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Oliver the Goat and the Dog Attack...Again

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  • Oliver the Goat and the Dog Attack...Again

    So, are goat wounds really that much different than equine wounds? Have I just been lucky before, or am unlucky now? In other words, WTF?!

    Ollie's wound looked great for a bit. Even the vet said it was healing remarkably well, but I had some concerns. Ollie just seemed...not himself. His wound just seemed a little warm, a little not right. Then the maggots showed up. This has all been posted about.

    So, now, he's been off oral antibiotics for 5 days (vet gave us a 2 week prophylactic prescription). Maggots are gone, wound looked good for a day or two. Now, though, it's all full of pus and gross. No heat or anything but it doesn't look good to me...again.

    I feel like I'm doing everything I can. I called in to the vet, he's going to stop by on his way home tonight (fortunately he lives like 1/2 mile from me and doesn't charge me a call fee), but it's so frustrating. Every time I think Ollie is doing good, things go to hell again. I love this little goat and I want him to pull through.

    The wound is like two inches wide, but it's deep and he's a small goat (8 month old Nigerian Dwarf, probably 40 pounds though that's a wild guess based on how hard it is to carry him vs. a feed sack ). I think it's such a stupid sized wound to worry about but it doesn't seem to be healing well. Am I doing something wrong? Is this just how it goes with goats? I don't seem to have had these problems with the horses I've nursed back to health, and I've seen a heck of a lot worse wounds on them even taking relative size into account.

    I'm just worried about my goat. I guess I just posted this for commiseration/any advice others have had. I've owned my goats for a bit now, but I'm not super experienced and while I'm doing a lot of research I worry I may be missing something.

    edited to add: Ollie is eating and drinking and moving around a lot on his own, so it's not like this is a life or death thing right now. I am just really worried about how easily this wound seems to get infected and the lack of effect the previous round of antibiotics seemed to have had... Ollie is good, I'm just a paranoid owner. He also seems to be breathing kind of hard more often since the attack...vet says that's just from pain but it worries me. He is not running a fever, however.
    exploring the relationship between horse and human

  • #2
    Can he be sedated and have it deep-scrubbed and stitched, so it's not open?
    I realize that I'm generalizing here, but as is often the case when I generalize, I don't care. ~ Dave Barry


    • Original Poster

      I'll have to Google that and see, maybe. Originally the wound wasn't a candidate for stitching because the first vet I had out to see it wasn't good (we only have two local vet practices, and my regular vet was out of town...the other vet was the one I went with when I first moved down here and they're the "other" vet for a reason) and by the time my vet came out it was way too late for normal stitching. Is it possible to stitch this late? Keep in mind it has been about three weeks since the original injury.

      I really like my current vet but I think sometimes we're at a detriment because we're in a poor area where many folks are subsistance farmers, and livestock are "just" livestock. I have already gone way beyond what Ollie will ever earn me financially (he was slated to be castrated, the date was 2 days after the attack, and he is "just" a companion to Bill, my registered Nigerian Dwarf buck for when he has to be separated from the ladies...but Ollie is my favorite I have to admit), and I think our local vets aren't really accepting of it. After this latest setback I'm prepared to go to a specialist vet I've heard good things about, though they're about 90 miles away. Still, I love this little guy.

      I don't mean to speak ill of my vet, he is good, I just worry he's not totally up to date about anything that isn't a typical companion animal (cats, dogs, even horses).
      exploring the relationship between horse and human


      • #4
        I have had horses with gacks like that and they take a long time to heal. Keep the flies out, let it granulate... It will fill in. As long as its not infected I think you are ok. Always good to have the vet check of course!
        "Kindness is free" ~ Eurofoal
        The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances.


        • Original Poster

          Thanks for the reassurance, EqTrainer. I've had horses who took a long time to heal, too, but it feels like one step forward, two steps back with Ollie. I keep trying to tell myself that I'm emotionally invested and am not a rational judge of things (I know I get like this with my animals) but that doesn't make it any less stressful!
          exploring the relationship between horse and human


          • Original Poster

            Also, anyone please let me know if these Ollie threads are getting annoying, especially given the lack of photos. I'm worknig on that, though! I'm just fretting about my goat and it helps to hear y'alls' perspectives.
            exploring the relationship between horse and human


            • #7
              Not annoying at all! We do love pics tho, ya know?!! Even gross ones... In fact, we like those best of all... Some of us
              "Kindness is free" ~ Eurofoal
              The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances.


              • #8
                No Way

                Ollie is never annoying. I am sorry his wound is taking so long to heal. I guess I would consider what was suggested, sedating him and seeing if it could be sutured at this point. Only a vet could tell you that. What about putting him back on some antibiotics?

                I hope Ollie gets better very soon. I think we do need a picture of the boy though.

                Best of luck.
                Quality Hunter Ponies


                • #9
                  I havent seen the other threads on this but if it's a puncture wound, doesn't it need to heal from the inside out?? That would mean flush the wound gently (daily) with a diluted solution of betadine and water and keep any scabs off the top to promote drainage.

                  No idea on the antibiotics not knowing what you have already used.


                  • #10
                    Don't worry about being annoying, especially when it comes to our animals health!
                    You are their advocate.
                    I think there are goat boards that might also be useful for you to check out...sorry, I don't know any, but people here do. Maybe someone will link a few.
                    I love my goat, and would be heartbroken if that had happened to him.

                    Keep posting and talking to your vet..squeaky wheel and all that.
                    save lives...spay/neuter/geld


                    • #11
                      Do you think hot compresses will help? Maybe microwave a plastic bottle filled with water, then wrap in towels and gently press it on the area?
                      I'm not a medical person but maybe it will be comforting.


                      • #12
                        Is there a topical antibiotic and another oral or liquid you could use? And could something like vet wrap help? Or is covering it up a bad idea? I'm sure dog saliva, shock, and dirt don't help the situation, and personally I don't like the breathing problems-it sounds more complicated than a pain this long after the attack. Maybe rinsing it out with betaline or something will help it keep cleaner and heal.
                        You can't fix stupid-Ron White


                        • #13
                          Jingles for Ollie and his owner ~

                          Healing Jingles for Ollie ~~
                          Zu Zu Bailey " IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE ! "


                          • Original Poster

                            Thanks for all the good wishes. Ollie's wound isn't a straight up puncture wound. Actually there are two wounds, one is a shallow puncture but the big one is about two inches wide and maybe 1/2 inch deep? Haven't measured the depth but it isn't strictly a puncture wound, more like a deep tear. Ironically the actual puncture is healing beautifully, it's the other wound that is causing problems.

                            He was on an oral antibiotic for two weeks after the injury. The wound has been kept clean and bandaged, and packed with raw buckwheat honey (on veterinary suggestion). It was working really well, the problems I saw were prior to packing it with honey. I think we'll be starting the oral antibiotic again, I'm still waiting for my vet to arrive. If things ran late he might stop by on his way to the clinic tomorrow AM. I'll ask about suturing when I see him.

                            The gist is he has been on antibiotics and the wound has been covered and kept clean. We were really worried about shock/contamination before. I suspect the contamination from the dog saliva was a big factor until the maggots showed up, I think they were a good thing. Ollie seems more active and alert since then. I worry though since the 2 weeks we had on oral antibiotics prior didn't seem to have much effect.

                            Ah, I'm so worried about such a little goat! I love having COTH as a resource, though, since most of my local friends are like, "It's a goat, just eat it! " Not exactly helpful for me!

                            edit: Just to specify about the camera, I broke my digital camera very recently and haven't replaced it, however that is in the works and in the meantime the only broken part is the viewfinder so for Ollie pictures I might be able to make it work. I'm trying, anyway!
                            Last edited by CosMonster; Mar. 24, 2011, 09:11 PM. Reason: clarification
                            exploring the relationship between horse and human


                            • #15
                              I'd ask for a culture to see what bacteria is growing in there. Then you can target with specific antibiotics. And I'd keep him on them until the wound was really close to being fully healed. It's not doing it any good to bounce between healthy tissue and infected tissue. The inflammation that goes along with infection delays healing. And PLEASE don't flush it with Betadine daily (or even frequently). It's great stuff used sparingly, but it's an irritant to raw tissue and can actually delay healing. If you want to treat with something besides honey (which gets a big thumbs up from my vets AND human docs), look into Lacerum or one of the other PRP wound treatments.

                              Good luck to Ollie. Goats are cool!
                              Patience pays.


                              • #16
                                You may have to flush it out with saline solution. Ask your vet if this is something to consider. Goats as young and small as him can be frustrating to treat. Just make sure you stay on top of his temperature. Fever in goats is very dangerous. Good luck, and don't think you are ever annoying us when it comes to Ollie. Lots of goat lovers and keepers here!


                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by EqTrainer View Post
                                  Not annoying at all! We do love pics tho, ya know?!! Even gross ones... In fact, we like those best of all... Some of us
                                  Yes please!
                                  Riding: The art of keeping a horse between you and the ground.


                                  • #18
                                    Usually I think the below recommendation is a bad idea for the same reason betadine is not suggested.

                                    BUT.....in this case I think I might try it for a day or two to see if it helps flush the bacteria out.

                                    I would gently insert a syringe minus the needle filled with hydrogen peroxide and let it fizz out the bacteria, then flush with saline.


                                    • #19
                                      CosMonster - I'll send you an e-mail with a treatment we use. Never used it on a goat, but it should work the same as on a horse. Non-toxic!! Non-invasive. Crosscreek/Jackie
                                      Breeders of Painted Thoroughbreds and Uniquely Painted Irish Sport Horses in Northeast Oklahoma


                                      • #20
                                        Really... Nothing caustic in it. No betadine or peroxide. Warm water, very mild saline, dont dig at it. Personally i might spray it with alushield but thats it. Would be worried about honey attracting bugs!
                                        "Kindness is free" ~ Eurofoal
                                        The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances.