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  • Cinderblock stall walls

    While perusing a website with some very lovely barn construction yesterday I noticed one where the stall walls were cinderblock. I've seen this before and haven't thought much about it, quite typical in older UK barns that I've been in and certainly also in South America.

    For those of you that have cinderblock walls in your stalls, do you line them with wooden kick bars. I would have thought that cinderblock walls could be very dangerous for any horse that wasn't used to them and didn't know that they don't give?

  • #2
    Lots of barns here in FL are made of cinderblock. They stay nice and cool in the summer and they're sturdy for hurricane season. We've never had one kick through them.
    The rebel in the grey shirt

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    • #3
      My sister's mare was a stall kicker. For her to not damage the barn nor her joints my sister put up rubber mats on the walls (rubber mat>2x4>wall).

      Other than that I never seen a problem.
      Originally posted by BigMama1
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      • #4
        Any builder worth the money you are paying them will also know that they are supposed to fill the concrete blocks up to a certain point (there are codes for this) with concrete.

        A horse shouldn't be able to kick through it, since it will be solid concrete. However, if you have a stall kicker, rubber pads (heavy duty) and mats will help reduce the injury potential..
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          #5
          I wasn't thinking about the horse kicking through the walls, more the damage to their legs if they did kick it as hard as they sometimes kick the wood.

          Bit confused about the statement "Any builder worth the money you are paying them will also know that they are supposed to fill the concrete blocks up to a certain point (there are codes for this) with concrete." - I thought these were just cinderblocks that you buy off the shelf that are premade rectangular concrete blocks -no?

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          • #6
            We have partial cinderblock walls in the fronts of our stalls in our main barn. Our brick mason did fill them with concrete up to 4'. We've been at this location for 15+ years and have had a few kickers but because we have the sides and backs of the stalls oak lined, it's never been a problem. We have also employed kick chains on chronic kickers which controlled the few problems we had.

            Conversely, one of the stallions we bred many of our mares to (stallion not owned by us) completely wrecked his show career early on in life due to kicking wood stall walls. So it doesn't really matter what stall surface you have - if you have a chronic kicker, you need to take steps to control the kicking quickly.
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            • #7
              My barn is cinderblock and at first, I was very put off.

              But now, I actually like it. Very warm in winter, cooler in summer. And since we're 10 miles from the East Coast, I know the barn will withstand hurricane force winds.

              My horses aren't kickers fortunately, but if they were, I'd probably put up mats or use kicking chains.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Kate66 View Post
                Bit confused about the statement "Any builder worth the money you are paying them will also know that they are supposed to fill the concrete blocks up to a certain point (there are codes for this) with concrete." - I thought these were just cinderblocks that you buy off the shelf that are premade rectangular concrete blocks -no?
                The cinder blocks are hollow, so on those lower areas, the builder would fill the hollow portion with concrete.

                I've boarded in a cinder block barn -- and we did have issues with horses kicking them and also rubbing on them (they can take off a lot of hair rubbing butts on the rough concrete). If I were to actually buy a place with such a barn, I'd cover the walls with something more forgiving - either mats or line with wood or something. Suppose wood on concrete wouldn't be a good idea, with moisture issues, but maybe it can be done?

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                • #9
                  Kate66 is right. You can actually buy solids. Not all block is hollow

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                  • #10
                    My last barn had cinderblock stalls. My horse was on stall rest and grumpy(well, grumpier than usual). I would come in every day to pieces of concrete in his stall. After a few days of this, there was finally a hole through to the other stall. Patched it up and it was stronger. Luckily he was able to go out for short periods after that and he quit the kicking.
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                    • #11
                      Sonny gets hock rubs on cinderblock or stone walls but only in the winter. I have had to use neoprene hock boots to keep him from rubbing a small raw spot. The stall was 12 x 12 and he was only 15.2H so the stall was plenty big.
                      I have seen other horses that get rubs from cinderblock too. I would be inclined to line the walls with something.
                      Oh, well, clearly you're not thoroughly indoctrinated to COTH yet, because finger pointing and drawing conclusions are the cornerstones of this great online community. (Tidy Rabbit)

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                      • #12
                        I have worked in barns with concrete block walls and they were painted up to maybe 5' with special concrete paint, so they were gloss and slick, not rough.
                        They could also be washed down to clean and desinfect.
                        We didn't seem to have any problems at all from the walls being concrete block and they looked like new, no holes in them.

                        I still prefer portable stalls, but I see where in a severe storm of any kind, concrete blocks would stand up to much more.

                        Our neighbor built a barn and the stall walls are formed of one piece of concrete and can be moved easily with his tractor.
                        Very neat and seems to be working very well for him.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by sar2008 View Post
                          Kate66 is right. You can actually buy solids. Not all block is hollow
                          True, but as someone that used to work in the masonry industry I feel compelled to point out that if you're using concrete block for structure you should use hollow blocks with appropriate amounts of rebar and then fill them below a certain height. Otherwise, you don't really have a structural wall...

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                            #14
                            Thanks for your thoughts everyone.

                            I didn't know that the concrete blocks could also be hollow so I've learned something new. I do like the look of the concrete stalls and painting them like Bluey said, sounds like another good idea. I also had never thought about putting rubber mats on the walls, I was thinking that it would have to be lined with wood (and therefore it might be just cheaper to build with wood in the 1st place!) If I ever build another barn I will have some better knowledge now!

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                            • #15
                              Ours were painted & sealed. Very easy to clean, very nice looking.
                              The rebel in the grey shirt

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                              • #16
                                We also painted, after putting a concrete sealant on first. http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com...orse-barn.html
                                Susan N.

                                Don't get confused between my personality & my attitude. My personality is who I am, my attitude depends on who you are.

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                                • #17
                                  One barn I was in had the concrete block walls. What they did with the kicker they had was put up a board at about 4' and the hung the mats so there was a little space between the mat and the wall. When the horse kicked there was a bit more cushion and it could swing back a bit and whack him. I think I remember that he quit kicking and that they surmised that between the muffling of the noise of the kicks and it bouncing back a bit toward him it took the fun out of it for him.
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                                    Originally posted by CDE Driver View Post
                                    One barn I was in had the concrete block walls. What they did with the kicker they had was put up a board at about 4' and the hung the mats so there was a little space between the mat and the wall. When the horse kicked there was a bit more cushion and it could swing back a bit and whack him. I think I remember that he quit kicking and that they surmised that between the muffling of the noise of the kicks and it bouncing back a bit toward him it took the fun out of it for him.
                                    What a great idea!

                                    Bludejavu - looks great. Next barn I am definitely going to consider concrete.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Kate66 View Post
                                      - I thought these were just cinderblocks that you buy off the shelf that are premade rectangular concrete blocks -no?

                                      Nope. Not if you are wanting an structurally sound structure.

                                      Looks like everyone jumped in with good descriptions on this already though.

                                      For instance, due to strength requirements (heavy roof!) we just constructed a building that was filled with concrete, but also rebar inside.
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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by UrbanHennery View Post
                                        True, but as someone that used to work in the masonry industry I feel compelled to point out that if you're using concrete block for structure you should use hollow blocks with appropriate amounts of rebar and then fill them below a certain height. Otherwise, you don't really have a structural wall...


                                        Wish you were in NC..... cannot tell you how many masons I had to interview before someone knew that
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