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  • Mountain lions

    Here is a story on a mountain lion where they really don't expect to see them:

    http://beefmagazine.com/news/0105-fa...mountain-lion/

    Two weeks ago, in a small town NE of here, a mountain lion in the night got into the local kid's 4H barn and killed and injured every sheep they were rasing there.

    We are seeing more and more of those, because no one hunts any more and we have so many more wildlife than we used to have, a good mountain lion food supply.

    There is a black one at our neighbor's place, their 8 year old kid is being told not to go outside alone, not even walk to the barn to do anything with the horses.

    Anyway, horses, especially young ones, are a mountain lion delicacy, so be aware if there are any lions around and try to keep the horses where they will be protected.

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    We get mountain lions (cougars in TX) around here almost constantly. I have caught a couple in the paddocks over the years. They have a hunting range that can extend 150 miles so it is a bit difficult to control them. The last mountain lion I saw in my paddock was later caught by DOW almost 50 miles away and had actually traversed downtown Denver.

    I find that the horses do pretty well defending themselves and given there is easier prey for the cat (deer, rabbits, house cats, dogs, etc.), they leave the horses alone.

    Reed

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    • #3
      We have Cougars here, in fact it is hunting season for them. I see their tracks in the pastures and fields, but they haven't bothered anything other than deer and rabbits.

      If you have a black cougar in TX, it is more than likely a Jaguar, (even more rare) as Cougars don't come in black.
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      • #4
        We have a dark gray mountain lion (what I suspect to be a jaguar) on our ranch. Since I saw it I have banned any and all hunting on my property.
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        • #5
          Here in eastern Kansas we have mountain lions. They have been spotted over at the state park 5 miles from me. I've only ever seen bobcats in my rural neighborhood and that is a big enough wild cat for me.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by sickofcollege View Post
            We have a dark gray mountain lion (what I suspect to be a jaguar) on our ranch. Since I saw it I have banned any and all hunting on my property.
            Really commendable. As per the Sierra Club, the Jaguar is on the Endangered Species Act. It once roamed from the Grand Canyon to Argentina--glad to see that it may be making a comeback.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by sickofcollege View Post
              We have a dark gray mountain lion (what I suspect to be a jaguar) on our ranch. Since I saw it I have banned any and all hunting on my property.
              Good for you!
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Megaladon View Post
                Really commendable. As per the Sierra Club, the Jaguar is on the Endangered Species Act. It once roamed from the Grand Canyon to Argentina--glad to see that it may be making a comeback.


                Since he is probably 100 miles away by now, you have done nothing but offend your neighbors.

                It would be much more neighborly to call each of them who hunt and tell them that you do not want it shot and that if anyone shoots at it there will be a change in hunting permissions.

                Everything I have read states that it is not uncommon for them to have a territory 100 miles square. Not 100 square miles, as is sometimes stated in error, but 100 miles square.

                I have a rule on my farm that no fox will be shot...I have never had anyone break the rule. They would rather have the fox than to be told they can't deer hunt.

                CSSJR

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                • #9
                  Ummm, the neighbours are not necessarily offended. Perhaps they have compassion and enjoy wildlife too??
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                  • #10
                    Why on earth would a neighbor be offended to be told not to hunt on someone else's property?? Frankly, I would be offended by a neighbor feeling entitled to hunt on my property. Geez!

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                    • #11
                      Any suggestions for getting a mountain lion to LEAVE?

                      The other day I found a HUGE pile of scat next to my deck, like 2 feet from the deck, 8 feet from my front door.

                      We are on 90 acres with no dogs other then my very small one. I wasn't him, and it was full of hair, WAY to big to by a coyote or bob cat.

                      Next was marking in the back yard, (urine puddle, with scratch marks in it)

                      then the next night, we HEARD it (low rumbling). I think it is trying to eat my cats and dog which I now keep 100% inside

                      I am scared to go out at night!!

                      I have been told game wardens won't do anything!

                      Can I do anything to try to get him to go back to the thousands of acres of woods, and leave my yard alone?!?!?
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by atlatl View Post
                        Why on earth would a neighbor be offended to be told not to hunt on someone else's property?? Frankly, I would be offended by a neighbor feeling entitled to hunt on my property. Geez!
                        It appears that the poster DID allow hunting on her property. Then, when she saw a species she liked, she barred hunters from her property.

                        It's her land and her right to exclude whomever she wants, of course. But it does appear she was allowing hunting on her land.

                        If the species she encountered is on the Endangered Species List, any hunter she permitted on her land would not have interfered with the animal in any way. It would be a federal offense - and even if it wasn't, the hunter obeys the landowners wishes. Always. It's a privilege to be permitted to hunt on private land - only a moron would abuse that privilege.

                        Though I've found the people who "love" nature the most scream the loudest when Nature craps on their front lawn. Or eats their dog, cat, digs holes in the barn or pastures....
                        Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                        Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by atlatl View Post
                          Why on earth would a neighbor be offended to be told not to hunt on someone else's property?? Frankly, I would be offended by a neighbor feeling entitled to hunt on my property. Geez!
                          Think first, post later.

                          Reading the thread, one would understand that the neighbors had permission to hunt, which now has been revoked.

                          Or one has to assume that the neighbors had been trespassing on the poster's farm, which was neither stated nor suggested.

                          Nor is there any reference to neighbors feeling entitled to hunt on another's land.

                          Revoking permission with the insinuation that the neighbors can't be trusted to respects one's wishes is not the way to build friendships.

                          So I suggested a method that would make everyone feel OK.

                          It works for me.

                          CSSJR

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SLW View Post
                            Here in eastern Kansas we have mountain lions.
                            They can't be. Kansas has been mathematically and scientifically proven to be flatter than a pancake (surface roughness of greater than 0.94 with 1 being perfectly flat). You have flatlander lions.


                            As for getting a lion to leave, they will generally move on when the food supply is low. Our DOW will trap, provided you give them physical proof of the cat (e.g. scat etc). Our last one moved on after a few days. I knew this because the coyotes moved back onto the property.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by cssutton View Post
                              Since he is probably 100 miles away by now, you have done nothing but offend your neighbors.

                              It would be much more neighborly to call each of them who hunt and tell them that you do not want it shot and that if anyone shoots at it there will be a change in hunting permissions.

                              Everything I have read states that it is not uncommon for them to have a territory 100 miles square. Not 100 square miles, as is sometimes stated in error, but 100 miles square.

                              I have a rule on my farm that no fox will be shot...I have never had anyone break the rule. They would rather have the fox than to be told they can't deer hunt.

                              CSSJR
                              OK you got me, what is the difference between square miles and miles square?

                              To keep them away I've read that motion detector lights might help but really the only thing is some big old Livestock guardian dogs. Otherwise you have to sit out there with your night vision goggles and when they come around make all kinds of noises, sirens/alarms and shoot them with bean bags. Just in case you better keep a real load nearby!
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by summerhorse View Post
                                OK you got me, what is the difference between square miles and miles square?

                                To keep them away I've read that motion detector lights might help but really the only thing is some big old Livestock guardian dogs. Otherwise you have to sit out there with your night vision goggles and when they come around make all kinds of noises, sirens/alarms and shoot them with bean bags. Just in case you better keep a real load nearby!

                                10 miles by 10 miles is 100 square miles.

                                100 miles square would be a square 100 miles on all four sides.

                                CSSJR

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                                • #17
                                  Oh OK, thanks!
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Megaladon View Post
                                    Really commendable. As per the Sierra Club, the Jaguar is on the Endangered Species Act. It once roamed from the Grand Canyon to Argentina--glad to see that it may be making a comeback.
                                    I just want to clarify...I have never allowed anyone from a neighboring property to set foot on my property with the intentions of hunting. The only people who once hunted the back 200 acres were by invite only (friends, family, etc.).
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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by RAyers View Post
                                      They can't be. Kansas has been mathematically and scientifically proven to be flatter than a pancake (surface roughness of greater than 0.94 with 1 being perfectly flat). You have flatlander lions.
                                      ROTFLMAO!

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by cssutton View Post
                                        Think first, post later.

                                        Reading the thread, one would understand that the neighbors had permission to hunt, which now has been revoked.

                                        Or one has to assume that the neighbors had been trespassing on the poster's farm, which was neither stated nor suggested.

                                        Nor is there any reference to neighbors feeling entitled to hunt on another's land.

                                        Revoking permission with the insinuation that the neighbors can't be trusted to respects one's wishes is not the way to build friendships.

                                        So I suggested a method that would make everyone feel OK.

                                        It works for me.

                                        CSSJR


                                        Maybe the land owner's motivation here was to preserve prey for the cat as she enjoys knowing her property is in its current home range. Why assume that the hunting ban has anything to do with not trusting neighbors with the cat's life? Any hunter would know that the cat is off limits anyway. Why assume that anyone is offended?
                                        And as for holding the threat of banning hunting if the cat is shot.....how would the land owner know? It's not as if the offending hunter would say, "Hey Land Owner, I shot that damn cat you were so fond of. I guess no one can hunt here anymore. Bummer."
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