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    Hi All -

    I know this topic is constantly addressed in the forum but I'm looking for specifics and hoping you guys can help as I have been unable to find great info on the web or my usual go to of YouTube.

    We just bought a little over 10 acres and we'd would like to throw in a outdoor area with dimensions of somewhere around 200x120. Wife is a jumper and brings up young horses through the levels. Land is flat and have seen it through some good storms and drainage doesn't seem to be a huge problem as I have yet to see standing water. I've read we want to get the land excavated and crowned at between 1 and 2% let it sit for a while then add a base but not even sure how to get started or how to describe to excavation contractors what I'm looking for when I give them a call.

    Can anyone outline a step by step process of what I need to get done and what exactly to ask excavations contractors when having them bid? Trying to do this at a reasonable cost.

    Thanks!

    #2
    USDF has a booklet titled "Underfoot"

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      #3
      Originally posted by jherold View Post
      USDF has a booklet titled "Underfoot"
      Thanks - Actually just got it in the mail. It is substantially better info than I was able to find online.

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        #4
        If you do not have standing water after rain. I am worried for you that you are on sand.

        Sand is lethal to horses.

        To be honest if on sand sell the 10 acres and buy on non sand, before spending any more money. It will save heartache in the long run.

        We did this. I did not realise that it was sand when I bought it. There were stables. There was grass.

        No grass after she paced the fence and did not grow back. I managed the best I could. We bought a farm to move them to. We lost her before settlement. I still blame myself. I should have found out and never bought there. That was less than a year.
        It is better to ride 5 minutes a day than it is to ride 35 minutes on a Sunday.

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          #5
          Excavating, putting your base down and then waiting a year to put down your footing seems to be the most common way to go in my area.

          Illinois' climate varies so much from north to south, but sand would not be common. There is a lot of well draining farmland in the state.

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            Originally posted by SuzieQNutter View Post
            If you do not have standing water after rain. I am worried for you that you are on sand.

            Sand is lethal to horses.

            To be honest if on sand sell the 10 acres and buy on non sand, before spending any more money. It will save heartache in the long run.

            We did this. I did not realise that it was sand when I bought it. There were stables. There was grass.

            No grass after she paced the fence and did not grow back. I managed the best I could. We bought a farm to move them to. We lost her before settlement. I still blame myself. I should have found out and never bought there. That was less than a year.
            This is a little melodramatic. Lots of horses live on sand without dying. I don't know that it is reasonable to tell a new farm owner to sell and move elsewhere.

            OP: I have clay and don't usually see standing water on my flat pastures unless we get a deluge, and even then it will seep in. But that is not any indication of what is underneath. Many excavators and contractors will know your area and know what kind of soil you are on before they even set foot on your property. Definitely ask other horse farms for references.

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              #7
              I live on a dune in Michigan. Drainage is fantastic! There are tens of thousands of horses living on the west coast of Michigan. Melodramatic much? "Underfoot" is the Bible of footing, good luck!

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                Originally posted by SuzieQNutter View Post
                If you do not have standing water after rain. I am worried for you that you are on sand.

                Sand is lethal to horses.

                To be honest if on sand sell the 10 acres and buy on non sand, before spending any more money. It will save heartache in the long run.

                We did this. I did not realise that it was sand when I bought it. There were stables. There was grass.

                No grass after she paced the fence and did not grow back. I managed the best I could. We bought a farm to move them to. We lost her before settlement. I still blame myself. I should have found out and never bought there. That was less than a year.
                I'm formerly from Illinois and now live in Central Florida which is almost all sand. While I don't have experience building an arena in IL (just rehabbing in FL) I can reassure you regarding the sand "issue". My paddocks are a strange sand/dirt mixture and I previously boarded at a facility where the horses were on sand dry lots during the day. On the sand lots I had one colic and that was from dehydration after the temperatures dropped and my mare decided drinking didn't need to happen. All the other horses (around 30 head) did just fine with no issues.

                If you think sand may be an issue then I would recommend psyllium purges monthly. All I do is give each horse about half a cup of psyllium every evening with their feed for the first week of each month and they're good to go! My hay is fed in the stalls (dirt/sand floor under shavings) on mats but the round bales are on pallets on top of mats over the naturally sandy spots. Psyllium is one of those things that vets down here disagree on if it works or not but it's a cheap solution that eases my mind. As always the best thing is ensuring there is plenty of hay and fresh water as the hay will help "push" any sand out of the digestive system and as we all know water is extremely important in preventing colic. At one point everyone was also on daily beet pulp which has been thought to help, but with air plant ponies this had to get cut as they got fat quickly.

                As I search for a horse property back in the IL/WI area I don't honestly worry about getting a property with sand. I'm more concerned about properties that don't drain or have evidence of being a garbage dump at some point. I'll take sand paddocks over pulling out chunks of broken glass or metal from the ground any day!

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                  I would search for arena contractors in your area, interview a ton of them, and get a lot of reviews.

                  If the land sits high and drains well that's half the battle. My outdoor is in a terrible location but it was built right and done before we bought it and we can't afford to move it.

                  It also depends on what you can do yourself. A lot of the cost is going to be stripping off the grass and making it level. Then you compact, add base, compact, add footing.

                  We got our base leveled and then I rode on it a bit until it compacted itself when it rained several times. Then I watched to make sure it drained and then added sand.

                  My contractor was fanatical about getting it perfect, but as it's mostly just me we budgeted for "mostly perfect" It holds some puddles but they are gone in 24 hours, and the base is good enough to ride in after a hard rain.
                  http://weanieeventer.blogspot.com/

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                    Originally posted by enjoytheride View Post
                    I would search for arena contractors in your area, interview a ton of them, and get a lot of reviews.

                    If the land sits high and drains well that's half the battle. My outdoor is in a terrible location but it was built right and done before we bought it and we can't afford to move it.

                    It also depends on what you can do yourself. A lot of the cost is going to be stripping off the grass and making it level. Then you compact, add base, compact, add footing.

                    We got our base leveled and then I rode on it a bit until it compacted itself when it rained several times. Then I watched to make sure it drained and then added sand.

                    My contractor was fanatical about getting it perfect, but as it's mostly just me we budgeted for "mostly perfect" It holds some puddles but they are gone in 24 hours, and the base is good enough to ride in after a hard rain.
                    I see your in Indiana - Any chance you're in the Northwest part of the state. Would love to get the name of your contractor. I'm pretty close to the border.

                    Also, not worried about sand at all - Definitely not an issue in my area.

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                      Originally posted by Horsehusband View Post

                      I see your in Indiana - Any chance you're in the Northwest part of the state. Would love to get the name of your contractor. I'm pretty close to the border.

                      Also, not worried about sand at all - Definitely not an issue in my area.
                      So my arena existed just needed leveled and repaired. I actually used a guy that usually does roads and some arenas employed by a friend of mine who owns a gravel yard. He doesn't travel that far. Basically he brought in some loads and levelled it for me. We ran out of money so we let the rain compact it and then we added sand. It worked great because he knew what horse people wanted thanks to his boss, and his experience building driveways and roads helped.

                      In general you would pack your dirt, use 6 inches of "dusty 12" which is limestone fines and dust (the fines hold the dust together) then use sand. If you need more drainage you might need drain tiles and some larger rock.

                      There are several types of sand. You need to be specific about what you want, and if you use an additive or not. Some additives require different types of sand.
                      http://weanieeventer.blogspot.com/

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                        Originally posted by SuzieQNutter View Post
                        If you do not have standing water after rain. I am worried for you that you are on sand.

                        Sand is lethal to horses.

                        To be honest if on sand sell the 10 acres and buy on non sand, before spending any more money. It will save heartache in the long run.

                        We did this. I did not realise that it was sand when I bought it. There were stables. There was grass.

                        No grass after she paced the fence and did not grow back. I managed the best I could. We bought a farm to move them to. We lost her before settlement. I still blame myself. I should have found out and never bought there. That was less than a year.
                        Uh what?
                        So do you think that horses are just constantly dropping dead in places like Florida (with huge horse populations in cities like Ocala and Wellington), Texas, Arizona, etc.?

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                          that was a head scratcher of a post for sure....sell ? beware of sand? Sand is a well manageable soil, as long as you know what you have. you have to work with your soil no matter where you are or what characteristic. If what you meant was horse injested sand? there are feed thrus for that. managing horses includes managing pacing a fenceline.... if it wasn't sand and a clay type you would have had mud for miles. anyway. Just didn't understand the SAND? SAND? SELL THE PROPERTY.
                          ayrabz
                          "Indecision may or may not be my problem"
                          --Jimmy Buffett

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Horsehusband View Post

                            I see your in Indiana - Any chance you're in the Northwest part of the state. Would love to get the name of your contractor. I'm pretty close to the border.

                            Also, not worried about sand at all - Definitely not an issue in my area.
                            PM me, I am in NW IN & the excavator who did my barn & indoor was very exacting about the grade of sand for the indoor.
                            He actually brought me a sample bucket from the indoor of a friend of his who had horses to approve.
                            16yrs later I have no problems with the footing.
                            He also did the excavation & base for my barn & indoor as well as creating a mudfree sacrifice area for me some years after the initial work.

                            Caveat: he hasn't done any work for me for ~5yrs, but has quoted for friends nearby in the last couple years, so still working AFAIK.
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