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    Which type of barn would you go with

    I created a poll so people can just click their opinion.

    My husband and I are drawing up our plans to begin building our new barn. It is a shared barn- there is no getting around that, so please no comments about how you would never share a barn. If the barn is not shared, it is 100% for my husband as it is partially grant funded for our working farm. He offered to make it larger than the grant pays for so that I can have an opportunity to have horses at home. We already have many buildings on our property, so no additional barns will be going up due to taxes. His side will not have any flammable or unsafe chemical items. It is storage for our grape harvester and selling trees. The general public will be on his half on weekends for 2 months of the year.

    Anyway

    As we are drawing up our plans, we are torn over two different builds and I am looking for opinions and any positives/negatives you can think of for each design. Both include a barn height of at least 16' to accommodate the harvester with a hay loft over half.

    Design #1- 40x80 split in half, so I would have a 40x40 barn. This would allow for 4 12x12 stalls with run outs, 12x12 tack/feed and either a grooming stall or downstairs hay/shavings storage. If we used this design, I would like the area totally closed off with a sliding door separating the sides. The hay loft would be above my side. The main con for this version is that the barn would have to be on the far side, so I would have to walk through my husbands section or walk around (the barn is already going to be about 250 ft away from our house)

    Design #2- make the build narrower (32 ish) x60. He would have that whole area (still a hayloft over half), then we would build a lean to off the side for me that would include 5 12x12 spaces. I would most likely still do 4 stalls and then have a tack/feed room. I don't hate this idea, but I am not quite sure how we could have a 22-24' lean to off the side of a 32x60 building. I am not willing to make the stalls smaller than 12x12 and I won't have less than a 10' walkway. We are in the NE, so just having the stalls open to the outside without a walkway is not possible (well, I guess it is possible, but it would suck!).

    If you have any better ideas (that, again, do not involve two separate barns) please share them!
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    #2
    My only comment is think about turnout situations with each design. I love that my stalls open to paddocks, then to pastures. Many options for arranging horses and very simple for turnout and bringing in. Also think about other day to day needs, for example where will water be, how does farrier get access, etc. I'm in the south so ventilation is very important, that might not be your situation.

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      #3
      Originally posted by suzyq View Post
      My only comment is think about turnout situations with each design. I love that my stalls open to paddocks, then to pastures. Many options for arranging horses and very simple for turnout and bringing in. Also think about other day to day needs, for example where will water be, how does farrier get access, etc. I'm in the south so ventilation is very important, that might not be your situation.
      Yes, in both situations the stalls will have run-outs that open into one area that is about 1 acre. I have also set aside an additional 2 acre lot that will be attached to an 75x140ish outdoor ring, but that is by my house, 250 ft away.

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        #4
        Walking around isn't so bad, and it sounds like that would also create a situation where the general public would be less likely to end up in your territory.
        I would say, think about how you would load and unload tack and equipment, or have the vet or farrier out, so that you can get a vehicle to your side that doesn't involve walking through your husband's side, if possible. Consider that any of those things might need to happen while your husband's side is busy. You might want your dividing sliding door to be lockable for those times.

        In general, I love barns with excellent ventilation, lots of roof overhang, and site prep that moves water away from the building and gives you firm year-round pathways that will stand up to hooves. Having a covered grooming area that you can use next to your tack room without going out into the sun or rain or snow makes life with horses much nicer.
        If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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          #5
          For anyone interested, these are the land layouts. Keeping in mind that I am not proficient so it is not exact. The area next to the house stays the same regardless, and I am not 100% sure where the arena is going to go yet, but it is in that area.

          The purple/blue is the barn, the orange are the runouts, green is enclosed paddock/pasture area. I also wrote "poop" where we will be putting the poop, if we are unable to spread that day due to weather, etc.

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            #6
            I don't think walking thru is a bad idea, you can say hi to the honey and mosey on thru. Walking around may be difficult if you have run outs, unless you install people gates or those angled narrow walk-thrus to slide through. My only concern is how the farrier and vet are going to get close on your end? I'm picturing, what, three stalls on one side and one on another, and they open to a pasture? Are you planning a side door on the side with only one stall, for them to back to? Would also facilitate feed and hay delivery. Speaking of hay, how are you getting it into (and out of) the loft? A hay elevator with side entrance to the loft?
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              #7
              I have trouble visualizing the two designs.

              But having experienced some spectacularly inconvenient stables, and some very nicely laid out ones, I'd say the following.

              You want your half as compact as possible, and as physically separated as possible from anything open to the public. At the same time you need good access for hay delivery and farrier and vet, and the most direct path to the house. So you want a driveway around to your side (could be incorporated into runouts when not needed). And you probably need a door through from his side to your side. One that locks on his side at least.

              You need your side as physically self contained as possible with water, electric, drains, washrack, etc all on your side so once you get there you can stay there. Maybe consider a fridge and kettle as well!

              If it's two months of weekends, that's actually only 8 weekends or 16 days in the summer. Well, a few extra days for stat holidays! I expect the traffic will be predictable my guess being late morning to mid afternoon. You may find you do the horses early before the hordes descend or you just isolate yourself back there. I don't suppose the barn will run to actual flush toilets? Well, you can pee in a stall or set up a camping toilet if you don't want to trek back to the house.

              So it's not like you need to duck the public every day of the year. Of course if you have a 9 to 5 job the public will be there on your cherished weekend time! But I would build it with an eye to convenience and comfort in the winter and mud season in addition to summer traffic.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Scribbler View Post
                I have trouble visualizing the two designs.

                But having experienced some spectacularly inconvenient stables, and some very nicely laid out ones, I'd say the following.

                You want your half as compact as possible, and as physically separated as possible from anything open to the public. At the same time you need good access for hay delivery and farrier and vet, and the most direct path to the house. So you want a driveway around to your side (could be incorporated into runouts when not needed). And you probably need a door through from his side to your side. One that locks on his side at least.

                You need your side as physically self contained as possible with water, electric, drains, washrack, etc all on your side so once you get there you can stay there. Maybe consider a fridge and kettle as well!

                If it's two months of weekends, that's actually only 8 weekends or 16 days in the summer. Well, a few extra days for stat holidays! I expect the traffic will be predictable my guess being late morning to mid afternoon. You may find you do the horses early before the hordes descend or you just isolate yourself back there. I don't suppose the barn will run to actual flush toilets? Well, you can pee in a stall or set up a camping toilet if you don't want to trek back to the house.

                So it's not like you need to duck the public every day of the year. Of course if you have a 9 to 5 job the public will be there on your cherished weekend time! But I would build it with an eye to convenience and comfort in the winter and mud season in addition to summer traffic.

                I do have a 9-5, unfortunately. The public will be on our property Saturdays and Sundays Thanksgiving-Christmas. My plan would be to have my side locked up and hopefully have the horses on the 2 acres away from people as weather allows. Definitely trying to make it an independent entity with it's own water, electric, etc. Hopefully with it being cold people will be less likely to linger and won't attempt to go exploring.

                I didn't draw it on my little picture, but there are going to be doors on both sides of the barn so that a tractor can drive all the way through. Other than the few weeks of the year when we have wreaths/pre-cuts on his side, the building has to stay relatively empty with the ability to drive through(part of the grant) so it's not like it will become overwhelmed with his random crap blocking the way if we went with the 40x80 option.

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                  Originally posted by SFVine View Post


                  I do have a 9-5, unfortunately. The public will be on our property Saturdays and Sundays Thanksgiving-Christmas. My plan would be to have my side locked up and hopefully have the horses on the 2 acres away from people as weather allows. Definitely trying to make it an independent entity with it's own water, electric, etc. Hopefully with it being cold people will be less likely to linger and won't attempt to go exploring.

                  I didn't draw it on my little picture, but there are going to be doors on both sides of the barn so that a tractor can drive all the way through. Other than the few weeks of the year when we have wreaths/pre-cuts on his side, the building has to stay relatively empty with the ability to drive through(part of the grant) so it's not like it will become overwhelmed with his random crap blocking the way if we went with the 40x80 option.
                  Oh Christmas trees! I was imagining selling nursery plants in the summer! Ok, that's actually easier to deal with! But you can expect snow probably during that time, so you want the fastest way into the barn. Also consider a little space heater in a tack room to warm up if you can't face the hordes and the trudge back to the house. Unfortunately the days are much shorter so you will probably have to do the horses during peak early afternoon tree shopping hours.

                  I like the more square barn with your own lockable door in addition to a larger sliding barn door for off peak times or equipment.

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                    #10
                    Have you gotten any estimates for the two versions yet? Would the cost of one versus the other allow for more amenities for the horse facilities, perhaps? If the horses are kept on the backside (farther from the road and the public), they'll be less of an attractive nuisance, keeping in mind that you'll need farrier and vet access as mentioned by other posters.

                    I like your idea of a sliding door between the two spaces (and a separate door for when this is closed), and agree that lockable would be good.

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                      #11
                      The main dislike for me would be a hay loft for hay.

                      Just not sensible today, when you don't know what hay and/or how you will receive your hay.
                      How hay is put up keeps changing, big round or square bales, if in pallets, loose small bales, bigger bales, bale bundles, or even cubes/pellets that go in the feed room, don't need a loft?
                      Best to figure a way to keep hay where whatever kind, whoever brings it, is easily accessible for deliveries and, of course, close enough to where it is fed.
                      A loft restricts the hay used and the airflow in barns, plus causes hay dust in the barn.
                      It is also considered a fire accelerant, not good if in volume in a barn.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by TheJenners View Post
                        I don't think walking thru is a bad idea, you can say hi to the honey and mosey on thru. Walking around may be difficult if you have run outs, unless you install people gates or those angled narrow walk-thrus to slide through. My only concern is how the farrier and vet are going to get close on your end? I'm picturing, what, three stalls on one side and one on another, and they open to a pasture? Are you planning a side door on the side with only one stall, for them to back to? Would also facilitate feed and hay delivery. Speaking of hay, how are you getting it into (and out of) the loft? A hay elevator with side entrance to the loft?
                        I just drew a basic, lame picture to give everyone an idea of the 40x80 barn, I swear I am not 12, just obviously not an architect haha.



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                          #13
                          Hand drawing looks good.

                          I prefer stall doors be in the middle of the front wall, so leading a horse in and out gives room on both sides and keep a neighbor horse from threatening the approaching horse, but whatever works for the space and what everyone likes best of course comes first in their barn.

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                            OK so if I'm looking at this correctly... How do you leave with a horse to an arena, walk through your DH's side? So will hay and feed be delivered through it and the vet and farrier will be able to pull inside, or ? I guess that's my only confusion.
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Bluey View Post
                              The main dislike for me would be a hay loft for hay.

                              Just not sensible today, when you don't know what hay and/or how you will receive your hay.
                              How hay is put up keeps changing, big round or square bales, if in pallets, loose small bales, bigger bales, bale bundles, or even cubes/pellets that go in the feed room, don't need a loft?
                              Best to figure a way to keep hay where whatever kind, whoever brings it, is easily accessible for deliveries and, of course, close enough to where it is fed.
                              A loft restricts the hay used and the airflow in barns, plus causes hay dust in the barn.
                              It is also considered a fire accelerant, not good if in volume in a barn.
                              Hi! I own hay fields that our friend takes care of that we would get the hay off of. Fortunately we have a lot of control over how and when we get hay (mother nature is obviously actually in control!) We are not 100% sure if we are literally going to use the hay loft for hay (though I live in an area that most people have haylofts), or if we use it to have some additional Christmas activities, etc. It is more about making the building usable since it has to be so tall.

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by TheJenners View Post
                                OK so if I'm looking at this correctly... How do you leave with a horse to an arena, walk through your DH's side? So will hay and feed be delivered through it and the vet and farrier will be able to pull inside, or ? I guess that's my only confusion.
                                Yes, everything on our property is located away from my side of the barn, unfortunately, so that would be what the door on the side would be for. My plan would be to only have the sliding middle door closed during our selling times and at night, otherwise it would just be like an aisle. There will also be another door on the front end of the building so that a tractor could pull through all the way too.

                                What I could do is switch the tack room and grooming area, then put a sliding door?? I could just make stall 3's run out smaller!
                                Last edited by SFVine; Aug. 2, 2020, 01:19 PM. Reason: new idea

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                                  #17
                                  I keep horses (horse, pony, mini) pretty much as suzyq describes.

                                  36X36 center aisle pole barn, facing North/South with 2 12X12 & 1 10X12 stalls along the East wall.
                                  Dutch doors at the back of the stalls open to my sacrifice paddock. That opens on either side to pastures.
                                  Sliding doors for the big stalls open to 12' aisle, mini's stall has a 3' gate that swings in.
                                  Farrier & vet can back trucks from a 12' gate at the front of the paddock right up to the barn entrance - 12X16 sliding door.
                                  Trucks can also drive (carefully)down the aisle, hayguy does so pulling a loaded wagon.
                                  Where your barn would connect to the business side, mine connects - by another 12X16 slider - to my indoor

                                  I store a year's worth of hay - 300 40-50# small squares - on pallets on the West Wall of the barn.
                                  Hay takes up a space 24'Lx12'Dx10'H.
                                  I have room left for tack & feed areas on the rest of that wall - neither enclosed - as well as room to store the mini's wire cart.

                                  Since the business sharing space is seasonal, I would think you just need signage on the connecting door: Employees Only or some wording indicating public is not to enter past that door.
                                  If you get a garage-type overhead door, consider putting a service door alongside.

                                  If you put a shelter in your larger field, you can put horses there if you want.
                                  But if it is visible from the business entrance, it might become an "attractive nuisance" for customers.
                                  If you're at work, is anyone there to shoo off the Petting Zoo Looky Lous?
                                  If you're home, do you want that job?

                                  I have had strangers come in off the public road - 100' from my fenceline & including a 20'LX8'H berm - to "see the horses".
                                  TG, nobody has crossed the fenceline or gone into the pastures.... Yet?
                                  My horses are friendly & view people as potential Treat Dispensers, so will meander over from the far end of their large (2ac) field.
                                  No one has been bitten.... Yet?
                                  Things to consider.

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                                    #18
                                    Using the loft for hay is one thing. How you get the hay INTO the loft is another thing entirely. Will there be a door at the end of 'your end' of the barn? Can something that loads the hay drive up to it easily in all kinds of weather?

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                                      #19
                                      I like the first one, because you could split the .9 a.c. area into 2 or maybe even 3 paddocks and could separate horses if need be and horses have access to stall and paddock. I do this at nite, my donkey has stall/run only buy my horse has stall/run/pasture. But are you going to drive thru hubby area to deliver feed/shavings, etc? Will farrier/vet drive into hubby area? Or will there be a drive around to the back door?

                                      ETA I have overhangs over my stalls and love those. I think one side is 8 ft and one side 10 ft.

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                                        #20
                                        The other consideration that occurred to me was your weather, as you mentioned your location is the NE. In the depths of winter, for instance, would one design make it easier to care for your horses than the other? Give them more protection from the wind, or snow/ice accumulation, or make chores less onerous for you in difficult weather?

                                        As an example, our barn is oriented to ameliorate our own weather (overall warmer than yours) -- to catch the summer breezes, yet offer protection from the direction from whence the typical severe weather (thunderstorm with hail, for instance) comes.

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