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    So. Keeping in mind that SO and I work full time and are minimally handy. I’ve started collecting quotes for “turn key” barn builds (as opposed to me playing general contractor). On a whim, I requested quotes for my dream barn, 36x36 center aisle with a 12 ft overhang on one side, cupola, Dutch doors, pretty sliding aisle doors, hurricane rated, insulated roof from several large companies. MD Barnmaster, Morton, National Barn.

    Seems like this project is going to run $40k plus. Probably closer to 60k once it’s all said done and finished. Double ouch! I’m fairly certain that if I want to GC myself I can save some serious dollars, but that is going to cost me time (that I could spend earning more money at work) and probably a bunch of stress and pita factor, etc. At the end of the day, $60k will barely buy me a brand new dually. Sooo, thinking from that perspective this barn suddenly seems a lot more reasonable.

    Has anyone else said the heck with it and gone hog wild in the barn build? How do you feel about it now?

    Note this is for my private use only.

    #2
    Experience is a necessary evil. It's like good horsemanship - having the foresight to prevent a problem = making it look easy.
    The cue card kid just held up an empty cue card. For a minute there I thought I had lost my sense of humor. --- Red Skelton

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      #3
      Originally posted by pony grandma View Post
      Experience is a necessary evil. It's like good horsemanship - having the foresight to prevent a problem = making it look easy.
      Thank you. That makes a lot of sense!

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        #4
        Picking the site - drainage, sun/wind?, physical and utility access is so critical before adding the structure. Lots of threads here to research. Someone should assemble them in a sticky!
        The cue card kid just held up an empty cue card. For a minute there I thought I had lost my sense of humor. --- Red Skelton

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          #5
          Originally posted by pony grandma View Post
          Picking the site - drainage, sun/wind?, physical and utility access is so critical before adding the structure. Lots of threads here to research. Someone should assemble them in a sticky!

          A sticky would be nice! I’ve been reading tons of threads and they are very helpful. Sure are a lot of things to consider. I’m in a hot climate in a hurricane zone, no snow ever, so my needs are different than someone in Canada for sure. I think here, we need protection on the east side from hurricane winds and prefer peaks of roofs to run North and South so the roof isn’t taking full sun all the time.

          So much to consider! Hay storage, manure management, fencing materials, driveway access!

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            #6
            I also have a containment fence around 3/4 of the barn, we have one horse who opens stall latch doors, they have to be chained! That way if the back door is open for air no horse can escape out to the road. The containment fence also includes the arena/pasture accesses.
            The cue card kid just held up an empty cue card. For a minute there I thought I had lost my sense of humor. --- Red Skelton

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              #7
              Originally posted by pony grandma View Post
              I also have a containment fence around 3/4 of the barn, we have one horse who opens stall latch doors, they have to be chained! That way if the back door is open for air no horse can escape out to the road. The containment fence also includes the arena/pasture accesses.
              That’s quite smart. I’ll keep that in mind!

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                #8
                We have a neighbor who got sued big time when his draft horse got hit/and killed on the road, made for an even bigger impact the horse being so large. Happened in broad daylight right in front of the rural elementary school across the road.
                The cue card kid just held up an empty cue card. For a minute there I thought I had lost my sense of humor. --- Red Skelton

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by lenapesadie View Post
                  So. Keeping in mind that SO and I work full time and are minimally handy. I’ve started collecting quotes for “turn key” barn builds (as opposed to me playing general contractor). On a whim, I requested quotes for my dream barn, 36x36 center aisle with a 12 ft overhang on one side, cupola, Dutch doors, pretty sliding aisle doors, hurricane rated, insulated roof from several large companies. MD Barnmaster, Morton, National Barn.

                  Seems like this project is going to run $40k plus. Probably closer to 60k once it’s all said done and finished. Double ouch! I’m fairly certain that if I want to GC myself I can save some serious dollars, but that is going to cost me time (that I could spend earning more money at work) and probably a bunch of stress and pita factor, etc. At the end of the day, $60k will barely buy me a brand new dually. Sooo, thinking from that perspective this barn suddenly seems a lot more reasonable.

                  Has anyone else said the heck with it and gone hog wild in the barn build? How do you feel about it now?

                  Note this is for my private use only.
                  If you have not worked in construction, you may not know how little you know.

                  It probably will end costing you more to source materials than professionals pay.
                  Also, the better tradesmen, if you can find them, will cost you time while waiting for your work between other jobs.

                  The better builders have the better workers and the best system, which in the end pays in quality and quick work.

                  Building anything is an exercise in frustration, the best lined up job will still have things that didn't work quite right, didn't get done in time and slow everyone else, the wrong materials were delivered, someone misread a page in the plans, etc.

                  After you have build once, I doubt you would consider being your own GC and hope to save some money.

                  I vote for letting a builder do the building.

                  Also would say, have a shell built and put in there portable stalls, so if needs change all can be altered easily.
                  Life has a way to change our needs, portable is your friend.

                  If you go that route, you can add portable stalls yourself easily.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Bluey View Post

                    If you have not worked in construction, you may not know how little you know.

                    It probably will end costing you more to source materials than professionals pay.
                    Also, the better tradesmen, if you can find them, will cost you time while waiting for your work between other jobs.

                    The better builders have the better workers and the best system, which in the end pays in quality and quick work.

                    Building anything is an exercise in frustration, the best lined up job will still have things that didn't work quite right, didn't get done in time and slow everyone else, the wrong materials were delivered, someone misread a page in the plans, etc.

                    After you have build once, I doubt you would consider being your own GC and hope to save some money.

                    I vote for letting a builder do the building.

                    Also would say, have a shell built and put in there portable stalls, so if needs change all can be altered easily.
                    Life has a way to change our needs, portable is your friend.

                    If you go that route, you can add portable stalls yourself easily.
                    That’s exactly why I got these quotes. Surely I will make every rookie error possible if I attempt to GC myself. Granted my dad is a GC and could probably help me avoid some errors, but he’s busy running his business too!

                    These companies that are solely in the business of building barns know a lot more than me about the process!

                    Yes to the shell! My official quotes are for just that. I’d have them do the aisle doors and Dutch doors, but I can source stall kits and tack room kit (surely such a thing exists?) myself. Probably putting those together will be enough of a stretch of my handyman abilities!

                    Thanks for your thoughts! Much appreciated!


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                      #11
                      I strongly recommend you having a talk with Morton's, the barn builders. They build very good barns, can put in any kind of the details you could wish for, using their own stalls, or other brands. They have the BEST guarantee on materials, workmanship, of any barn company, and they are nationwide. If any issue develops, call them to fix it. They even come fix barns if you purchased a property with a Morton building on it!

                      They use their own steel, manufactured and painted to their specs. They are more expensive, but worth it for the extended xervice provided. With so much experience, they know drainage, wind forces, perhaps making a raised layer under the building for flooding issues on the property, drainage. They have choices in cupolas or can fabricate what you want. Cupolas that can WORK in hot locations, not just decorative.

                      You might want to discuss your barn design, not be locked into what you think you want. Again, they have done many designs, might have some useful suggestions you can use. From my experience, you may want to add some size to the footprint you have, maybe add wall height. We also had a "perfect" design, a space for everything. My BIL the barn builder said we should make it bigger. If we could fill the space now, it was too small for the future needs. We added 20ft in length, but wish we had gone with 14ft walls instead of only 12ft. Could have stacked the hay higher to get more in. The 20 ft length is full of hay and daily-drive carriages. Our favorite discipline changed from all riding to mostly driving these days. We have more horses than I ever dreamed of owning, needed more stalls! We have added on the barn side twice, to gain trailer, truck, tractor and carriage storage. We are planning to build another barn for the hay making equipment we purchased to put up our own hay. Can't leave it out in the weather and expect it to work well.

                      So definately, add some more footage to your design! Not sure what other "fancy" ideas you have in mind. A perimeter fence is a great suggestion, just make sure the main gate is kept closed! Fence won't help if gate is commonly left open.

                      Which brings to mind, you want a wide, SOLID driveway to handle trucks and trailers, a firetruck, trying to get to the barn. Straight is best. Going for heaviest, firetruck can weigh 100,000 pounds around here, very wide. Getting it stuck in the driveway will block any help getting in. A gravel truck with fill is also really heavy, hay wagons or big horse trailers, so a good base under the drive is essential The good driveway probably should be your first step towards building the new barn. A wide pad area in front of the barn so you can drive a BIG circle to turn around makes life a lot easier. That big pad can also work as a long lining area, small ring, if your other footing is too wet to use! We use our pad area a lot in winter for long lining.

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                        #12
                        I’m in a hurricane area like you too but most of what we get here is tornadoes. I got a lot of grief from my boyfriend about what I was spending on the barn. He looked at the plans, saw the wind ratings & changed his tune.

                        With all the rain here it’s taking forever for us to get fencing done. We both work full time so doing things in the evening doesn’t work. He was off for a month because of covid & during that time got the water & electric done. I still need to level stalls & put in mats. Morton had my barn done in a little over a week. It’s 36x36, 2 stalls with Dutch doors, a cupola & I had them do the concrete. I didn’t do insulation, maybe just the roof in the future. It’s usually pretty breezy here & if not the barn is comfortable with the doors open & the cupola fan running.

                        Get what you want & don’t settle. I didn’t need fancy stalls. We’re also in the middle of nowhere so it was less hassle to have the builder do it than to do the work ourselves & be gouged on shipping. Everything else we are doing ourselves. Do shop around. I was going to order mats & lights until my quote was $5500 for 2 mats & 4 light fixtures with shipping. Shipping was $1500 out of that. I found mats & different lights from the same manufacturer elsewhere & saved about $3000.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by lenapesadie View Post
                          So. Keeping in mind that SO and I work full time and are minimally handy. I’ve started collecting quotes for “turn key” barn builds (as opposed to me playing general contractor). On a whim, I requested quotes for my dream barn, 36x36 center aisle with a 12 ft overhang on one side, cupola, Dutch doors, pretty sliding aisle doors, hurricane rated, insulated roof from several large companies. MD Barnmaster, Morton, National Barn.

                          Seems like this project is going to run $40k plus. Probably closer to 60k once it’s all said done and finished. Double ouch! I’m fairly certain that if I want to GC myself I can save some serious dollars, but that is going to cost me time (that I could spend earning more money at work) and probably a bunch of stress and pita factor, etc. At the end of the day, $60k will barely buy me a brand new dually. Sooo, thinking from that perspective this barn suddenly seems a lot more reasonable.

                          Has anyone else said the heck with it and gone hog wild in the barn build? How do you feel about it now?

                          Note this is for my private use only.
                          I donno, I think $40-60k for a 36x36 barn with the features you mention seems like a steal I feel like I see the prefab buildings from Horizon et al going for more than that. But then, it's not my $

                          To answer your Q about to GC or not, I would say not unless it is something you are very knowledgeable about. Pay the experts to be the experts- will likely save you time, headaches, and possibly even $ as they will have far more connections for materials and trustworthy sub-contractors than you. Good luck!

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                            #14
                            She's Pure Gold it may not be too far off, I called Barnmaster/MD to ask about how much mine cost (materials) when I refinanced my property and it was somewhere around $29k I think for the kit and shipping, I added the cost of the concrete and went with that because labor would never get factored into a barn for a refi. So it may not be far off. FWIW, my barn is a 36x36 center aisle with four stalls, one on one side and three on the other. However I then emailed asking for a quote for a shedrow barn and it was $26k for kit, shipping, engineering, and install (site had to be prepped already), so it makes me question my price on my current barn.
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                              #15
                              To the OP, I vote let them do all the work. Subcontracting sorta sucks.
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                                #16
                                See if you have a large animal rescue group in your area (rescue like my horse is stuck in a pond, not like my horse is too skinny). They will probably be happy to do outreach and talk with you about making your barn safe. Stuff like making it fire truck accessible, etc.

                                I went to a seminar once and they convinced me of the importance of outside stall doors.

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by goodhors View Post
                                  I strongly recommend you having a talk with Morton's, the barn builders. They build very good barns, can put in any kind of the details you could wish for, using their own stalls, or other brands. They have the BEST guarantee on materials, workmanship, of any barn company, and they are nationwide. If any issue develops, call them to fix it. They even come fix barns if you purchased a property with a Morton building on it!

                                  They use their own steel, manufactured and painted to their specs. They are more expensive, but worth it for the extended xervice provided. With so much experience, they know drainage, wind forces, perhaps making a raised layer under the building for flooding issues on the property, drainage. They have choices in cupolas or can fabricate what you want. Cupolas that can WORK in hot locations, not just decorative.

                                  You might want to discuss your barn design, not be locked into what you think you want. Again, they have done many designs, might have some useful suggestions you can use. From my experience, you may want to add some size to the footprint you have, maybe add wall height. We also had a "perfect" design, a space for everything. My BIL the barn builder said we should make it bigger. If we could fill the space now, it was too small for the future needs. We added 20ft in length, but wish we had gone with 14ft walls instead of only 12ft. Could have stacked the hay higher to get more in. The 20 ft length is full of hay and daily-drive carriages. Our favorite discipline changed from all riding to mostly driving these days. We have more horses than I ever dreamed of owning, needed more stalls! We have added on the barn side twice, to gain trailer, truck, tractor and carriage storage. We are planning to build another barn for the hay making equipment we purchased to put up our own hay. Can't leave it out in the weather and expect it to work well.

                                  So definately, add some more footage to your design! Not sure what other "fancy" ideas you have in mind. A perimeter fence is a great suggestion, just make sure the main gate is kept closed! Fence won't help if gate is commonly left open.

                                  Which brings to mind, you want a wide, SOLID driveway to handle trucks and trailers, a firetruck, trying to get to the barn. Straight is best. Going for heaviest, firetruck can weigh 100,000 pounds around here, very wide. Getting it stuck in the driveway will block any help getting in. A gravel truck with fill is also really heavy, hay wagons or big horse trailers, so a good base under the drive is essential The good driveway probably should be your first step towards building the new barn. A wide pad area in front of the barn so you can drive a BIG circle to turn around makes life a lot easier. That big pad can also work as a long lining area, small ring, if your other footing is too wet to use! We use our pad area a lot in winter for long lining.
                                  I’m pretty sure I read some of your responses to old threads. I recognize the carriages comment Originally, I was considering a smaller size, but took your thoughts to heart and sized up a fair bit! No doubt I’ll appreciate the space!

                                  Most likely my idea of fancy is “not obviously cobbled together from recycled materials” lol.

                                  The turn around is tricksy. This is a very small property. The best solution I’ve come up with so far is like a T. If I had a bit more room I’ve always thought a circle drive around a round pen was a good use of space! Good news is that barn sites are all relatively close to paved road access. I am committed to providing good access for emergency vehicles. Having the fire dept out to help with that is on the to do list.

                                  Perimeter fencing is also a bit tricky due to layout of the house and it’s driveway, but I believe I can get it sorted. I certainly don’t want any horses in the road!!!!

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                                    #18
                                    goodhors I am still waiting on my Morton quote!

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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Living In The Sticks View Post
                                      I’m in a hurricane area like you too but most of what we get here is tornadoes. I got a lot of grief from my boyfriend about what I was spending on the barn. He looked at the plans, saw the wind ratings & changed his tune.

                                      With all the rain here it’s taking forever for us to get fencing done. We both work full time so doing things in the evening doesn’t work. He was off for a month because of covid & during that time got the water & electric done. I still need to level stalls & put in mats. Morton had my barn done in a little over a week. It’s 36x36, 2 stalls with Dutch doors, a cupola & I had them do the concrete. I didn’t do insulation, maybe just the roof in the future. It’s usually pretty breezy here & if not the barn is comfortable with the doors open & the cupola fan running.

                                      Get what you want & don’t settle. I didn’t need fancy stalls. We’re also in the middle of nowhere so it was less hassle to have the builder do it than to do the work ourselves & be gouged on shipping. Everything else we are doing ourselves. Do shop around. I was going to order mats & lights until my quote was $5500 for 2 mats & 4 light fixtures with shipping. Shipping was $1500 out of that. I found mats & different lights from the same manufacturer elsewhere & saved about $3000.
                                      Wind ratings are a big deal! My boyfriend is also giving a bit of grief, but he’ll settle down

                                      Do you have slider doors or roll up doors on your aisle? I’m more familiar with wind rated roll up doors and worry that might be a better choice than sliders.

                                      It would be fantastic if I could get the builder to do the concrete too. I’ll check into that!

                                      Shopping around is a big deal!

                                      Best of luck with your fencing and thanks for your thought

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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by She's Pure Gold View Post

                                        I donno, I think $40-60k for a 36x36 barn with the features you mention seems like a steal I feel like I see the prefab buildings from Horizon et al going for more than that. But then, it's not my $

                                        To answer your Q about to GC or not, I would say not unless it is something you are very knowledgeable about. Pay the experts to be the experts- will likely save you time, headaches, and possibly even $ as they will have far more connections for materials and trustworthy sub-contractors than you. Good luck!
                                        Well, I won’t be getting an inside wash rack, so that’s kind of a spendy option I didn’t include. Also only 3 Dutch doors, as I’m only planning on three stalls. My quote is actually under $40k but doesn’t include stalls. I haven’t got my Morton quote yet and I’m thinking they will be a bit more expensive.

                                        Thanks for helping! I’m glad I don’t sound silly to want to pay someone to do this!

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