Combover...she sounded like a nice hen. It's funny how attached you get to the silly things. This hen did not have a name..she is one of 20 (now 19) Welsummers I raised from chicks last October. I can't tell them apart. Of course she was one of my biggest and nicest ones.

            I found another owl decoy that is solar powered and it's head moves every 2 minutes. Amazon has it too. I'm ordering tonight before I turn in. Hopefully that will buy me time to get some netting as a backup.

            Calvincrowe,

            If you look hard at this pic and see the white specs inside that poultry netting, those were the livestock guardian dogs at Polyface Farm. This is a pic I took when I visited in 2009.

            http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...m/P6060070.jpg

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            • #26
              I'd love to see a dog who wouldn't attack a flock of hens!
              My labrador sleeps with them, right outside the coop, in their pen at night. She is THE gentlest dog on earth. But stilll dog enough to deter other varmints, even though she'd sooner cuddle them than hurt them! The simple fact that she's a dog works to scare off foxes and raccoons, etc. If they did come visit I'm not sure she'd do anything but wag her tail, but THEY don't know that!
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              • #27
                Originally posted by Daydream Believer View Post
                Zarafia,

                I'm sorry about Combover...she sounded like a nice hen. It's funny how attached you get to the silly things. This hen did not have a name..she is one of 20 (now 19) Welsummers I raised from chicks last October. I can't tell them apart. Of course she was one of my biggest and nicest ones.

                I found another owl decoy that is solar powered and it's head moves every 2 minutes. Amazon has it too. I'm ordering tonight before I turn in. Hopefully that will buy me time to get some netting as a backup.

                Calvincrowe,

                If you look hard at this pic and see the white specs inside that poultry netting, those were the livestock guardian dogs at Polyface Farm. This is a pic I took when I visited in 2009.

                http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...m/P6060070.jpg
                Thanks Daydream. Combover was extremely tame (and horny LOL) She would scramble right up to me and solicit me till I petted her back. She was cool.
                "Reason is, and ought to be, the slave of passions." David Hume

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by deltawave View Post
                  My labrador sleeps with them, right outside the coop, in their pen at night. She is THE gentlest dog on earth. But stilll dog enough to deter other varmints, even though she'd sooner cuddle them than hurt them! The simple fact that she's a dog works to scare off foxes and raccoons, etc. If they did come visit I'm not sure she'd do anything but wag her tail, but THEY don't know that!
                  We also had a black lab that at night five ducks went in her big dog house and slept with her all night long one summer.

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                  • #29
                    We used to have an outside rabbit as a pet. It was in a large 12x12 pen (4 feet high). He was in there for years without a problem. One day a hawk flew down and scooped him up. After that we put chicken wire on top of the pen and that fixed it. But it looks like your pen is way too big to do that.

                    Sorry about your chicken

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                    • #30
                      We have those large movable coops for chickens on the farm. we also have hawks and two pairs of bald eagles. The hawks don't seem to bother the chickens too much but the bald eagles have been geting quite a few lately. The chickens have netting around the coops but it seems that a few always manage to get out. The coops are sometimes in a field with the dairy cows and one cow in a particular likes to hang out with the chickens. The other day a large eagle came swooping in to grab dinner and the cow charged the eagle and saved the chicken. The eagle and the cow had quite a standoff and the cow eventually won. Funniest thing ever. Those eagles are huge. The cow spent the rest of the day patroling the four coops and watching for eagles....
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                      • Original Poster

                        #31
                        What a good cow! I think I'd keep her around for sure. I recall not long ago seeing some video of some cows beating up a young black bear also.

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                          #32
                          Well Damn...I just lost another hen. I looked out an hour ago, hens were fine...out having breakfast and scratching. I just had breakfast and was headed out the door to do chores and there is Mr. Hawk having another hen for dinner. I locked the girls up in the coop and that is where they will have to stay until I get this resolved. :-(

                          I ordered the owls last night and will get the netting on order this morning. I'm so frustrated I can't see straight!

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                          • #33
                            We had a hawk issue when I first moved to this farm 3 years ago. I brought my 30 chickens and 2 pet ducks with me from my previous location. After the first year here, I only had 1 rooster and 2 hens remaining from my original flock. The hawks got the rest of the chickens and both of the ducks during nesting season.

                            I can see the large hawk nest in one of the large oak trees near my covered arena. They actually would dump the inedible carcass remains out of the nest when they had the chicks in the nest, very gross to come across the feet, heads, bones and feathers raining down from the nest. I guess the chicks only liked the tender internal parts and they needed their space.

                            I have a new flock now and for whatever reason we have not had a problem with the hawks getting these. These chickens hang out around the barn and pens near the chicken house that house my mini teaser stallion and an old gelding. The horses like the chicken company and the chickens like their sloppy eating equine protectors. We close up the chickens in the large chicken house at night. They can also go into the chicken house during the day (where they lay their eggs) if they want to.

                            Good luck!
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                            • #34
                              We've had problems too - last year i lost my pet rooster and 2 hens. Not sure what got them as it was at night - I assume some other predator than a raptor.

                              This year, my crazy rooster Wiley was attacked by a Bald Eagle. Thankfully I saw it and was able to stop the attack (with the help of some crows!). Amazingly, Wiley had not a scratch on him - he had blown a lot of feathers and some of this tail feathers were missing, but he had fought for his life and I was out there in time to save him. I had run out of the house barefoot and screaming and had grabbed a book of all things as I ran out there - guess I had planned to throw it at the eagle or something lol!

                              This is what I built (not practical for a large flock). It is 12 X 24. I do let the boys out when hubby or I are out in the yard.

                              http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i2...farm/007-1.jpg

                              Here are my boys, Elvis and Wiley - they are true pets and great tick eaters lol!
                              http://s74.photobucket.com/albums/i2...arm/?start=all

                              Good luck Daydream - I know you have a great business there and hopefully the owls and netting help!

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                              • #35
                                Uh, that's awful DB. I hope the owl decoys work for you.

                                I have not had any chickens lost due to raptors yet, but I have an aggressive hawk trying to take birds (cardinals mostly) at the feeders in my front yard and I have seen it going after my neighbor's chickens.

                                My chickens free range during the day and are put up at night. The hawk probably doesn't take them because they prefer to hang out on my patio furniture, crapping all over it!!

                                The neighbor's free range their roosters, who end up in my pastures and front yard, trying to steal my hens. I taught my JRT not to chase my chickens, but I encouraged him to chase the neighbor's chickens out of my yard, and he does. He never makes a mistake and chases our chickens, but only runs the neighbor's birds. Once the birds clear the pipe fencing that separates my yard from my front pasture, my JRT stops and lets them go.

                                The other day a hawk swooped down into my open pasture and was right at the back of one of the neighbor's roos. The roo was running and screaming for all he was worth, but made it to some brush in his own backyard. The hawk then landed in the neighbor's chicken pen and all you could hear was chickens screaming. Luckily, the neighbor's were home and came out to see what was going on, so I don't think the hawk actually made off with any chickens.

                                I had some problems with a fox taking the chickens that refused to go up in the pen at night, but I took some advice from a post by MistyBlue and started letting my GSDxWolf urinate all over around the barn and chicken pen area. This seemed to stop the foxes altogether. In the last month, I have seen some large canine scat and an actual coyote in a field, but they haven't taken anything yet. This could be due to my horses though. My older TB hates anything in his pasture and will go after dogs, cats, chickens, etc.

                                Most recently I heard a big cat snarling/growling in the woods. I have been meaning to look for recordings online to see if I can tell if it's bobcat or mountain lion. It sounded BIG, but that doesn't mean anything. I'm just hoping I don't have to deal with a mountain lion in the near future.

                                Again, I hope the owl decoys work for you.
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                                • #36
                                  If you don't want a chicken to be killed by wild animals, they need to be fully-fenced and covered by netting/wire. As simple as that. It sucks, but there it is. Birds of prey are looking for a meal, and by letting domesticated poultry roam free, it is a matter of time, usually. Sorry to be a downer, but them's the facts.

                                  I'm sorry you lost another hen, it always hurts, as they are such funny little things. I do hope the owl decoy works...and it should for a little while. We used one in an arena to keep out starlings and such...which was fine 'til they figured out it wasn't real, then they just roosted on it.
                                  Proud member of the "Don't rush to kill wildlife" clique!

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                                  • #37
                                    That is too bad, to lose more chickens, but hawks are not that dumb, they know where there are easy pickings and will keep coming for more.

                                    We made our chicken yards out of regular steel posts we had welded some 2' extensions to and used 6' chicken wire tied to it.
                                    Those were narrow and long pens and on one long side, halfway, were the chicken houses the chickens went in to lay eggs in their nests, mostly during the mornings and roost in there overnight, closed in.

                                    Our problems were snakes going in there for the eggs and skunks and coons trying to get in the chicken house at night.
                                    We would hear the racket and run out there and scare them off before they broke in there.

                                    That one pen for the roosters looks like a chicken Taj-Mahal.

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                                    • #38
                                      Dreamer, sorry about your girl. That sucks.
                                      Witherby, in Ocala it was a raccoon. I have had terrible raccoon attacks on my various birds. Most recently, last year, they broke into my pigeon loft and killed half of my pigeons in one night. The next night I caught the perpetrators, two young raccoons trying to take out the rest of my flock. Worst part was that they didn't even have the decency to eat all they killed!
                                      "Reason is, and ought to be, the slave of passions." David Hume

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                                        #39
                                        Well, they don't exactly "roam free" Calvincrowe. They are confined in electric poultry netting which does protect them from ground based predators and keeps them where I want them but unfortunately it can't stop a hawk, as we all see now. I had hoped the string I put up yesterday crisscrossed across the top would deter him, but it did not. I guess it just wasn't close enough to be effective.

                                        The owls will be here in a few days and I'll either supervise the hens while they are out or confine them. Making a large pasture enclosure that is movable to house 60 hens is not something I can do overnight. Meanwhile a few days in the coop will not be harmful to them. There is plenty of room in there for them and I can even move a few out to an inside pen in another building I have available if necessary until this is resolved.

                                        I'm pricing my options on aviary netting right now and trying to work out how to use it with the system I already have...that would be my most economical choice...so we'll probably do that on top of the owls perched around as deterrents also. Hopefully the hawks will go find some rabbits to eat or something and leave my birds alone.

                                        Thanks for all the kindness and help to those who contibuted. These are first losses I've had since I've started this business other than some dogs that dug under a wall to get to my baby broilers last fall. I know losing livestock happens to all farmers and while I'm trying not to take it personally, I do feel a responsibility to the animals I own and use in our business.

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                                        • #40
                                          Good luck Daydreamer. I really hope that the owls help. It always sucks to lose animals under our care.
                                          Good on you for coming here for advice. It's always good to ask for advice/help IMO.
                                          "Reason is, and ought to be, the slave of passions." David Hume

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