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  • Diesels: Dodge vs. Ford

    Who out there has a Dodge 3500 or a Ford F350 Turbo? We bought a 2010 6.4 F350 and are having problems with it (and the dealer will not stand behind the truck). We are considering a Dodge.

    Please tell me about your Dodge or your F350 6.4: what you tow, the age, model, miles, any issues you've had or problems for the model.

    Much appreciated!
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    We have a 2008 F350 6.4 that has been a maintenance hog - front cover replaced twice, both turbos replaced, plus the radiator twice and needs it again. BUT, it has 203,000 miles on it, and most of that was doing heavy towing (20,000+ lbs), so our experience might not be typical. It is a much NICER truck than the Dodge.

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    • #3
      Go get a Chevy/GMC Duramax/Allison. It's a mature platform with all the issues pretty well known (particularly if you stay with an '10 or earlier.

      Ford is now on it's fourth engine in ten years; still has transmission problems (see the thread about "bucking" trannys where you have to go to cruise control to fix it; what's up with that?); and their major market advantages seem to be their laurels and Mike Rowe.

      I don't know about Dodge. The company is still not out of the financial woods. Their earlier products put a great heart (the Cummins diesel) into a Frankenstein body.

      Personally, I've no brand loyalty to GM. Their product, right here and right now, appears to be the standard of the industry. If Ford cleans up their act with their new offereing they become that standard. If Dodge survives and finally produces a consistent, quality product they may become the standard.

      But in the here and now it's GM.

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      • #4
        I really love my Dodge 3/4 ton diesel- year 2000, 145k miles. I use it to tow a steel two-horse because I used to live in CO and my old truck (Ford half ton gas engine) blew 2 cylinders hauling it up the foothills. The only problem I have is the transmission is starting to slip, which I've heard is a drawback to the Dodges, but other than that it's been a gem. Only regular maintenance has been needed. My best friend had a Ford diesel and she had a lot of problems with it and recently sold it. I never felt it was ever "healthy"- it always took a few seconds before it finally kicked over to start, where mine starts right up (year & mileages were similar).

        But that's only 2 examples; I'm not sure if I would generalize based on that. But I'd get another Dodge if I had the option.

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        • #5
          Have both and choose both for different reasons. All of my trucks (Dodge and Ford) have about $50,000 of aftermarket performance work done to them. All tow great, ride and drive great. I love my Dodges as they get 20+ MPG around town, and I get about 18-20 MPG towing. She starts up every day and runs good. My Fords don't get as great gas mileage, but the transmissions in Fords are better designed than a Dodge transmission for an engine under 500HP. I have owned Fords that I have swapped Cummins into and I have left the Ford tranny, it's just that good (SURPRISE!). My 2010 350 had some issues with the transmission, and the bucking issues read about can be solved. (Long story short, it has to do with the way the case load is distributed. When in cruise control your case load is different than when just toddling around). I recommend both Fords and Dodges, I've never had good luck with a GM product but that's just me.

          The Cummins diesel has been extremely reliable and always honest with me as a mechanic. Ford has gone through it's ups and downs with engines, due mostly to them having to update every engine for the newer emissions standards. With the correct, minimal modifications you can have a beautiful running 6.4L. I've worked on quite a few and most have well over 100,000k on them and they're running strong. DPF and EGR delete kits help. Tranny issues are more on a personal basis. Changes every time.

          Is your truck still under warranty (guessing not). What seems to be the issues?

          My trucks in the past year:

          2001 2500 Cummins with 170k
          2006 F-250 6.0L with 65k
          2010 F-350 6.4L with 20k
          2003 3500 Cummins with 123k

          They've all had their minor ups and downs, but they've all be reliable and start up every day. I have done both major and minor performance work that have helped them all. Always willing to share
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          • #6
            F350 2008 job #3. 91,000 miles. Best truck I ever had.

            6.7 is a better truck. The Ford engine is far superior to the International.

            I don't have a 6.7 but I am getting the urge.

            I regularly tow a 4 horse Sundowner.

            Many who complain don't tell you that they have a tuner.

            The 6.0 was no good, but that should not rule out Ford in your future.

            CSSJR

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            • #7
              I am not an expert(I leave the truck stuff to the DH or my mechanic I admit....I am learning slowly.....), but for what it is worth, I have a 2001 dodge 2500 diesel (turbo) with over 100k miles (don't remember how many exactly sorry). It has pulled a four horse (gooseneck of course) circle J with extra tack room and did great, but usually I would pull a 3 horse goose neck slant load "stock" type converted for horses. It pulled that with ease, even up some pretty good sized hills and did great keeping up on our 75mph interstate as well as little back roads (Colorado hauling haha). Both the trailers I was using were borrowed as I do not have my own yet. I plan on getting a Gooseneck 3 horse...haven't gotten to many more specifics than that since the truck seems to be fine with whatever. It currently is unfortunately having to do some city driving until we get another car for my DH to drive to work, and it hasn't had any issues even with quite a lot of extra driving.

              My sister has a Dodge 3500 diesel and one discovery she made is that sometimes what is said to be transmission slip is actually caused by dirty battery terminals. She thought she was starting to have transmission issues, cleaned her battery terminals on both batteries and hers is now going perfectly. I know that is not the case in all situations, but worth knowing I suppose.
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              • #8
                2008 Ford F350 6.4 Job 3 with 16.6K miles on it. Most of the miles are towing ~10,000 lbs. I have had one sensor fail. Beyond that I absolutely love this truck.

                I traded in a 7.3L F350 that had developed the death wobbles (wobbles was an understatement!). Thought I would really miss that truck but honestly I've never looked back.

                Love, love, love my truck. The power. The comfort. Ahh....bliss.

                ETA: I thought we would actually end up with a GMC when we bought the '08. I read a bunch of on-line reviews and the GMC/Chevy was usually top-rated with the Ford a close second except in one case where they were flip-flopped. Dodge for 08 was way behind the pack. Then my husband test drove them and he didn't like the feel of the GMC (he actually went back and drove it twice as our neighbor is a GMC salesman and we wanted to give him the business). So Ford it was. Make sure you test drive them and see what you like.

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                • #9
                  Wouldn't a 2010 still be under warranty? A bit confused on that one.

                  For more details on how to sweeten the 6.4L, I'd go to a diesel forum like www.ford-trucks.com (not affiliated with Ford). You couldn't pay me to own a Dodge, even though I like their engine, but I'm driving a 7.3L Ford so I can't help you much with your 2010, sorry. :-(
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                  • #10
                    Been a year since we sold our 96 Ford F250 with the 7.3 engine and bought a new 09 Dodge 2500 closeout. Love the new truck, hauls like a dream. I sold my 3h bumper pull trailer and now have a 3h gooseneck. Great combo. We also tow a 28ft fifth wheel travel trailer, again, great combo.

                    No comparison in power with the new Dodge. We liked the old truck, really missed it until I got the new one. We have a manual tranny in the Dodge, it is a towing machine.

                    We have always been Ford people, but are very happy with the Dodge.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by sharri13 View Post
                      (and the dealer will not stand behind the truck).
                      Aww, don't worry, just wait until he is out in the parking lot, keep him centered between those trailer mirrors, slam it in reverse and step on it. Eventually you'll get him

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                      • #12
                        Have owned both Ford's and currently own Dodge's. Had tranny problems with 2002 Ford F350 while on major trip out west with 30 ft Kiefer LQ and ended up test driving both new 2005 Ford and Dodge 3500. Dodge blew Ford away, both were manual trannys (after loosing AT in the mountains took recommendations of friends to have MT for towing) and Dodge was hill climbing in 4th and 5th gear that I was having to downshift to get Ford go up. Have over 100K miles on my 2005 Dodge now, dually crew cab 4 wheel drive, have had only minor maintenance on it. Will probabaly drive it till the wheels fall off. DH has 2006 Dodge that has had some issues but all have been covered by warrenty. We also have over 100K on it. Both pull the 30 ft LQ and just about anything else we have, bumper pull, stock and equptment trailers. We have put Jake brakes on both as we have travelled and still want to travel out West (ID, MT, WY and horseback ride/camp in some mountainous area.
                        DH used to sell Fords and he traded his F350 diesel for his Dodge and has been very happy with it.

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                          #13
                          Yes, the truck is well within warranty. We also purchased the extended warranty. There are less then 6,000 miles on the truck.
                          Our issue is that the dealer will not release their sole diesel specialist for a day of driving because he has too much work to get done. A family friend, who is also an attorney, says that this indicates that they are not standing behind their warranty/not willing to service the warranty. Hence, our letter to Ford explaining the situation with the truck issue and the dealership, and requesting a response within 2 weeks of receipt of the certified letter - pending contact by our attorney.
                          This is all very disappointing.
                          Last edited by sharri13; Dec. 30, 2010, 09:03 AM.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by sharri13 View Post
                            Yes, the truck is well within warranty. We also purchased the extended warranty.
                            Our issue is that the dealer will not release their sole diesel specialist for a day of driving because he has too much work to get done. A family friend, who is also an attorney, says that this indicates that they are not standing behind their warranty/not willing to service the warranty. Hence, our letter to Ford explaining the situation with the truck issue and the dealership, and requesting a response within 2 weeks of receipt of the certified letter - pending contact by our attorney.
                            This is all very disappointing.
                            I think Ford is up to its neck in 6.0/6.4 problems. That means dealers are, too. Not all of those businesses are created equal with respect to customer service, great support from Ford Motors or skill required to diagnose and fix the problem in your truck. You may be unhappy customer #XXXX...XX that they'd like to just go away.

                            Your attorney friend is right-- the dealership who won't do warrantee work because of a mechanic shortage is not your problem. But to me, it would also be a sign that you aren't dealing with the ideal dealership for a diesel. IMO, you want the one that troubleshoots and actually *cures* the long-term ailments in the 6.0 and 6.4 engines all day, every day.

                            If you have to have this fight anyway, you might as well end up at the right dealership, no?
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by sketcher View Post
                              Aww, don't worry, just wait until he is out in the parking lot, keep him centered between those trailer mirrors, slam it in reverse and step on it. Eventually you'll get him
                              AHAHAHAHAHHAa*snork*HAHAHAHAHHAHAH
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                              • #16
                                The newer (2007-2010) Dodges have issues. Just google "Dodge diesel problems" and see. A friend of mine has one had it goes to the service dealer regularly for soot accumulation buildup.
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                                • #17
                                  Maybe this is a dumb question, but can you go to a different Ford dealership? The warranty is through Ford, not that dealer--or am I wrong.

                                  Sorry about your troubles.
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by TrotTrotPumpkn View Post
                                    Maybe this is a dumb question, but can you go to a different Ford dealership? The warranty is through Ford, not that dealer--or am I wrong.

                                    Sorry about your troubles.
                                    The short answer is "yes." The longer answer is that they may live in an area where all the Ford dealers are equally bad (kind of like where I am).

                                    G.
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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Guilherme View Post
                                      Go get a Chevy/GMC Duramax/Allison. It's a mature platform with all the issues pretty well known (particularly if you stay with an '10 or earlier.

                                      G.
                                      Ditto. I LOVE my Chevy Duramax diesel. Quieter than most diesels. Reliable -- which I need since I'm on the road solo most of the time.
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                                      • #20
                                        We also have a duramax diesel. I love this truck above all others and I've owned Fords and Dodges in the past.
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